Amen, some of us have a long track history of criticizing establishment Democrats when they do stuff that isn't acceptable.
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Amen, some of us have a long track history of criticizing establishment Democrats when they do stuff that isn't acceptable.
I'm not a Republican, but I'll answer anyway. Do you really think they teach the inner workings and arm twisting of the Senate at Harvard? Do you think Harvard teaches how to deal with the personalities of Senate leadership, how to trade your vote for campaign money or support for another bill to benefit your state?
BTW, I don't watch Fox News. So, in your arrogance you are 0-2 on me.
Kennedy
After that, Clinton
My first vote was for Jimmy Carter. Unfortunately he didn't know how to deal with the politics inside the beltway, meaning he was way too honest, as well as naive.
If he presented himself in a suit/tie fashion on a normal basis I believe he would actually be a strong candidate.
Education does not equal experience. I don't care what anyone learned in a classroom, it 150 IQ PHD's still have to learn the ropes once thrown into the mix.
If your first vote was for Carter you can't be much older than me. Do you have much memory of when Kennedy was President? I was 3 when Kennedy was shot and 16 when Carter was elected.
That’s what the middle was sold in the first election. Quickly they realized they voted for a corpse that was just a pawn in the Dem machine.
He was wrong to pin buffoonery only on Dems after that speech. Basically telling members of his own party to sit down and shut up. They need to be fighting more, not less.
What do you believe the center is? Is it the middle blend between the differences of the neoliberal right and neoliberal left? Maybe it is your ideals of common sense mixed with supposed populist positions? Feel free to fill it in with some examples.
I believe the middle, center, moderate language to be a manipulation to make people feel like they went to the inoffensive compromised positions and into positions of apathy. Especially when you consider the march to the right by both parties the middle between that position is inherently on the right. Then you can also factor in which types of laws and bills actually pass and those are ones that oligarchs funded through political bribes which makes it look like the pre-negotiated position between two parties in the form of the positions of the donor class.
I would propose that the middle would be where citizens have the most overlap. I'm saying the middle is actual populist positions that a majority of people agree on. Of course that is not how it is presented in America.
He’s further right than I need, but I wouldn’t say he’s far right. He hasn’t pushed for a federal ban on abortion or gay marriage.
Personally, I’m pro life but understand the liberal point of view of abortion rights. I also think every woman should be educated about the emotional effects of going through with an abortion. But I don’t think a single tax dollar should pay for abortions.
i don't like that tax dollars pay for old men's boner pills or lung cancer treatments for smokers or any number of things that i don't personally like
but i also don't think my personal preferences regarding certain medical procedures should have any bearing on weather federal health care funding will cover them
does that make me far left?
See my previous reply on abortion rights^^^.
I’d also say I’m a centrist on gun control. I’m far from a gun nut or expert, but I depart from the Republican Party to degree here. I think the cons far outweigh the pros for high capacity, assault weapons.
I can’t speak to whether ED meds are covered under federal plans ha. If they are covered, I agree they shouldn’t be. But as for lung cancer treatments, you are trying to save a life rather than end one.
I haven't been running for office..
Hate to break it to you, but centralism equates with liberalism. Supporting the status quo is a right-wing idealogy, which is basically what the democrats have advocated for since "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden was in office.
Happy to help you understand things a little better today!
you can hold that opinion...there's no point in arguing that
where we REALLY differ is that i don't think my opinions on specific medical procedures should affect federal policy on those procedures
Yeah, I don’t mind having a difference in opinion on that. To me, that’s what your vote is for is to represent your beliefs and values.
That wasn't the point, not that I'd get you to understand. The point was republicans, like you have no problem with the president putting unqualified people in charge of things. Would you rather have fetterman learn on the job or pete hegseth. One is far more dangerous.
I'd bet you social media algorithms would state otherwise.
PS I'm guessing a degree from havard in public policy would prepare one just fine. If you are suggesting that you can poorly educated and still learn to deal with people in the senate, I'm all ears.
He's much better now than when he was sworn in, but it's difficult to find anyone in DC that hasn't pledged undying loyalty to at least one foreign nation.
My statement about him being the voice of reason for his party seems to have been unwittingly verified by several posters in this thread.
Open borders, universal healthcare, climate change initiatives. While I’m not sure where she officially stood on DEI initiatives or trans youth (as many of her other policies were ambiguous) I didn’t have confidence she wouldn’t wilt to the far left side on those issues because of her ambiguity.
Centralism is by definition what the American people define it to be with their vote. Over time is has become more liberal, I’ll grant you that. This last election was Centrists rejecting the latest liberal agenda.
Link to her open border and universal healthcare policies, please. Universal healthcare is a winner in my opinion, but I'm don't believe it was part of her 2025 campaign platform.
Yes to all but Grassley, he has no business serving in office at his age. The rest are far more qualified and capable than Fetterman and that isn't intended to be a compliment to any of them.
Lol, good one except you don't know jack about me and you couldn't be more wrong. 1974 huh? Me too. One of us is fully retired and not a financial care in the world. More than enough self awareness.
John likes things orderly , quiet, no arguments, fights and he will just go with the flow, Thats his personalty, hes always been like this. A very different politican.
Centrism: a political philosophy of avoiding the extremes of left and right by taking a moderate position or course of action, per exact definition. Like I said, Centrists Americans rejected liberals going a bridge too far.
Right. Look further into the definition you just looked up and you'll see that liberalism is also, by definition, centrist. Glad to have you on board!
As for the open border issue, that clearly was the stance of the Biden administration for the first 3 years, of which that was her real area she was given responsibility. It wasn’t until the election winds blew so strongly against them that they tried to pivot. The American people saw through it or weren’t willing to take a chance that they were going to do something about it. The damage was done when they reversed Trump policies on day one.
Which trickles into Universal Healthcare, she at one time was a strong advocate. Voting for her brings that back into play if she were to get a mandate at any point of her term(s).
Where Kamala Harris stands on 10 key policy issues, from immigration to guns - BBC News
How have the vice-president's views changed since she first entered politics?
www.bbc.com
Maybe that’s a classical example of Liberalism to which I will admit has never been my understanding. Certainly is not where the Democrat party is today. My point being, I think a classic Democratic candidate like Bill Clinton would have won in a landslide against Trump. They way over played their hand on social issues.
The border issue might be valid, but the Harris platform being different than it was in 2020 is not. Trump negotiated and signed a trade agreement with Canada and Mexico his first term that he's throwing out the window now with his on and off tariff policies. Why does he get a pass?As for the open border issue, that clearly was the stance of the Biden administration for the first 3 years, of which that was her real area she was given responsibility. It wasn’t until the election winds blew so strongly against them that they tried to pivot. The American people saw through it or weren’t willing to take a chance that they were going to do something about it. The damage was done when they reversed Trump policies on day one.
Which trickles into Universal Healthcare, she at one time was a strong advocate. Voting for her brings that back into play if she were to get a mandate at any point of her term(s).
Where Kamala Harris stands on 10 key policy issues, from immigration to guns - BBC News
How have the vice-president's views changed since she first entered politics?www.bbc.com
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