Joe Toussaint

[unoHawkeye]

Joe is currently averaging a career high in minutes (1 more than his freshman year), and is shooting nearly 54% from the field (3rd best on the team), 57% from 3 (2nd best on the team), hasn’t missed a free throw, is averaging 4.3 assists (leads team, and is actually pretty ridiculous considering he only averages 18mpg) to 1.1 turnover per game, 1.6 steals per game to lead the team, and already had a game winning jumper.

If you want to dive deeper, his player efficiency rating, win shares/40, and BPM all have him as the third or fourth best player on this team

Joe is quietly becoming one of the best point guards in the Big Ten. He’s shooting with confidence, wreaking havoc defensively while cutting down on fouls, and his pocket and no look passes are leading to a ridiculous amount of open looks. Going back to his freshman year, Maryland guard Anthony Cowan (who was a stud) said that Toussaint was the most difficult player to defend in a Big Ten conference which also boasted veteran point guards Cassius Winston and Zavier Simpson. Cowan actually predicted that Toussaint (along with Rocket Watts - 1/2 ain’t bad) would eventually take over the Big Ten.

Because of great shooters/scorers in the Murray boys, Pat, and Bohannon, Toussaint hasn’t been in a position where he’s had to score more than a few buckets per game. However, when we’ve needed baskets late, in two games now it’s been Toussaint either knocking down a three or hitting a game winner. Fran didn’t like Toussaint’s take to the hoop late in the game last night where he left it short on a short jumper with Kris open in the corner. Yes, he probably should have kicked it out. However, Joe was also 3/3 at that point in time, and the look was a reasonably uncontested one. He was off balance, but that’s a shot that I don’t hate Toussaint taking at all.

Joe is one of a few reasons that Iowa is surpassing everybody’s (especially my) expectations this year. If he can keep up his play, this team can do just about anything

 

[LaoHawk]

Solid review, aqnd Joe is a stud but IA still needs Keegan or another playmaker to step up if IA wants to play the dark horse this year.

 

[Lighting Hawk]

This is an awesome post and gives me goosebumps about just how good Joe has been. If he can stay out of foul trouble his minutes will climb I assume. Ulis was pretty solid last night. I just can’t get over how good we looked in the second half, mainly the last 8 minutes or so.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Solid review, aqnd Joe is a stud but IA still needs Keegan or another playmaker to step up if IA wants to play the dark horse this year.

Well yeah, I don’t exactly think that Joe is ready to become senior year Cassius Winston. It’s going to have to be a team effort to make any sort of run. But I think Joe can be the guy to lead the backcourt on a team that does make one

 

[Bank of Hawk]

Joe might end up being one of the best stories from this team. He stuck it out, stayed loyal, kept improving and it’s paying off big time for this year and beyond. A lot of good life lessons for the young kid growing into a man.

Now it’ll be a shame if he can’t take more and more minutes away from Cmac

 

[Hawksfor3]

Really nice to see Defense the point of emphasis this year, and with Joe leading the way, we could be a headache for a number of so-called "Great" teams. He inspires the others to commit to D.

 

[CleteyColgate]

Solid review, aqnd Joe is a stud but IA still needs Keegan or another playmaker to step up if IA wants to play the dark horse this year.

Keegan needs to pick it up

 

[ObeseMuffins]

Hindsight is 20/20 but JT sitting almost all of the first half was crushing. I wonder if we could’ve kept their lead under 10 the entire game. There was an extended stretch in the first half we could’ve utilized his dribble penetration. He ended with three fouls.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

Joe is currently averaging a career high in minutes (1 more than his freshman year), and is shooting nearly 54% from the field (3rd best on the team), 57% from 3 (2nd best on the team), hasn’t missed a free throw, is averaging 4.3 assists (leads team, and is actually pretty ridiculous considering he only averages 18mpg) to 1.1 turnover per game, 1.6 steals per game to lead the team, and already had a game winning jumper.

If you want to dive deeper, his player efficiency rating, win shares/40, and BPM all have him as the third or fourth best player on this team

Joe is quietly becoming one of the best point guards in the Big Ten. He’s shooting with confidence, wreaking havoc defensively while cutting down on fouls, and his pocket and no look passes are leading to a ridiculous amount of open looks. Going back to his freshman year, Maryland guard Anthony Cowan (who was a stud) said that Toussaint was the most difficult player to defend in a Big Ten conference which also boasted veteran point guards Cassius Winston and Zavier Simpson. Cowan actually predicted that Toussaint (along with Rocket Watts - 1/2 ain’t bad) would eventually take over the Big Ten.

Because of great shooters/scorers in the Murray boys, Pat, and Bohannon, Toussaint hasn’t been in a position where he’s had to score more than a few buckets per game. However, when we’ve needed baskets late, in two games now it’s been Toussaint either knocking down a three or hitting a game winner. Fran didn’t like Toussaint’s take to the hoop late in the game last night where he left it short on a short jumper with Kris open in the corner. Yes, he probably should have kicked it out. However, Joe was also 3/3 at that point in time, and the look was a reasonably uncontested one. He was off balance, but that’s a shot that I don’t hate Toussaint taking at all.

Joe is one of a few reasons that Iowa is surpassing everybody’s (especially my) expectations this year. If he can keep up his play, this team can do just about anything

Love Joe T ! He is a Warrior out there !

 

[Mountain Man Hawk]

I’m just happy he’s finally under control consistently. I felt like he was a turnover waiting to happen when he was younger, I’m glad he’s finally settled down a bit .

 

[nbanflfactory]

The work Joe put in this off season is clear. If he can stay outta foul trouble should be a great season for him.

Imagine if he works just as hard for another year.

 

[BBHawk]

I’m just happy he’s finally under control consistently. I felt like he was a turnover waiting to happen when he was younger, I’m glad he’s finally settled down a bit .

He did marvelously against Purdue once he settled down, but he can still be erratic. Having Ulis is a luxury now because if Joe starts off too out of control, McC can sit him for a bit to let him get back into the right mindset.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Was always hoping that Joe would find the sweet spot of using his speed/quickness and avoid getting out of control.
He looks to have made a nice jump this season.

 

[hawkjt]

His absence in the 1st half really hurt the Hawks.
With him out there the team plays more confidently.
He needs to stay on the floor as much as possible.

 

[Mohawkeye]

It’s really fun to watch when players like him develop and turn into the player you thought they could be. He’s a leader and a spark in this team. He could always make plays, just not always under control.

Watching Joe, Perkins and Ulis in the second half running and playing defense, it struck me that we looked like one of those MSU, OSU or Purdue teams with quick and athletic guards that we’ve always been jealous of.

 

[Hawksfor3]

His absence in the 1st half really hurt the Hawks.
With him out there the team plays more confidently.
He needs to stay on the floor as much as possible.

He does need to stay out there. He's become the leader and catalyst for the offense.

 

[nbanflfactory]

@perryhawk
I see you on the bball board

 

[perryhawk]

It’s really fun to watch when players like him develop and turn into the player you thought they could be. He’s a leader and a spark in this team. He could always make plays, just not always under control.

Watching Joe, Perkins and Ulis in the second half running and playing defense, it struck me that we looked like one of those MSU, OSU or Purdue teams with quick and athletic guards that we’ve always been jealous of.

Watching these players develop is a lot of fun….most of this team falls in that category.

 

[SI_NYC]

Joe is currently averaging a career high in minutes (1 more than his freshman year), and is shooting nearly 54% from the field (3rd best on the team), 57% from 3 (2nd best on the team), hasn’t missed a free throw, is averaging 4.3 assists (leads team, and is actually pretty ridiculous considering he only averages 18mpg) to 1.1 turnover per game, 1.6 steals per game to lead the team, and already had a game winning jumper.

If you want to dive deeper, his player efficiency rating, win shares/40, and BPM all have him as the third or fourth best player on this team

Joe is quietly becoming one of the best point guards in the Big Ten. He’s shooting with confidence, wreaking havoc defensively while cutting down on fouls, and his pocket and no look passes are leading to a ridiculous amount of open looks. Going back to his freshman year, Maryland guard Anthony Cowan (who was a stud) said that Toussaint was the most difficult player to defend in a Big Ten conference which also boasted veteran point guards Cassius Winston and Zavier Simpson. Cowan actually predicted that Toussaint (along with Rocket Watts - 1/2 ain’t bad) would eventually take over the Big Ten.

Because of great shooters/scorers in the Murray boys, Pat, and Bohannon, Toussaint hasn’t been in a position where he’s had to score more than a few buckets per game. However, when we’ve needed baskets late, in two games now it’s been Toussaint either knocking down a three or hitting a game winner. Fran didn’t like Toussaint’s take to the hoop late in the game last night where he left it short on a short jumper with Kris open in the corner. Yes, he probably should have kicked it out. However, Joe was also 3/3 at that point in time, and the look was a reasonably uncontested one. He was off balance, but that’s a shot that I don’t hate Toussaint taking at all.

Joe is one of a few reasons that Iowa is surpassing everybody’s (especially my) expectations this year. If he can keep up his play, this team can do just about anything

He's also a really good guy, at least in my brief interaction with him. From my buddy who watched him before he came to Iowa, was that Joe was tough as nails and should be valued team member.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

He will have an interesting decision after next season in whether to take the extra Covid year of eligibility. Looking at his progression so far, just imagine how good he could be with two more full years of experience and improvement. Potentially enough for an NBA team to take a flyer on him for a summer camp invite and a GLeague contract?

 

[Stormn Norman]

I agree with everything said about Joe here whole heartedly. I know Fran didn’t like a shot he took coming down the stretch and took him out during crunch time, I didn’t think that was good move on Frans part. This year what Joe has done well on the court has out weighed the bad, I was hoping Fran would keep building on his confidence and take that bad with the good.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Fran's bias towards Connor and Patrick is becoming obvious to even the casual fan. Joe, Perkins, Sandfort, or Ulis make a mistake and they get yanked immediately. Connor goes 0-5 from 3 with multiple bad decisions on shot selection and he gets to play on. Patrick had a nice game, but was 4-12 from the field and took some awful shots and he gets to play on. The other guys make a bad decision and they are yanked at the next dead ball and put in time out.

 

[Stephen Hawk King]

Fran's bias towards Connor and Patrick is becoming obvious to even the casual fan. Joe, Perkins, Sandfort, or Ulis make a mistake and they get yanked immediately. Connor goes 0-5 from 3 with multiple bad decisions on shot selection and he gets to play on. Patrick had a nice game, but was 4-12 from the field and took some awful shots and he gets to play on. The other guys make a bad decision and they are yanked at the next dead ball and put in time out.

Joe got yanked because he committed two early fouls. He needs to be smarter than that, we need him on the floor.

 

[Slim45]

Joe got yanked because he committed two early fouls. He needs to be smarter than that, we need him on the floor.

joe gets zero respect from the refs. Those first 2 fouls don’t get called on most pg’s in the league. They were bad. But yeah once he gets that first foul he needs to learn to cool it and not put himself in position to get called for a 2nd. It has become obvious that he is pretty key for the team and he needs to be on the floor.

 

[pocha444444]

Joe got yanked because he committed two early fouls. He needs to be smarter than that, we need him on the floor.

Fran needs to be smarter about how he manages fouls.

 

[goodbyebobby]

Joe, Ulis, and Perkins need to play together more.
Their D is infinitely more important than JBo's shooting or Connor's post feeds.

And whoever thinks Fran is biased toward Patrick? Good! He should be, kid is getting better all the time.
Those four and Keegan are a nice five to have on the court anytime.

 

[BBHawk]

Fran's bias towards Connor and Patrick is becoming obvious to even the casual fan. Joe, Perkins, Sandfort, or Ulis make a mistake and they get yanked immediately. Connor goes 0-5 from 3 with multiple bad decisions on shot selection and he gets to play on. Patrick had a nice game, but was 4-12 from the field and took some awful shots and he gets to play on. The other guys make a bad decision and they are yanked at the next dead ball and put in time out.

CMac got yanked twice.

 

[jonesy5960]

CMac got yanked twice.

He's got a point. CMac hoisted 5 3 pointers and Patrick hoisted 4. They were a combined 0-9. Patrick had a decent game but he was 4-13 and took and missed 2 3 pointers and turned the ball over during the last few minutes after the Hawks with Joe in had cut it to 2 points and Pat stays in. They are the 2 worst 3 point shooters on the team statistically speaking AINEC and they took 9 of the 21 attempts on Friday. Joe OTH takes a shot that he has actually been hitting consistently this season and he's yanked one game after hitting the game winner at Virginia under similar circumstances. He's been the most valuable member of the team not named Keegan or Kris and yet he sits while Patrick and Connor play extended minutes. You'll take this as an attack on Pmac and Cmac because that's what you do but it makes zero sense to anyone with an objective eye looking solely at the numbers.

 

[HawkLogic]

It’s really fun to watch when players like him develop and turn into the player you thought they could be. He’s a leader and a spark in this team. He could always make plays, just not always under control.

Watching Joe, Perkins and Ulis in the second half running and playing defense, it struck me that we looked like one of those MSU, OSU or Purdue teams with quick and athletic guards that we’ve always been jealous of.

yeah, the guards that Dolph was askng Fran to bring in over Dailey and Ellingson.

 

[jonesy5960]

He does need to stay out there. He's become the leader and catalyst for the offense.

And the defense. He leads the team in steals and is responsible for even more where he tips the ball and it ends up in a teammate's hands. He's a total disrupter out there.

 

[BBHawk]

You are going to think what you want. I can't change your mind. I think Joe needs minutes but I feel that he controls that more than anyone. He'll get his minutes going forward.

 

[jonesy5960]

You are going to think what you want. I can't change your mind. I think Joe needs minutes but I feel that he controls that more than anyone. He'll get his minutes going forward.

Tell me how Joe controls his minutes more than Fran does. What has he done or not done this year to suggest that he doesn't deserve all the minutes he can get including yesterday? What did he do or not do that warranted him only getting 16 minutes in a game where we were short one starter and don't say foul trouble because he sat for 6 minutes in the middle of the second half and at the end of the game.

 

[Stormn Norman]

He's got a point. CMac hoisted 5 3 pointers and Patrick hoisted 4. They were a combined 0-9. Patrick had a decent game but he was 4-13 and took and missed 2 3 pointers and turned the ball over during the last few minutes after the Hawks with Joe in had cut it to 2 points and Pat stays in. They are the 2 worst 3 point shooters on the team statistically speaking AINEC and they took 9 of the 21 attempts on Friday. Joe OTH takes a shot that he has actually been hitting consistently this season and he's yanked one game after hitting the game winner at Virginia under similar circumstances. He's been the most valuable member of the team not named Keegan or Kris and yet he sits while Patrick and Connor play extended minutes. You'll take this as an attack on Pmac and Cmac because that's what you do but it makes zero sense to anyone with an objective eye looking solely at the numbers.

If Fran instilled the confidence and gave the leeway in a few more players the way he does his sons this team probably upsets Purdue without Keegan Murray.. it’s tough to just go out there and play if you’re looking over your shoulder waiting to get pulled.. (that perkins 3 may have something to do with that) mean while P&CMac can let it all hang out..

Cmac takes and misses wide open 3’s on regular basis, unguarded. He needs to take the ball into the lane & dish or get closer to get a higher percentage shot a 3 should almost be considered a bad shot for him. And Pmac runs the court on fast breaks with blinders on. There can be a guy or two running with him he never dishes or even fakes a dish, no euro step, just straight to the rim.. but over all they get to play loose and with hesitations. All the players need to have that! We’d be a better team..

 

[jonesy5960]

If Fran instilled the confidence and gave the leeway in a few more players the way he does his sons this team probably upsets Purdue without Keegan Murray.. it’s tough to just go out there and play if you’re looking over your shoulder waiting to get pulled.. (that perkins 3 may have something to do with that) mean while P&CMac can let it all hang out..

Cmac takes and misses wide open 3’s on regular basis, unguarded. He needs to take the ball into the lane & dish or get closer to get a higher percentage shot a 3 should almost be considered a bad shot for him. And Pmac runs the court on fast breaks with blinders on. There can be a guy or two running with him he never dishes or even fakes a dish, no euro step, just straight to the rim.. but over all they get to play loose and with hesitations. All the players need to have that! We’d be a better team..

Tough to fault Fran with anything from an offensive perspective. His teams are exceedingly efficient on that end of the floor. I also believe that he has Joe on an extremely short leash for reasons I don't currently understand. He's earned a lot more trust than he's being given IMO.

 

[Hawkeyesgonewild]

I love Joe t he is what point guard should be. He has came a long way I don't understand the tight leash he has Murray twins and pmac needs play there game.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Tell me how Joe controls his minutes more than Fran does. What has he done or not done this year to suggest that he doesn't deserve all the minutes he can get including yesterday? What did he do or not do that warranted him only getting 16 minutes in a game where we were short one starter and don't say foul trouble because he sat for 6 minutes in the middle of the second half and at the end of the game.

Joe T only played a few minutes in the first half because he picked up two quick fouls. Fran jerks everyone after two fouls in the first half. I think should rethink this policy when a game is getting away, but he is the coach and many other coaches do the same thing.

 

[KcTo]

Joe T only played a few minutes in the first half because he picked up two quick fouls. Fran jerks everyone after two fouls in the first half. I think should rethink this policy when a game is getting away, but he is the coach and many other coaches do the same thing.

Fran limited JoeT to 15min
JoeT played last 11 minutes with a foul.
(He can play with fouls)

Fran was something like 350 of 355 in 1st half 2 foul participation.
Fran sticks to this strategy no matter what the circumstances are.

again it was Fran that limited one of IOWAs most effective players this year, and effective players in the game at Purdue, and did so intentionally

15 min, 10 points 3 fouls , 4 assists, 1 steal 1 TO, 2 Reb

double that and it’s probably an Iowa win, even if JoeT fouls out…

fran left huge amount of positive excess efficiency on the bench
replacing with 19 ConMac minutes of horrifically negative efficiency

there was the game

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Tough to fault Fran with anything from an offensive perspective. His teams are exceedingly efficient on that end of the floor. I also believe that he has Joe on an extremely short leash for reasons I don't currently understand. He's earned a lot more trust than he's being given IMO.

I know we need things to discuss but like Jonesy is saying.....our offensive production even with CMac shooting some wide open 3s. Seriously???? Exceedingly efficient is the term and then some. He missed the shots....he normally does not take those shots but he can make em too. We are still the 2nd leading team in 3 pt FG % so what the heck do you posters want? My goodness, it's painful to be on these boards to read what posters complain about.

We lead the friggin conference in scoring and this is after 8 games.....723 points divided by 8 games is 91 ppg and ahead of PU. After games against the renowned Virginia and PU defenses....ON THE ROAD.....holy smokes that is really good.

"If Fran instilled the confidence and gave the leeway in a few more players the way he does his sons this team probably upsets Purdue without Keegan Murray.."

Where do posters come up with these thoughts?. .....you all thought including me we could not beat PU and then we almost did w/o the leading scorer in the conference who was on the Bench and in Mackey no less.....

You can check my posts too and I have been very optimistic about this team even with the very large wins against lesser comp and that they are pretty damn good...and well, they are.

Here's the link....excellent offense across every offensive bucket tracked (check out TOs) and we are now finding out, they play some pretty salty defense too.....it's not a perfect team but scary to think they will get better. Enjoy it while you can....

Big Ten Conference

The official 2021-2022 Men's Basketball cumulative statistics for Big Ten Conference

bigten.org

 

[jonesy5960]

Joe T only played a few minutes in the first half because he picked up two quick fouls. Fran jerks everyone after two fouls in the first half. I think should rethink this policy when a game is getting away, but he is the coach and many other coaches do the same thing.

I understand that it's a pretty typical action by coaches to yank a player after 2 first half fouls. That's another discussion as to whether that rule should be applied without exception and I completely agree that it had nothing to do with Joe per se. That doesn't explain why Joe was pulled for 6 or 7 minutes in the middle of the second half where he sat until around the 5 minute mark. He was pulled again in the last minute in favor of Cmac and Jbo.

 

[HawkRugged17]

2 threes for Joe T in Ames in the first half. Shooshed the crowd on both.