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JoeT, Ulis, Perkins, Murrays

Seems like Fran has very little confidence in Kris. Im pretty bummed he had such a poor game. Thought Perkins played great.

Im excited for conference play though. We are gonna surprise teams.
 
Ulis and Toussaint both had foul issues tonight. I like them both very much. Kris was a bit off tonight.
 
TPs shot has been off last couple of games. It almost seemed like Kris was under the weather or something. Not the usual hustle and he's not one to throw up wild airballs. Not the usual aggression.
 
That line up would get killed inside by Big Ten teams.
Do you watch the Bulls at all? Smallest team in the NBA. Worst defense I've ever seen the last 4 years. Their perimeter defense was so improved dramatically over the offseason just like the Hawks. You can mask undermanned interior defense with good on the ball perimeter defense. Granted, there are teams that get you (Pacers, Cavs, Purdue, Illinois).

I was with you going into the season.. but bball is changing and I'm completely over the typical starting positions
 
Do you watch the Bulls at all? Smallest team in the NBA. Worst defense I've ever seen the last 4 years. Their perimeter defense was so improved dramatically over the offseason just like the Hawks. You can mask undermanned interior defense with good on the ball perimeter defense. Granted, there are teams that get you (Pacers, Cavs, Purdue, Illinois).

I was with you going into the season.. but bball is changing and I'm completely over the typical starting positions
But that only takes you so far in the Big Ten. Markus Bingham 7'; Hunter Dickerson 7'1" and a lot of 6'9" guys BIG guys ahead on this schedule. Hated to see Josh go down for that reason.

You are right, you can mask an undersized defense but the mask will eventually be left with a numbers problem inside. Iowa plays in a league where the physical play enables the 6'9" and up muscular physical players that bang hard on the boards. A thin 6'8" guy will eventually get worn down and in foul trouble.
 
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But that only takes you so far in the Big Ten. Markus Bingham 7'; Hunter Dickerson 7'1" and a lot of 6'9" guys BIG guys ahead on this schedule. Hated to see Josh go down for that reason.

You are right, you can mask an undersized defense but the mask will eventually be left with a numbers problem inside. Iowa plays in a league where the physical play enables the 6'9" and up muscular physical players that bang hard on the boards. A thin 6'8" guy will eventually get worn down and in foul trouble.
I still think you should apply for an assistant coach at Iowa so you can recruit 5 or 6 all american players who would love to live in Iowa and take you to the NCAA every year...
 
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But that only takes you so far in the Big Ten. Markus Bingham 7'; Hunter Dickerson 7'1" and a lot of 6'9" guys BIG guys ahead on this schedule. Hated to see Josh go down for that reason.

You are right, you can mask an undersized defense but the mask will eventually be left with a numbers problem inside. Iowa plays in a league where the physical play enables the 6'9" and up muscular physical players that bang hard on the boards. A thin 6'8" guy will eventually get worn down and in foul trouble.
I dunno man. I used to worry about it, size and what not.. but if you run, press and play good perimeter defense, the other team eventually plays to your style.

I think we'll do just fine this year.... well, if fran can figure out who to play when
 
Patrick has to be in the mix.
Does he?

Hes good in transition but he doesn't play good defense, or rebound and forces 5 or 6 bad shots a game.

Almost every time he slow motion drives he ends up in a terrible mid range off balance floaty thing.

I can think of once or twice all year hes put the ball on the deck in the half court and gotten to the rim but he shoots it every time he dribbles inside the 3pt line.

He doesn't know what he's not good at and the coach let's him do what he wants.
 
Do you watch the Bulls at all? Smallest team in the NBA. Worst defense I've ever seen the last 4 years. Their perimeter defense was so improved dramatically over the offseason just like the Hawks. You can mask undermanned interior defense with good on the ball perimeter defense. Granted, there are teams that get you (Pacers, Cavs, Purdue, Illinois).

I was with you going into the season.. but bball is changing and I'm completely over the typical starting positions
That was my hope for this team but its not going to happen with Fran.

He doesn't care about defense.

Iowa has improved defenders but they're not being taught what to do.
 
But that only takes you so far in the Big Ten. Markus Bingham 7'; Hunter Dickerson 7'1" and a lot of 6'9" guys BIG guys ahead on this schedule. Hated to see Josh go down for that reason.

You are right, you can mask an undersized defense but the mask will eventually be left with a numbers problem inside. Iowa plays in a league where the physical play enables the 6'9" and up muscular physical players that bang hard on the boards. A thin 6'8" guy will eventually get worn down and in foul trouble.
The way to counter it is force the bigs to play perimeter defense.

They are more out of place there than the smaller guys are inside.

They foul out quicker.

But apparently Fran isn't going to do this. Hes going to play to the opponents strengths and not his own teams so this is basically a throw away year.
 
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I think this team is still battling some injuries and some disconnect due to those injuries and the finals week. This might continue over the next week or so with the Holidays....but hopefully people can get fully healthy.

I love the guys on this team....I think they all bring something different. Players with this level of playing experience (lacking for everyone but JBO & Connor) seem to have a tendency towards inconsistency. Hopefully the more they play this year, the less the inconsistency will surface.

The bottom line is, as a coach, I think you have to make decisions about playing time related to where an individual player is at both physically and mentally.....that varies from game to game and player to player. These are things that the coaches know that we don't.....although I certainly question some things Fran does from my back seat driver position, in the end I know that he sees these guys in practice everyday and knows them on a level that I/we don't.....so he knows what he is doing.
 
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Does he?

Hes good in transition but he doesn't play good defense, or rebound and forces 5 or 6 bad shots a game.

Almost every time he slow motion drives he ends up in a terrible mid range off balance floaty thing.

I can think of once or twice all year hes put the ball on the deck in the half court and gotten to the rim but he shoots it every time he dribbles inside the 3pt line.

He doesn't know what he's not good at and the coach let's him do what he wants.
Do you honestly think he's not a top 7 player on the team?
 
Patrick has to be in the mix.
Patrick needs to man TFU.
Before the b2b alley oops last night he came in from the left wing and had an easy tomahawk but was scared of the guard coming down the lane so he flipped up some weak reverse and went to the line.

That crap don't cut it and his coach should have been in his ear about taking it strong.

I think he can be really good but sometimes he plays like a 12 year old.
 
The way to counter it is force the bigs to play perimeter defense.

They are more out of place there than the smaller guys are inside.

They foul out quicker.

But apparently Fran isn't going to do this. Hes going to play to the opponents strengths and not his own teams so this is basically a throw away year.
Agree w/most of this post. We got back into the Purdue game pressing. Play to your strengths. Our big men are currently not our strengths. Our starting big is an undersized power forward. We got destroyed on the boards in both the Purdue and Illinois game, so going bigger isn't going to help us especially when our bigs aren't great. I'm not as down on Patrick as you are, as I think he has a ton of potential offensively and in the press. However, you are right that he's downright awful in halfcourt defense and almost refuses to rebound at 6-9. I agree about making a guy like Dickinson having to guard Keegan or even Patrick from 20 feet out. They would blow by them in a heartbeat. This is also why you rarely see plodders like him having any impact in the NBA. To slow and can't guard anyone. Again, Fran preaches positionless basketball but doesn't practice what he preaches.
 
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Agree w/most of this post. We got back into the Purdue game pressing. Play to your strengths. Our big men are currently not our strengths. Our starting big is an undersized power forward. We got destroyed on the boards in both the Purdue and Illinois game, so going bigger isn't going to help us especially when our bigs aren't great. I'm not as down on Patrick as you are, as I think he has a ton of potential offensively and in the press. However, you are right that he's downright awful in halfcourt defense and almost refuses to rebound at 6-9. I agree about making a guy like Dickinson having to guard Keegan or even Patrick from 20 feet out. They would blow by them in a heartbeat. This is also why you rarely see plodders like him having any impact in the NBA. To slow and can't guard anyone. Again, Fran preaches positionless basketball but doesn't practice what he preaches.
He for sure has a ton of potential, he's very talented.

But right now he doesn't do the things college basketball players need to do.

Hes out there playing pick up basketball.

No defense, no rebounding, terrible shot selection.

All things that should be coached out of him and would be on other teams.
 
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Does he?

Hes good in transition but he doesn't play good defense, or rebound and forces 5 or 6 bad shots a game.

Almost every time he slow motion drives he ends up in a terrible mid range off balance floaty thing.

I can think of once or twice all year hes put the ball on the deck in the half court and gotten to the rim but he shoots it every time he dribbles inside the 3pt line.

He doesn't know what he's not good at and the coach let's him do what he wants.
Gawd, you are such a one trick pony!
 
So just sit JBo for the rest of the year?
To late now. Again, while he's clearly a more productive player than Conor, he's strictly good at 1 thing, shooting. We have seen over 4-5 years his strengths and liabilities. In the right situation he can be really good. In games against athletic teams he can't guard and struggles to get his shot off. Maybe I'm in the minority but I would have liked to see what Perkins could have done or Kris could have done playing the 2 as the starter. The future is now.
 
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Fran will not sit JBO, Connor and/or Patrick as much as he should. He is obviously too committed to sons and JBO has now made a name for himself. All 3 should be backups and play sparingly with the younger and better talent on this team.
 
Does he?

Hes good in transition but he doesn't play good defense, or rebound and forces 5 or 6 bad shots a game.

Almost every time he slow motion drives he ends up in a terrible mid range off balance floaty thing.

I can think of once or twice all year hes put the ball on the deck in the half court and gotten to the rim but he shoots it every time he dribbles inside the 3pt line.

He doesn't know what he's not good at and the coach let's him do what he wants.
I never want to see the running floater again.
 
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Fran will not sit JBO, Connor and/or Patrick as much as he should. He is obviously too committed to sons and JBO has now made a name for himself. All 3 should be backups and play sparingly with the younger and better talent on this team.
I respect your opinion, but completely disagree.

Patrick is clearly a very talented young man that just needs experience....his size, skills, and athleticism seems to be the perfect fit for this system. He will be even better when he gets stronger and starts to assert himself and refine his skills.

JBO and Connor bring a mental maturity and experience out on the floor that no one else on the team has. Even though I might not agree with the exact minutes played or the use of Connor at certain times......this is not an experienced team and these guys help set the example in how to play within this system.....a great value to a coach that we as fans don't understand the dynamics of.

Connor was a starter last year.....he's got more knowledge about how his dad wants things run on the floor than any other player, and yet took a step back out of a starting position.....not only doesn't pout about it, but helps the other guys. He is great in that role to work with the less experienced second unit. He brings a toughness and attitude to the floor that helps his teammates.
 
I'm fine with Pmac and JBo off the bench with Rebraca. I think those 3 would be a strength coming off the bench. The top 5 in the OP plus those 3 should be the entriety of our rotation if we're serious about winning basketball games. (obviously PS and JO will get spot minutes)

CMac is great kid and a future coach but he has zero business being on the court
 
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Conor should play 0 minutes. Bohannon plays too much. Patrick is terrible on defense and and even worse rebounder. People who say he has great handles are high. Him getting to the hoop, and the resulting shots, are some of the ugliest chit I've ever seen. Tony Perkins should play a lot more. Ulis should play more. Kris should play more.
 
Conor should play 0 minutes. Bohannon plays too much. Patrick is terrible on defense and and even worse rebounder. People who say he has great handles are high. Him getting to the hoop, and the resulting shots, are some of the ugliest chit I've ever seen. Tony Perkins should play a lot more. Ulis should play more. Kris should play more.



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