I don't understand the need to say I told you so from a few people who thought Jewell would be good when I am sure there are countless other players that didn't turn out that way. Jewell is a really good player so how about people just enjoy the fact he is on the team?
Josey Jewell
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The most important thing about guys like Josey and CJ is there leadership abilities & their strong authoritative personalities. Steady, in control, dedicated off the field and passionate and dynamic on it.Yes they're awesome athletes but Iowa's problem hasn't been talented athletes, it's been inconsistent effort, dropped balls, missed blocks and no peer accountability. These guys have accountability in spades and it has rubbed off on the team. You hear it in every interview by pretty much every player. We have had some kids in recent years, 1 in particular playing in the NFL who was a pretty poor example and gave pretty sketchy effort.
I can't stress enough... leadership, chemistry, camaraderie, consistency are the keys to success in every venue in life. And on a semi-related note these boards are microcosms of the world. Its sad and unfortunate but when people come on here with anger, sharing all their nasty negative vitriol and "constantly" (not just from time to time but the same people ALL the time) calling out everything from coaching to play calling to recruiting?! Well it sets itself up for people to hold grudges and the need to "show" them...its a pretty typical emotional response and is practiced by both sides.
Interestingly enough one side berates and questions people not here to defend themselves and the other side berates them for being so nasty and uncomfortable to be around. Both sides wasting their time quite frankly, but something I've always taught my kids. Don't stand around constantly complaining about something or someone, no one wants to hear it. But if you have to, side with the people or entity not there to defend themselves. Dont ever go with the angry mob, they are short-sighted and cowardly. True heroes who make a righteous stand don't stand around pointing fingers and pissing and moaning. If you feel strongly about something, 1st make sure you have truly looked things over and are certain of what you think and then take action, don't complain.
I can't stress enough... leadership, chemistry, camaraderie, consistency are the keys to success in every venue in life. And on a semi-related note these boards are microcosms of the world. Its sad and unfortunate but when people come on here with anger, sharing all their nasty negative vitriol and "constantly" (not just from time to time but the same people ALL the time) calling out everything from coaching to play calling to recruiting?! Well it sets itself up for people to hold grudges and the need to "show" them...its a pretty typical emotional response and is practiced by both sides.
Interestingly enough one side berates and questions people not here to defend themselves and the other side berates them for being so nasty and uncomfortable to be around. Both sides wasting their time quite frankly, but something I've always taught my kids. Don't stand around constantly complaining about something or someone, no one wants to hear it. But if you have to, side with the people or entity not there to defend themselves. Dont ever go with the angry mob, they are short-sighted and cowardly. True heroes who make a righteous stand don't stand around pointing fingers and pissing and moaning. If you feel strongly about something, 1st make sure you have truly looked things over and are certain of what you think and then take action, don't complain.
Yes I have been thinking the same thing for sometime!
We can talk about being flashy but guys like Jewell, King, beatgard, kittle, Johnson and vandeberg are winning football players. Guys like Jewell and angerer are reasons why you have a good defense. We saw what good leadership, team culture, no agendas can have a positive influence on a team.
I always wondered if guys like Jewell, Scherff, Paulsens brothers etc if they would play HS ball somewhere like Chicago or St Louis area instead of lower class Iowa how many more offers they would have had.
You also need both talent and intangibles to be great. Without talent you can have all the heart and leadership in the world and you won't be any good. And yes there has been years when Iowa has lacked talent.
Considering Scherff had other p5 offers and was rated one tenth of a point below the 4 star level, he prolly could have racked up a few more..Alot of kids today gain offers from attending alot of these camps. Being from a talent hot bed will increase the chance of being noticed, but attendance/quality performance,at a camp or two, does as well.. I'm not sure how many camps Jewell or the Paulsen's attended..
Just getting to this thread, and for the record I did not say that. Your act is tired.
Really?! You honestly think I care if "U" think my act is getting old?! I do this because I'm tired of you and your cronies being a life suck!!! For the record I'll concede I "extrapolated the "Lbers" part....what you really said was the whole team was slow and unathletic. Here is what Heat Dawg has you on record for....take it up with him…
Originally posted by Pepperman:
Like most on here, I cannot claim to be "excited" for Iowa football this year. I'm sick of the same old crap - slow, unathletic, plodding, brutal-to-watch football. Iowa doesn't get the ball into the hands of its best skill players, which is rule #1 of the college game.
Two potential reasons to be excited though:
1) Anything better than 8-4 will come out of nowhere.
2) Anything worse than 6-6 and KF is probably gone.
Yup, we'll go 7-5.
Really?! You honestly think I care if "U" think my act is getting old?! I do this because I'm annoying!!! For the record I'll concede I "extrapolated the "Lbers" part....what you really said was the whole team was slow and unathletic. Here is what Heat Dawg has you on record for....take it up with him…
Originally posted by Pepperman:
Like most on here, I cannot claim to be "excited" for Iowa football this year. I'm sick of the same old crap - slow, unathletic, plodding, brutal-to-watch football. Iowa doesn't get the ball into the hands of its best skill players, which is rule #1 of the college game.
Two potential reasons to be excited though:
1) Anything better than 8-4 will come out of nowhere.
2) Anything worse than 6-6 and KF is probably gone.
Yup, we'll go 7-5.
FIFY
Contribute very little or not at all. Hmmm. Afraid you're going to have to put out a lot more names than just the few listed.
Huh? Did I say something confusing ? If a 2-star or walkon becomes a factor they pretty much always hit the field by the latest Soph year otherwise they don't contribute!
I'm sure there are some outliers but go look yourself
That is probably pretty true of a lot players whether two star or not.
Well, to be fair, that quote that heat_dawg posted is probably one of the harsher things I've said about the program I love to cheer for and follow. 2014 was a tough year - I was very angry that we never played another QB through all of 2013, and then the debacle of 2014 piled up to the point I was fine with KF leaving or being fired. Dismissing the Nebraska loss with "That's football", the joke of a bowl performance we had against Tennessee, and the refusal to play the best QB had me fed up. Thankfully 2015 came along and washed most of the negative stuff down the river, although I feel sick about how it all ended - those kids deserved better for how hard they worked.
As I've said here before, I can only recall a few times where I've openly been against the coaching staff on playing time:
1) I thought Brad Banks was better than Kyle McCann in 2001.
2) I thought Ricky Stanzi was better than Jake Christensen in 2008.
3) I didn't think James Vendenberg should have played EVERY SINGLE snap in 2013.
4) I openly pined for Beathard over Rudock. This was, I think, without a doubt my loudest moment.
There are some more minor ones like Jordan Bernstine, Damon Powell, and probably several I've totally forgotten about (don't think I was ever a big "Niko Law" guy to my credit!)
I've also written the following words over and over again on this website: Get the football in the hands of your best playmakers, and do it repeatedly. This is something I still think other programs do a better job of, and I think it is the most important rule of COLLEGE football. But that's about the only criticism I'd have of the staff, and it's offset by their ability to find / develop / prepare hidden talent.
You are missing some KEY elements. 1) Do you ever think kids develop from 1 year to the next? (Meaning when the player finally did play and he had a good year maybe, just maybe he wasn't as good the year before - for various reasons). 2) You look at ability to make an impact on the field but what about ability to make an impact in the lockerroom, in the program and in life - i will say once again - unless you've coached you truly cannot understand the impact of playing talented kids that don't do things the right way off the field. I think the Iowa staff really gets this! It is the sum of one's parts not just a single part that will ultimately lead to a programs rise or demise. 3) Every fan always lists the few players in which "they told you so". But truth be told they have many that they are wrong on that they conveniently forget about.
This is a fine post, and very well said. I honestly didn’t read Peppers rebuttal. Quite frankly I really don’t care to hear the rationalizing or reasoning behind being so pi%@$% so I added him to “the Dave list” and just skip over what they have to say. Thats the nice thing about the alerts, you can see who responded and skip over whomever you don't care to listen too...LOL
I’ve been a business leader for a long time and the bitching and whining turns everyone off except those that like to bitch & whine. They disguise it as being enlightened” and it’s how “change comes” but I’ve been enough places and worked with enough people to know that’s bull shit. Whenever I get a chance I call it what it is…
Kudos, good post and I agree both sides remember and forget plenty, but honestly there is so much philosophically and logically wrong with their constant complaints its pointless to debate further. Everyone is trying to play their best people and get their best players in space. Interestingly enough the other team is doing the opposite. There have been multiple people refute their idiocy 1000 plus times I’m not going to do it again here.
Taking these in order:
1) yes, of course, kids develop. Many would say Brad Banks from 2001-2002 is a great example. I'm ok with that.
2) I'd say CJ is the epitome of making an impact with other players both ON AND OFF the field. His obvious leadership (remember he brought us back at Pitt) is a quality I think we all agree on?
3) yes, I'm guilty of this. Fair point.
One counterpoint and fell free to tell me I'm an idiot. Did Jake Rudock get his chance to develop from one year to the next when JVB took every single snap in 2013?
I call this post Complaining about complaining
The coaches see the entire movie, we only see a snapshot. I don't know why they didn't play anyone ? That was strange but they certainly have their reasons and this is based off having alot more information and years of knowledge. Maybe he didn't deserve it, wasn't ready, ??? The other thing that players like about KF but the media/fans don't always appreciate (because people like the juicy info) is that he doesn't throw players under the bus and keeps team info within the team. So yes, that was a headscratcher and not sure what the rationale was?? And whatever the reason I'm sure it was well discussed and they made the best decision they thought for the program using all the info and knowledge they had. And while we would like to know thus decision was on a "need to know only" basis.
Back to Josie - The one thing I remember that year when I was really following recruiting... there was a post by someone way more knowledgeable than me (may have been a different site) who really followed the Iowa High School scene. He ran down the pros and cons of a bunch of the remaining Iowa H.S. stars. It was late in the game and it was clear we were going to take a few more kids and this was a great rundown of the better players in the state.
I distinctily remember when he mentioned Josie Jewell: "Probably the hardest hitter in the state."
That is all I remember, and I was glad he got an 11th hour scholarship.
Maybe there is a lesson there somewhere: seek out the one kid in the state that is the hardest hitter, even if he doesn't have the size or measurables and give the kid a scholarship!
I am sure glad the OUTLAW is a Hawk!
I distinctily remember when he mentioned Josie Jewell: "Probably the hardest hitter in the state."
That is all I remember, and I was glad he got an 11th hour scholarship.
Maybe there is a lesson there somewhere: seek out the one kid in the state that is the hardest hitter, even if he doesn't have the size or measurables and give the kid a scholarship!
I am sure glad the OUTLAW is a Hawk!
I thought Jewell would be good as I really liked his athleticism. I don't know if people could have predicted he would be this good so quickly. He is looking at potentially being a 2x All-American. The guy is a huge difference maker on defense.
When Josey signed I said that everything that reminded me a lot of Brandon Myers. He was a great multi-sport athlete at a smaller school. Decorah is 3a in everything and PCM was 2a/3a I believe. Brandon was probably a better basketball player in high school. Josey played basketball and baseball. I told a bunch of friends when Iowa signed Josey. "Here is the smaller school late signing, but he'll be good. Don't know where and don't care where he plays. But he will do well for Iowa. "
I too love how some posters love to hijack a thread and complain about others complaining. They must honestly think when someone post something negative on a message board it affects how the team plays...smh Josey Jewell is one of those IOWA kids that bleeds BLACK & GOLD and makes this program special.
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Crucified is a real stretch. There was legitimate concern and for good reason as stated several times already.
No doubt Josey's first year he was a RTR 1) Read 2) Think 3) React player making him a step slow. Last year he became a RR 1) Read 2) React player and he played a lot faster.
Josey has only played 14 games at the MlB spot in his life I think thats what makes it crazy how good he could be and i'm pretty sure the staff did not see this coming i believe T Perry was going to be the MLB and Josey on the outside but they gave Josey a few reps for backup at the middle if needed and the rest is history,
And Josey was only a 2*, just think how many Hawk fans were probably irritated that Iowa gave him a scholly. I think it safe to say the rating Gods missed on Jewell.......LOL
I think it safe to say the rating Gods missed on Jewell.......LOL
I don't believe you and I disagree much and I don’t stick around enough to remember. But you quoted my friend who I purposely avoid (I hope he doesn’t end up with the winning Lotto numbers one day…
) so here is my thought, not necessarily directed at you…The 3 biggest lies message board patrons tell themselves…..
1) I’m entitled to my opinion and I’m just telling it how I see it……Yes you are but so is everyone else and they are entitled to tell you that they find you boorish and unenjoyable to be around.
2) It’s not like I affect the team or anyone else…..well in my most polite voice bull^#$. There are all kinds of studies out there about how badly negative attitudes affect their surroundings and infiltrate everything around a business/program. Let’s think about this for a second, player A,B,C is already disgruntled, player A, B, C gets on message board or players family does and viola…So again Bull^%$! Don’t tell me it doesn’t affect anything, it affects everything!!
3) This board would be a boring place if everyone agreed…again I say bull&^$%^. In theory yes that sounds great, but you can disagree and not be a jackwad. Case in point no one likes it when I’m condescending and caustic. Well that’s how you sound and people don’t like it. Learn how to express your dissatisfaction in a better manner. That wouldn’t fly in a boardroom. meeting room, in a study setting, with your employees, with your bosses, etc..
Here is the rub; there are some awesome new studies out there about negativity vs positivity and how “each” rewires you brain to view the entire world with whatever slant becomes the norm for you. It’s cool stuff and has made a dramatic affect on us here at work. Typically if people spent as much time looking at “what” went wrong as opposed to leaping to what we “didn’t do” or “should have done” they’d be more believable.
Finally to my critics, do you really think I do this on accident or it’s my normal state?! If you find me offensives it is by design. I want you to feel like you make other people feel. My wife tells me I can’t police the world and the Truth is it actually affects my attitude at home being around this crap. That’s why I have to leave after a few forays. Because truly its painful….for all of us.
PS...The most informative guys on this site are always the ones who are more pleasant and less reactionary. Not flowers and sunshine, but middle of the road and in control of their attitudes and rhetoric. As you can see, I’m one of the more obnoxious at times, but I am far from alone in my disgust.
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What does this have to do with Josey Jewell ? Oh I'm sorry you're still not finished trying to hijack this thread with what you feel others have a right to post, carry on. Btw I have a funny feeling you would have been one of those people who backed a guy named (HITLER) without any question. Let that one sink in for awhile.I don't believe you and I disagree much and I don’t stick around enough to remember. But you quoted my friend who I purposely avoid (I hope he doesn’t end up with the winning Lotto numbers one day…
The 3 biggest lies message board patrons tell themselves…..
1) I’m entitled to my opinion and I’m just telling it how I see it……Yes you are but so is everyone else and they are entitled to tell you that they find you boorish and unenjoyable to be around.
2) It’s not like I affect the team or anyone else…..well in my most polite voice bull^#$. There are all kinds of studies out there about how badly negative attitudes affect their surroundings and infiltrate everything around a business/program. Let’s think about this for a second, player A,B,C is already disgruntled, player A, B, C gets on message board or players family does and viola…So again Bull^%$! Don’t tell me it doesn’t affect anything, it affects everything!!
3) This board would be a boring place if everyone agreed…again I say bull&^$%^. In theory yes that sounds great, but you can disagree and not be a jackwad. Case in point no one likes it when I’m condescending and caustic. Well that’s how you sound and people don’t like it. Learn how to express your dissatisfaction in a better manner. That wouldn’t fly in a boardroom. meeting room, in a study setting, with your employees, with your bosses, etc..
Here is the rub; there are some awesome new studies out there about negativity vs positivity and how “each” rewires you brain to view the entire world with whatever slant becomes the norm for you. It’s cool stuff and has made a dramatic affect on us here at work. Typically if people spent as much time looking at “what” went wrong as opposed to leaping to what we “didn’t do” or “should have done” they’d be more believable.
Finally to my critics, do you really think I do this on accident or it’s my normal state?! If you find me offensives it is by design. I want you to feel like you make other people feel. My wife tells me I can’t police the world and the Truth is it actually affects my attitude at home being around this crap. That’s why I have to leave after a few forays. Because truly its painful….for all of us.
PS...The most informative guys on this site are always the ones who are more pleasant and less reactionary. Not flowers and sunshine, but middle of the road and in control of their attitudes and rhetoric. As you can see, I’m one of the more obnoxious at times, but I am far from alone in my disgust.
Nice try already been done find the last thread where it was mentioned and I'll give you my research on that.
That's another tactic people try to use to discredit opposing views.
Incidentally I thought I should add, you do understand the angry mob is Hitler!
People anonymously on a message board denigrating the efforts of people in the field of battle not here to defend themselves is Hitler!! It's not the other way around that just shows how shortsighted people really are.
You sacrafic championships when you live this way. If FSU, Aubrurn, USC, etc live by these values half their team is benched.
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