For what it is worth I am aware of the verse and we do not put up a Christmas tree, but thank you for offering up the insight.
Jok was right on his heels
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This looks worse watching it than reading about it in the sports pages or on the sports web pages. It shows a man that cannot control his anger. He looked like the kid on the playground who decides to, "take his ball and go home." It looks like 10 or 12 players are "stunned and do not know what to do" as Coach Fran motions for them to leave the floor. Coach Fran did not make sure they even knew they were supposed to go to the locker room. Pemsyl and another player in a warmup shirt had to make sure the rest of the team knew to exit the floor. Then Speraw had to stand their and explain why the head coach stormed off of the court. If the game so angers you that you cannot behave as an professional and an example for your players, then maybe it is time to find another line of work. I understand emotion and passion and the videos reveal a coach that is way beyond that.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...d-shake-hands-north-dakota-coaches-win-122116
Count me as another that simply disagrees with your viewpoint, along with your "version" of what you say happened. It was clear to me that ND had bad intentions, and were not worthy of a handshake after the game. You are focusing so much on where Fran failed, it would seem to only fair to consider the entirety of the situation. You distill this down to, oh he didn't shake hands after the game, so unprofessional! Yet, ND's coach is trying to get a meaningless bucket to count at the end of the game, which clearly show's where his mind is at and why his players play the way they do. ND players/coaches created the scene at the end of the game by their own actions. I'm glad Fran walked away from that mess, in lieu of the possibility of a worse outcome.
You keep saying that, and obviously YOU were upset, but I was there and this post is unadulterated bullshit. Not one player was fighting mad, not even close. Jok pissed? Sure recovered in time for interview when he said he didn't even know what was going on. JBo pissed? He sought out Hooker to apologize. Baer pissed about being mugged? For 1 second and turned away in disgust to go shake hands.
The only person there in danger of disruptig the handshake line was Fran McCaffery. He is projecting his own inability to control his emotions upon others.
Not a big deal, Fran apologized, move on.
Hypocritical? K OKeefe is the poster boy for hypocritical. He is your garden variety troll who signs onto this board employing an "Iowa" based user name, and then proceeds to slam the Hawks in every post. This crap isn't allowed on CyFan and shouldn't be tolerated here either. There are some thoughtful and respectful Clone fans that post here. K OKeefe isn't one of them.
Guess you did not see and hear the players in the tunnel. And there were some ND players who were ready to brawl I can assure you.
Unadulterated bullshit is so much more believable if accompanied by assurance.
Cripes on a crutch, any game Jacob Jaacks or Scott Skiles or Dan the undercutter Dakich or decades of MSU/Georgetown teams played had a greater risk of brawl than that game. After Isiah Thomas punched Steve Krafcisn (sp) in the face the teams shook hands, but geez this guy grabbed the ball with 1 second left, OMG!
Look, if the players wanted to fight, they would have fought with or without a damn line. If what you say is true, why wasn't there a fight (OR EVEN WORDS OTHER THAN JBO'S I'm SORRY) with the players on the court while Fran stalked away, or in the tunnel? Why did almost every player look around bewildered? You and Fran were just too emotional to put the situation in realistic context.
Nearly every competitive game in college history ended with degrees of pissed off. So you bleat in the tunnel, act tough, etc. etc. after shaking hands. Just like the thousands of competitive games that came before you got pissed.
Fran knows that, which is why he apologized while you continue to claim temper tantrums are justified.
Cripes on a crutch, any game Jacob Jaacks or Scott Skiles or Dan the undercutter Dakich or decades of MSU/Georgetown teams played had a greater risk of brawl than that game. After Isiah Thomas punched Steve Krafcisn (sp) in the face the teams shook hands, but geez this guy grabbed the ball with 1 second left, OMG!
Look, if the players wanted to fight, they would have fought with or without a damn line. If what you say is true, why wasn't there a fight (OR EVEN WORDS OTHER THAN JBO'S I'm SORRY) with the players on the court while Fran stalked away, or in the tunnel? Why did almost every player look around bewildered? You and Fran were just too emotional to put the situation in realistic context.
Nearly every competitive game in college history ended with degrees of pissed off. So you bleat in the tunnel, act tough, etc. etc. after shaking hands. Just like the thousands of competitive games that came before you got pissed.
Fran knows that, which is why he apologized while you continue to claim temper tantrums are justified.
The North Dakota coach said right after the game that the his player acted inappropriately by snatching the ball from the Iowa player. What strikes me is how Coach Fran did not even stand there and make sure his players were exiting the floor with him. You can spin it any way you want, but to quote MLK Jr. "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Hah! You contradict yourself again (and I really can't believe that you tried to invoke the bible and MLK to attempt to make your point...that's just wrong on many levels). The "comfort and convenience", would have been to shake hands. Instead he chose the peaceful civil disobedient rout that MLK taught... Ugh! Moron.
...And as I said before, that is no apology from Jones. Listen to the video/audio. That is a classic example of passive-aggressive. Also watch the last 30 seconds of the video you posted, showing a foul-mouthed Jones berate Speraw (that is not someone that is sorry, and I hope he never sets foot in CHA again).
(edit) Oh, and forgot about Jones calling one of our players a "fuc#ing pr!ck"; which was caught on tv for all to enjoy. I actually hope to never watch a game with that guy on the sidelines again.
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My Dad always told me "it takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight than it does to start one." I was sure proud of Fran and the team for walking away. There was no tantrum. Not even close. I am afraid you are delusional or are some sort of Hawkeye Hater.
LOL So you think the two choices were to give into emotion and fight or give into emotion and run away. You do realize there was another option available, eh?
If you were proud of Fran for his tantrum you must be completely perplexed by his apology. To you he must lack courage of his convictions or be lying with the apology.
You obviously never played the game, but haven't you seen enough games to recognize how pedestrian that situation was? And that the ONLY thing that made it unusual was Fran's inability to maintain perspective in the moment?
Tantrum? I didn't see anything from Fran that was remotely close to a tantrum. Actually it was the exact opposite.
You didn't find it unusual for the UND player to stand there for a moment while Baer held the ball then attack and rip it out of his hands? I've never seen it before.
In what post did I quote the Bible? I think you have me confused with another.
I am referring to my belief that Coach Fran choose to apologize because he contemplated on what he did and decided an apology was in order. The flip side of that is AD Barta reprimanded Coach Fran and required him to offer an apology. I do not care what position you take, the whole debacle is a black eye for Coach Fran and the University of Iowa on the national stage.
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Running away is a tantrum. Junior High take my ball and go home tantrum.
Yes I have seen that before, just this fall in a DIII game. In that game the ref called a foul with .1 left on the clock in a 14 point game, (fouling out the leading scorer). Here the ref appeared offended by the way he waved off the hoop, but he should have called the foul. That ref doing his job would have short circuited much of the problem, Baer gets a couple of free points, the kid gets rightfully called for his misdeed, everybody has time to oooh and aaah about the dick play, and Fran shakes hands.
And again, put it in context people. Jones was an ahole. Hooker got away with goading JBo into a technical foul. The kid was a sore loser with mugging Baer. I didn't think the foul on Jok was "hard" (looked to me like Pete invited the contact to get free points), but even if that was "hard" foul, compare it to scores of other game events over the years.
Johnny Orr threw a towel in the refs face during play and got his hand shook. Bobby Knight existed and got handshakes.
Isiah Thomas punched a guy during play and his coach and team got handshakes. Jacob Jaacks got his hand shaken many times. Graham from Georgetown got his hand shaken every game. Dan Dakich slid his butt under airborn players repeatedly and got his hand shaken.
Many many many worse and more provocative events have occurred in the past. Fran knows that, and thus apologized.
And same question as to hooper: If you are so convinced running away was the right thing to do, how upset are you about his apology? Fran lack courage of his convictions or is he lying because of outside pressure?
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"You obviously never played the game"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...OMG that is rich, accusing hooper56 of never playing the game.
Clearly someone doesn't have a handle on reality (and if that's not clear enough, I mean you).
ok, cheap shot apparently inaccurate. But hard for me to believe anybody that played in college would find the situation uniquely combustible or unusual, but for Fran's overreaction that is.
Yes you are correct, and I'm sorry for that. However, you did reference the "Resurrection", which is technically referential and biblical to boot...just sayin'.
-see how i did that...which is exactly the strategy Jones took in his so called apology. Again hope to never see him in CHA.
Well, your belief's mean zero. Your quote, "the whole debacle is a black eye for Coach Fran and the University of Iowa on the national stage", also means zero. Yes, WE have differing opinions regarding this; however, it is also clear that you are not one of us (i.e the aforementioned 'WE') ...so go away troll.
You are correct, I am not one of you, I am an individual with individual beliefs not some kind of mind numb Iowa homer. I root for the Iowa Hawkeyes athletic teams, I just choose to critique where I see the need sorry if you cannot handle that. It seems like that is your problem not mine. Refute my "black eye" point. Link a positive spin on the whole situation. Do something besides name call.
this is what would have happened had they shook hands last game..
I gotta say... I love the passion of Fran McCaffery... sometimes I think he gets too soft... I love moments like what we saw last game... I'm looking forward to more of it.
I gotta say... I love the passion of Fran McCaffery... sometimes I think he gets too soft... I love moments like what we saw last game... I'm looking forward to more of it.
You may want to look up the definition of tantrum. FM showed no violence or aggression walking away.
Well, I really only named called once (it could've been twice, but I only remember once). And if you really are a true Hawk fan, then please, by all means, show me the posts where you're positive to the team...any Hawk team (i'll even take golf).
Actually, while a lot of what KOK is saying is garbage, he's pretty spot on with the "black eye" comment. The average college basketball fan already had/has the perception of Fran as some sort of crybaby, going back to the MSU/UNI games. For people who didn't watch the game, and analysts/reporters trying to spin this so it's a bigger story, then Iowa is the team that looks bad and this is just another one of Fran's "temper tantrums." The only people who feel that Iowa was in the right here are Iowa fans, but that's because we saw the entirety of the game.
It was a bit of a black eye on the program, but fortunately Grayson Allen bailed us out yesterday and took all the attention.
LMAO at the clone pretending to be a hawk and trying sooo hard to make this a scandal....and failing.
A positive spin on this may be to point out that the actions that resulted in the no handshakes by Iowa may have a beneficial effect on the North Dakota team. They may look more closely at their actions at the end of the game the other night and determine not to repeat them in subsequent games. McCaffrey will most likely never repeat this action again. He has shown that he learns quickly based on his chair throwing incident a few years ago that has never been repeated. I however don't have any problems with him walking off the court because of what transpired at the end of the game the other night.
McCaffrey is also not the only coach that has not shaken hands at the end of a game. Krzyzewski didn't shake hands with Dean Smith (because he thought that there should be at least a second left in the game) and Harbaugh did it against Schwartz in the NFL to name a couple of examples.
There is no black eye here. We have enough examples all over the country of coaches that run programs that can't control their players actions on and off the court (Duke, Iowa State, Syracuse, Louisville, North Carolina, Minnesota to name a few). To me those are examples of black eyes. Fran takes responsibility for his own actions but has great control of what his players do on and off the court.
Are you talking to yourself? You quoted your post and said "you're a moron."
I'll pass on engaging in any further discussion with somebody who only wants to resort to namecalling (why would you ask me to explain myself, then shoot down my opinion and thoughts in the same breath? haha), but will say this: Do you see any pundits calling out ND? I don't. I've been to several forums consisting of fans of a variety of teams where all anybody is doing is bashing McCaffery. It's not right, but it's what's happening. So in terms of perception, Iowa is taking it a hit, whether you believe I'm a "moron" or not.
If you really look at the thread, and the icons, it is clear that I'm obviously still responding to your post. With that said, I may have gone a little over-the-top with the "moron" post myself...sorry about that. However, since I see now that K OKeefe likes your post, I'm going to have to follow you closely from now on.
I will agree though, that I can definitely be a moron. Everyone is capable of it, and unfortunately most of us are guilty at certain times.
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Awhhhhhh, I thought you "ignored" me? but, You like me, you really like me! ....straight away sir, on its way with extra special sauce.
I will admit, that was funny...kudos.
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