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Should have some good semi matches coming up.

66 kg
Retherford vs. Stroker
V Joseph vs. Crone

74 kg
Nolf Vs. L Massa
Hammond (beat Manville 8-0) vs. Marsteller
 
Tough draw for Thomsen with Retherford right off the bat.. couple nice wins in the consis

Champ. Round 1: Zain Retherford (Nittany Lion Wrestling Club) over Max Thomsen (DC Elite) (TF 10-0)
Cons. Round 1: Max Thomsen (DC Elite) over Nick Zanetta (PWC RTC) (TF 11-0)
Cons. Round 2: Max Thomsen (DC Elite) over Geordan Martinez (Bronco Wrestling Club) (TF 10-0)
 
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Should have some good semi matches coming up.

66 kg
Retherford vs. Stroker
V Joseph vs. Crone

74 kg
Nolf Vs. L Massa
Hammond (beat Manville 8-0) vs. Marsteller

Retherford pinned Stroker (Stroker vs Thomsen next)
Joseph won

Massa over Nolf 9-8
Marsteller won by TF
 
Max Thomsen looked very good today. I have not seen him much before, but he is impressive. Even though he lost to Stroker in consy semis, I'm not sure I wouldn't take Thomsen long term. He also was a gamer vs. Retherford despite the score. Although Stroker was also, for a period.

I'll amend it, both kids look good today.
 
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Best 2 out of 3

50 kg Lee TF Danny Vega 10-0 in less than a minute

55 kg Stevan Micic beats D Fix 7-4

60 kg Brock Zacherl wins by TF 11-0

66 kg Pico over Retherford 5-2

74kg Hall TF Marsteller 10-0 in less than 30 seconds

84 kg Z Valencia wins by TF 10-0

96 kg Cassar wins by TF 12-2.

120 kg Butler wins by TF
 
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Round 2

Lee wins by TF 10-0 in less than 2 minutes - Lee wins 2 matches - 0

Micic beats Fix again 10-4, Micic wins 2 matches - 0.

Zacherl wins by TF again.

Pico > Retherford 6-2.

Hall by fall over Marsteller.

Boy am I glad that Lee and Hall will be Hawkeyes. ;)

Z Valencia with the fall.

Cassar with another TF.

Butler with the TF.

All 2-0 winners. No third matches today.
 
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Surprised A. Valencia isn't there
He's wrestling the senior bracket.I believe McKenna and A Valencia may qualify for a special wrestle off like Stoll did, but I am unfamiliar with those specifics?
 
Heard Marable didn't make weight. Thanks for clarifying on the Valencia thing guys
 
Hall and Lee. Hall and Lee. Hall and Lee. Let's all make that our mantra for the next several months.

Seriously, though, extremely impressive by both kids. I was particularly impressed by the way Hall just absolutely took apart all-everything Marsteller in back-to-back matches. The TF seemed impressive, and then he goes and sticks him in the next match.

Two very special young wrestlers, to be sure. And both would look fantastic in black and gold.
 
Hall and Lee. Hall and Lee. Hall and Lee. Let's all make that our mantra for the next several months.

Seriously, though, extremely impressive by both kids. I was particularly impressed by the way Hall just absolutely took apart all-everything Marsteller in back-to-back matches. The TF seemed impressive, and then he goes and sticks him in the next match.

Two very special young wrestlers, to be sure. And both would look fantastic in black and gold.

Just got done watching both matches...a question WDM: How did you see the matches? On Flo? Hehe. Anyways, Danny Vega is no slouch and it was like Lee said, "Here, hold my beer." Same with Hall. I've said it before and I think there is a seismic shift coming in USA wrestling's talent. Just when you think that nobody can be better than a Marstellar, a guy like Hall comes along. Even a guy like Logan Massa beats Nolf without ever having stepped on a college mat. He beat him on pure TDs. Massa sure doesn't have his brother's gas tank problems...he was able to hang with Nolf who I am also very excited about unfortunately. Jason is going to be a great college wrestler...top 4 his first year and multiple championships if he can stay at 157. Too much chain wrestling for his opponents and he is a beast on top.

While some of this is bad news for my Hawks, its good news for freestyle. The reason I think there is a huge difference in talent, even from four to five years ago is because a Lee, Hall, Valencias etc all LOVE what they do...you can tell. I believe this is key because there is a difference between being good at what you do, and doing it because...well that's what you've always done. Those guys, like a Marstellar, tend to take a step back in college with a little freedom. A Hall or a Lee will not. Same with Nolf. Anyways, enough with my nonsensical rambling. The future is very bright for our sport.
 
Just got done watching both matches...a question WDM: How did you see the matches? On Flo? Hehe. Anyways, Danny Vega is no slouch and it was like Lee said, "Here, hold my beer." Same with Hall. I've said it before and I think there is a seismic shift coming in USA wrestling's talent. Just when you think that nobody can be better than a Marstellar, a guy like Hall comes along. Even a guy like Logan Massa beats Nolf without ever having stepped on a college mat. He beat him on pure TDs. Massa sure doesn't have his brother's gas tank problems...he was able to hang with Nolf who I am also very excited about unfortunately. Jason is going to be a great college wrestler...top 4 his first year and multiple championships if he can stay at 157. Too much chain wrestling for his opponents and he is a beast on top.

While some of this is bad news for my Hawks, its good news for freestyle. The reason I think there is a huge difference in talent, even from four to five years ago is because a Lee, Hall, Valencias etc all LOVE what they do...you can tell. I believe this is key because there is a difference between being good at what you do, and doing it because...well that's what you've always done. Those guys, like a Marstellar, tend to take a step back in college with a little freedom. A Hall or a Lee will not. Same with Nolf. Anyways, enough with my nonsensical rambling. The future is very bright for our sport.
Is Martinez giving up the sport to help Nolf win his "multiple championships"?
 
Is Martinez giving up the sport to help Nolf win his "multiple championships"?

Nobody has to give up anything...Nolf can hang with anybody and potentially beat Martinez. He took second at the Scuffle losing by 3 points to Green and he beat Realbuto. Be honest...if he were a redshirting Hawk, we would be anointing him as a contender. I have no problem projecting Nolf as a two-timer if he can keep his weight down. Plus, I don't know how long Martinez is going to stay at 157 anyways. Yea, this scenario sucks for us so I hope I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
Nobody has to give up anything...Nolf can hang with anybody and potentially beat Martinez. He took second at the Scuffle losing by 3 points to Green and he beat Realbuto. Be honest...if he were a redshirting Hawk, we would be anointing him as a contender. I have no problem projecting Nolf as a two-timer if he can keep his weight down. Plus, I don't know how long Martinez is going to stay at 157 anyways. Yea, this scenario sucks for us so I hope I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
When Cael was recently interviewed I think he said Nolf hasn't decided on 157/165 yet for this year. Time will tell.
 
Just got done watching both matches...a question WDM: How did you see the matches? On Flo? Hehe. Anyways, Danny Vega is no slouch and it was like Lee said, "Here, hold my beer." Same with Hall. I've said it before and I think there is a seismic shift coming in USA wrestling's talent. Just when you think that nobody can be better than a Marstellar, a guy like Hall comes along. Even a guy like Logan Massa beats Nolf without ever having stepped on a college mat. He beat him on pure TDs. Massa sure doesn't have his brother's gas tank problems...he was able to hang with Nolf who I am also very excited about unfortunately. Jason is going to be a great college wrestler...top 4 his first year and multiple championships if he can stay at 157. Too much chain wrestling for his opponents and he is a beast on top.

While some of this is bad news for my Hawks, its good news for freestyle. The reason I think there is a huge difference in talent, even from four to five years ago is because a Lee, Hall, Valencias etc all LOVE what they do...you can tell. I believe this is key because there is a difference between being good at what you do, and doing it because...well that's what you've always done. Those guys, like a Marstellar, tend to take a step back in college with a little freedom. A Hall or a Lee will not. Same with Nolf. Anyways, enough with my nonsensical rambling. The future is very bright for our sport.

Didn't get to see them, Az. Just going on scores posted here. However it looked, it's beyond impressive.
 
I'm not sure why Anthony Valencia is wrestling seniors. He will not earn a special wrestle off at the Junior level because he is not a returning Jr. World medalist like Stoll & McKenna. Yea, it is better competition, but who is to say he is better than Hall anyway? He sure isn't beating Burroughs, Taylor, or Dake to make the senior national team. A talent like Anthony should at least be on our Junior national team, but now he can not be. I think his brother Zahid has a great shot at winning Jr. Worlds.
 
Nobody has to give up anything...Nolf can hang with anybody and potentially beat Martinez. He took second at the Scuffle losing by 3 points to Green and he beat Realbuto. Be honest...if he were a redshirting Hawk, we would be anointing him as a contender. I have no problem projecting Nolf as a two-timer if he can keep his weight down. Plus, I don't know how long Martinez is going to stay at 157 anyways. Yea, this scenario sucks for us so I hope I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

I'm with ya AZ... The kid is going to be a wrecking ball in folk. Tremendous scrambler, offensive dynamo, suffocating on top, and a huge gas tank. Eerily reminded me of DT.
 
I'm with ya AZ... The kid is going to be a wrecking ball in folk. Tremendous scrambler, offensive dynamo, suffocating on top, and a huge gas tank. Eerily reminded me of DT.
Having a good redshirt year and beating an undefeated national champ that is also an extremely good chain wrestler and more explosive athlete is a wait and see for me. Several people have had as good of redshirt years as Nolf, and being a multiple time champ is far from a given for any of them (Jordan, Clark). Nolf lost to James Green 3 tds to 0, and there are also caveats to his win over Realbuto. FWIW, He would have been an AA last year, but if Martinez stays healthy he will be my pick until Nolf really proves it
 
I'm not crowning anyone or penciling him in as an NCAA champion next season... Just agreeing with AZ this he IS a contender. Kid's legit AF.
 
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Nolf may lose a couple of matches but they won't be one side (my opinion) given he has a gas tank, is good in all 3 positions and scrambles well. And if he does lose, I want to see video since his loses during the FS season have been full of action! That is what makes him a fan friendly kid to watch. Hopefully any loses during the regular season can be reversed clme tourny time.

All that said....I am not a guy to wager against Imart!
 
Nolf may lose a couple of matches but they won't be one side (my opinion) given he has a gas tank, is good in all 3 positions and scrambles well. And if he does lose, I want to see video since his loses during the FS season have been full of action! That is what makes him a fan friendly kid to watch. Hopefully any loses during the regular season can be reversed clme tourny time.

All that said....I am not a guy to wager against Imart!
Nolf will have a Sorenson type year. He will beat a few big names, lose to a few big names and finish in the top 4
 
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Nolf may lose a couple of matches but they won't be one side (my opinion) given he has a gas tank, is good in all 3 positions and scrambles well. And if he does lose, I want to see video since his loses during the FS season have been full of action! That is what makes him a fan friendly kid to watch. Hopefully any loses during the regular season can be reversed clme tourny time.

All that said....I am not a guy to wager against Imart!
Admittedly, I don't know all that much about Nolf, but I expect Penn State's high end recruits to be real good. Just like I expect Iowa's and Minnesota's and Oklahoma State's and Cornell's and so on and so forth. So that puts Nolf in the same boat as about 100 other kids(all classes), IMO. Including Thomas Gilman who actually did beat the Defending National Champion, and subsequently lost his starting spot on his own team. AZ expressed an opinion, and I expressed one as well in the form of a question. That is all. Not trying to argue with anyone, I just think there are a lot of really good guys in that same boat, including several currently wearing Black and Gold.
 
I don't mean to put Nolf on any kind of pedestal. But I do see him in much the way I saw Quentin Wright after his true freshman year. A lot were so impressed with Andrew Howe and I can' falt them but I simply stated I'd rather watch Wright and the way he wrestled rather than those who are more about position etc rather than putting on a show.......just my preference.

I agree there are always new very talented kids coming on to the college scene and I just hope the guys Cael & staff brings in are kids that are not afraid to lose. As much as I'd enjoy winning titles, Id prefer to enjoy what I'm watching! I suspect that is what most on here would want also (hopefully titles follow).
 
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