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Maybe that’s a classical example of Liberalism to which I will admit has never been my understanding. Certainly is not where the Democrat party is today. My point being, I think a classic Democratic candidate like Bill Clinton would have won in a landslide against Trump. They way over played their hand on social issues.
The Republican Party made social issues out of stuff that doesn't happen. Schools changing student's gender, transgender mice, immigrants all being rapists and eating pets etc.
 
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The border issue might be valid, but the Harris platform being different than it was in 2020 is not. Trump negotiated and signed a trade agreement with Canada and Mexico his first term that he's throwing out the window now with his on and off tariff policies. Why does he get a pass?
I don’t disagree there. I think Trump has an end game in mind for the tariffs. I’ll be shocked if they are in place longer than 6 months. I’m not clear on that end game and I’m not certain we need to be at this point. I negotiate for a living, I never ask for a number at first. I always point to where they are high (materials, labor, overhead, etc) and ask them to do better in those areas. They’ll provide the next best offer, then the next stage of negotiation starts. If you ask for what you explicitly want out of the gate, you’re likely going to compromise short of that.
 
The Republican Party made social issues out of stuff that doesn't happen. Schools changing student's gender, transgender mice, immigrants all being rapists and eating pets etc.
Some of that is certainly over stated, but the non-starter for me is allowing any sort of puberty blockers or hormone therapy for kids. It’s not a one off case here or there that some of you say it is, and it’s been on the rise.

 
The border issue might be valid, but the Harris platform being different than it was in 2020 is not. Trump negotiated and signed a trade agreement with Canada and Mexico his first term that he's throwing out the window now with his on and off tariff policies. Why does he get a pass?

She ran to the right on the border during the campaign.

 
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Some of that is certainly over stated, but the non-starter for me is allowing any sort of puberty blockers or hormone therapy for kids. It’s not a one off case here or there that some of you say it is, and it’s been on the rise.

I don't agree with your position on puberty blockers, but can you show me where that was an issue Harris supported?
 
Maybe that’s a classical example of Liberalism to which I will admit has never been my understanding. Certainly is not where the Democrat party is today. My point being, I think a classic Democratic candidate like Bill Clinton would have won in a landslide against Trump. They way over played their hand on social issues.
It's really THE definition, not the bastardized one that it's been made to be.

I don't think they made a big deal about social issues at all, but I guess I don't really concern myself with them other than ensuring that everyone has equal rights and to work together to prevent discrimination. I'd rather that ALL of our citizens have more rights, not fewer. Conservative media is what caused many to believe that "dems overplayed their hand on social issues" IMO.

I think Trump won because people are upset and unhappy with the current system and their circumstances. Things for the masses slowly get worse and worse year after year, and they don't understand why. They've become so malleable and willing attach to anyone that will listen to them. Trump acknowledges that anger and uses his palingenetic "Make America Great Again" slogan to falsely demonize immigrants and LGBTQ+ folks as the sources of those frustrations.

They don't realize the obvious - that immigrants aren't their landlord, they're not the owners of mega corporations, they don't sit on the board of Blackrock buying up houses to drive rents up. These are the real people behind the issues our country is facing. Trump does a great job focusing that anger on a scapegoat. He makes it seem like he really cares about the working class and his supporters when nothing could be further from the truth.

On the other hand, the democrats do a terrible job acknowledging that frustration, offering very minimal solutions and looking to maintain the status quo. That's why they lost, and if they don't adjust to populist ideology, they'll continue to.
 
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I don't agree with your position on puberty blockers, but can you show me where that was an issue Harris supported?
I already stated I don’t know what her stated position on trans youth was. She likely steered clear of it knowing that’s another 80/20 they’re on wrong side of.
 
She ran to the right on the border during the campaign.

She tried but once your track record is formed to the contrary it’s really hard to convince people otherwise. Especially without having to go through a primary.
 
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