Josh Ogundele
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Josh won't be stopped on defense, either. 
However, in this example, Josh secures the rebound, gets it stolen from him, and....
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However, in this example, Josh secures the rebound, gets it stolen from him, and....
Watch:
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Cannot teach that size and athleticism. Based on the recent snapshots, seems likely he will be in the mix for more than spot minutes. He still seems raw, which is to be expected. But could see him being a force his last two years.
These videos are encouraging. Hopefully they translate to some skillful play on the court when the bullets really start flying.
The big man is putting in the work and getting himself into basketball shape. JO will be a factor this year...mark it down.
hope you are right.
i hope he can stay in the game for good stretches without getting tired
Josh won't be stopped on defense, either.
However, in this example, Josh secures the rebound, gets it stolen from him, and....
Watch:
Josh has some big balls.
Sam Perkins and Jack Sikma were babies when the OSBM laced up his canvas sneakers. Jerry Lucas? Dave Cowens? Not to mention a young Big E, Elvin Hayes.
it will be interesting to see if he ends up starting, based on the match up.
against Illinois, it would be fun to see him in there, banging around.
Fran will adjust his rotations but I don't see him changing the starting lineup more than once in a season
Another point to make about having Josh O in the lineup is the decrease in caution he would have as compared to Luka the last 2 years.
Luka became a not terrible defender, but I think he was hampered even more by the fact that he had to be careful not to get into foul trouble as they couldn't afford to have him on the bench for any extended time as the offense went through him. That would not at all be the case for Josh O. Not that I want him to be flailing at everyone on D, but he could take a pretty aggressive posture in the paint protecting the rim.
Luka became a not terrible defender, but I think he was hampered even more by the fact that he had to be careful not to get into foul trouble as they couldn't afford to have him on the bench for any extended time as the offense went through him. That would not at all be the case for Josh O. Not that I want him to be flailing at everyone on D, but he could take a pretty aggressive posture in the paint protecting the rim.
This. I was pleasantly surprised then and getting more and more excited about this group going into the season.
Sorry, who is OSBM? For some reason I am drawing a blank. I thought we were talking centers. What little I remember of Jerry Lucas, he might have been the original stretch 4, but I didn't remember him as a center. Loved the big E, but also thought he played the four as much or more than the 5, but you are stretching my memory. Cowens was on TV a lot with the Celtics and split time between the 4 and 5. He did a ton of post work to score, and loved his J from the elbow, but I seem to remember Sikma being one of the first 7 footers to face guys up and go deeper or take them off the dribble from outside. All truly great players. However the term stretch 4, as I remember was more a child of the 90s and after.
Jerry Lucas' biggest years were as a center with the Cincinnati Royals. Center forward with the Knicks, depending on Willis Reed's health. Cowen was a straight up center. Paul Silas and Don Nelson were the "power forwards" and Hondo was a "small forward", or shooting guard. The great Jo Jo White was their point guard. The national game on Sunday seemed to always have either the Celtics or Knicks playing either the Lakers or the Bucks or some combination of those four teams. Our regional game was the old Division that had Bucks, Bulls, KC-O Kings or Detroit Pistons (Dave Bing time). It seemed there was always a fight in those divisional games.
You're right about that term but it was just a new way to describe an old style of player. Sikma's outside fall away was sweet and he played on an outstanding team so he was getting a lot of hype, well deserved of course. His high profile games were also played against the very traditional low post centers like Kareem and Wes Unseld. Of course, Jack was a tremendous player and I think he did make the outside shot more popular for big kids. Now if I had a kid 6'10 or up he wouldn't be watching Sikma tape, he'd be watching Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq Daddy and they guys that just dominated the low post. Getting the ball to the biggest guy on the floor as close to the basket as possible will always be the best opportunity to score.
In truth there was a "stretch 5" that was probably the best "stretch" guy ever at that position way back in the 50s and early 60s. Bob Petit. I'm not old enough to remember his live game but have seen some historical video and, of course, read a lot about him in Basketball Weekly (maybe monthly). He blew away the stereotype that centers had to all play like George Mikan. Shot from all over the court, including deep jumpers. Very historic, first guy over 2000 in a season, a 78 game season I think.
You're right about that term but it was just a new way to describe an old style of player. Sikma's outside fall away was sweet and he played on an outstanding team so he was getting a lot of hype, well deserved of course. His high profile games were also played against the very traditional low post centers like Kareem and Wes Unseld. Of course, Jack was a tremendous player and I think he did make the outside shot more popular for big kids. Now if I had a kid 6'10 or up he wouldn't be watching Sikma tape, he'd be watching Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq Daddy and they guys that just dominated the low post. Getting the ball to the biggest guy on the floor as close to the basket as possible will always be the best opportunity to score.
In truth there was a "stretch 5" that was probably the best "stretch" guy ever at that position way back in the 50s and early 60s. Bob Petit. I'm not old enough to remember his live game but have seen some historical video and, of course, read a lot about him in Basketball Weekly (maybe monthly). He blew away the stereotype that centers had to all play like George Mikan. Shot from all over the court, including deep jumpers. Very historic, first guy over 2000 in a season, a 78 game season I think.
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agreed. I think our starting 5 is JoeT, JBo, PMac, Keegan and Filip and then based on who we are playing determines playing time
Can Josh stay on the floor this year and not get tired?
I still feel (and I guess we’ll just have to wait and see), (unless by some chance Fran announces it before the season starts and I doubt he would), that the best starting 5 will have Tony Perkins starting over Jordan Bohannon, with JBo coming in off the bench. Bohannon has the experience and better (so far anyway) outside shot, ( free throw %). Every other part of the game swings heavily in Perkins favor. Loyalty only goes so far and from everything I’ve heard Perkins is the one player standing out in practice every time anyone asks who was playing really well. Ach maybe I’m wrong and JBo starts. Can’t wait to see for myself
The good news is they likely don't need him beyond 3-5 minute chunks at a time. Play as hard as he can for as long as he can. Rest, play some more if effecitive.
The change in his body is very encouraging. He's put himself in a place physically where he can be on the floor. I would caution folks that he hasn't played against good competition, at all (other than practice last year). Olaseni was in a somewhat similar situation coming from England, although he did play a year at a school in Kansas. Olaseni was a great athlete, and it took him a year or so to really find his footing as a Big 10 player.
Looks like the big guy has put in the work. Good for him.
Josh always impressed me with how well he ran the floor when he got a chance to play. I guess the question then, and now, is how many times can he do that and still keep up with the action.
I don't care too much who starts as long as the right players get the right amount of minutes.
and at the end of games I would want JBo in there simply for the FT shooting
Sure, if Iowa has the lead and the opponent is fouling. Or, possibly, if it's tight and the intent is to run sets specifically to get him some looks from deep.
Otherwise, I want the majority of minutes at the 2 to go to the other options on the roster with Perkins being the primary recipient.
In a year that has low expectations for final results(i.e. NCAA tourney) I'd rather see looking to the future than hanging on to the past.
The problem with calling for Perkins, now, over Bohannon is Perkins is entirely potential and Jordan is a historic shooter-the statistical best in Iowa history.
I hope Tony has developed a credible jumper and improved his ball handling skills, that would be a great added weapon in what I hope is a real slashing attacking game. Tony has defensive advantages over Jordan, but, in the end, you have to outscore your opponent and you need shooters to prevent lane clogging defenses. Tony isn't getting the spectacular dunk if he has to go through three men to get there.
Not a criticism of Tony's potential. He seems and the rumors and player statements seem to confirm, a serious, hard working talented player. I'm just not ready to bench the best shooter in school history as the shooting guard until I see a ton of improvement from a kid that has taken only 3 three point shots.
I hope Tony has developed a credible jumper and improved his ball handling skills, that would be a great added weapon in what I hope is a real slashing attacking game. Tony has defensive advantages over Jordan, but, in the end, you have to outscore your opponent and you need shooters to prevent lane clogging defenses. Tony isn't getting the spectacular dunk if he has to go through three men to get there.
Not a criticism of Tony's potential. He seems and the rumors and player statements seem to confirm, a serious, hard working talented player. I'm just not ready to bench the best shooter in school history as the shooting guard until I see a ton of improvement from a kid that has taken only 3 three point shots.
I don't know about always. While Luka was obviously a great low post scorer, him shooting 44% from three is about the same as shooting 60% from two with the same number of attempts. Just sayin, all depends on the players strengths and skills.....
When I first watched him play in one of our games, I saw that he had the propensity to go to the rim to swat. Was Gabe a swatter?
I noticed that his left hand finish seems to come off his palm rather than his findertips, which is a bit odd. His right hand seems a bit more like it's off the fingers like normal.
This. We lost a lot of scoring off last years team. Is the soph version of Perkins a capable and consistent scoring threat? If the answer turns out to be yes he may work his way into the starting rotation. JBO is a proven scorer, and hard-nosed vet though. If Perkins moves past Bohannon the season might just be better than expected.
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