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Just paid off the house...

Ah, the age-old conundrum -- pay off the mortgage or invest in other vehicles. Stevenpatrick asked the most important question. I opted to invest in other vehicles. Here's why.

My mortgage is locked in at 3.75%. I have a fixed mortgage payment every month. I have dedicated a portion of my portfolio to produce an income yield that covers my monthly mortgage payment (plus additional growth). Thus, my mortgage is paid for outside of my salary, the income yield is more than the mortgage payment, and the remainder of my portfolio evidences a return much greater than 3.75%. The house will eventually be paid off, I still have the principal amount dedicated to producing the income yield plus I will realize the growth on that principal amount.

In real terms. I have $X that I could either (a) pay off my house; or (b) produce an income yield equivalent to my monthly mortgage. If I used $X to pay off my house, yes, I own my house outright, but that portion of my portfolio is $0 and I would take compounded results out of the picture. Basically, I would be hitting the "Savings Reset Button" with respected to that dedicated amount. By producing an income yield that covers my mortgage payment plus, my house will eventually be paid off, but I still have that dedicated principal amount ($X) plus potential growth. In addition, the remainder of my portfolio continues to grow (but would do so if the house was paid off as well).

However, anything that pays more than you mortgage interest has risk. Since I'm sure a person of your wealth has a large portfolio, I can't see how you would not find it reasonable to have a portion that earns a guaranteed 3.75%.

Plus, the lack of mortgage provides cash flow which is helpful if you ever have unforeseen expenses or interruption in income.

There's nothing wrong with paying off a mortgage.
 
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You didn't answer my question. What WAS your interest rate?

3.375%. My money market is paying 90bps of which i still have ample reserves in (truthfully i had too much cash...i love liquidity), i don't want to touch the bond market (only way to go is down unless you get lucky and interest rates stay flat), i ain't going long on certificates to buy rate, and i have plenty of equities so i figured if i am going to add more outside of my retirement vehicles it might as well be at a 15% discount.
 
I thought HROT only consisted of two types of home buyers. Those that bought into the 0 principal payment loan concept and the all cash buyers.
 
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A good American would now go out and buy a new home twice as expensive as the first.

Lol! Actually this is my case; we always upgrade to a house that we can't possibly payoff until we retire. I applaud people with the discipline to stay in a home that's well beneath what they could afford.
 
Yes, LOL to me even though you could have put that mortgage money to better use.
dgordo-take it from here.

It's silly to claim that no portion of your investments should be in something that guarantees you over a 3% return.
 
Lol! Actually this is my case; we always upgrade to a house that we can't possibly payoff until we retire. I applaud people with the discipline to stay in a home that's well beneath what they could afford.
We have staved off the temptation. So far. Bought a decent house 11 years ago that was a stretch for us at the time but now we could swing a house that costs two or three times as much. Every now and then a house comes up on Zillow that sure is tempting, but there is something to be said for being 1/3 of the way through (we refinanced) a modest 15-year mortgage.
 
Yes, LOL to me even though you could have put that mortgage money to better use.
dgordo-take it from here.

By doing things the way I have I am getting an automatic 15% return. Steve where are you getting an immediate and guaranteed 15% return?
 
We have staved off the temptation. So far. Bought a decent house 11 years ago that was a stretch for us at the time but now we could swing a house that costs two or three times as much. Every now and then a house comes up on Zillow that sure is tempting, but there is something to be said for being 1/3 of the way through (we refinanced) a modest 15-year mortgage.

It is tempting and a few years back we were seriously considering a home just over $500k in rural W Iowa but better judgement quickly came back to us as we knew we were only a few years from being able to just pay ours off, and we have a pretty nice house now in an area that is just perfect for our family (3 acres just outside of CB/Omaha...couldn't stand living in areas where houses are stacked up on each other, just seems gross to me to be packed that close together plus me and the boy don't have to go anywhere else to get in some BP and long toss).
 
However, anything that pays more than you mortgage interest has risk. Since I'm sure a person of your wealth has a large portfolio, I can't see how you would not find it reasonable to have a portion that earns a guaranteed 3.75%.

Plus, the lack of mortgage provides cash flow which is helpful if you ever have unforeseen expenses or interruption in income.

There's nothing wrong with paying off a mortgage.

Amen

Plus the whole freedom part of it, being in debt is almost like being enslaved to me. Steve and Dave might be ok walking away from their obligations when the going gets tough but if I make a promise/commitment to something I am going to honor it regardless of what my contractual rights are. Some might call that silly but I don't, too much old American values instilled in me I guess.
 
unIowa, that is a totally unfair assessment of me. I live in Las Vegas and purchased my home in January 2006 (i.e., the apex of the Vegas real estate boom). Even with putting 10% down, I had equity in the home for approximately two months. The market crashed and crashed hard. At the nadir, our home lost approximately 60% of its value. I could have very easily walked away from the home and/or short sold it, and could have purchased another home within 2 years, but I didn't. I have made every payment and have never asked the bank to "cut me a deal."

You may disagree with my financial strategy, and that's fine. But please don't ever question my character.
 
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unIowa, that is a totally unfair assessment of me. I live in Las Vegas and purchased my home in January 2006 (i.e., the apex of the Vegas real estate boom). Even with putting 10% down, I had equity in the home for approximately two months. The market crashed and crashed hard. At the nadir, our home lost approximately 60% of its value. I could have very easily walked away from the home and/or short sold it, and could have purchased another home within 2 years, but I didn't. I have made every payment and have never asked the bank to "cut me a deal."

You may disagree with my financial strategy, and that's fine. But please don't ever question my character.

I am glad you stuck with it Dave, it seemed iffy for awhile based on what you were posting. I retract what I stated earlier...you are a man of your word.

Now you might want to sell before Lake Mead goes dry and Vegas becomes a ghost town.
 
Already have been maxing out my retirement options and with plowing through the home mtg I have not saved for kids edu yet but that will start now (but that was by design...gotta take care of me and the Mrs first before taking care of kids future edu). Have 3, oldest is 10 and the youngest is 5, lucky that I can make money in bunches so this shouldn't be an issue.

Our goals now look like this. Save about $15k per year for kids EDU (older getting more than the younger ones at this point). Save up for an remodel of kitchen, main and master bath, and moving laundry upstairs (2-3 years away and guessing I will need $30-$50k). Also now starting my employee stock purchase and am planning on $1k per pay period ($24k per year...although there may be a cap slightly under that amount...15% discount on the shares).

I make my wife strip for me nightly...it was in our marriage contract.

You didn't need to tell us how well off you are, we all assumed it since you post in HROT. We all have so much damn money we don't know what to do with it.
 
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We have staved off the temptation. So far. Bought a decent house 11 years ago that was a stretch for us at the time but now we could swing a house that costs two or three times as much. Every now and then a house comes up on Zillow that sure is tempting, but there is something to be said for being 1/3 of the way through (we refinanced) a modest 15-year mortgage.

Let me say this one time, very clearly:

Remove the Zillow app from your device! It causes uncontrollable temptation!
 
It is tempting and a few years back we were seriously considering a home just over $500k in rural W Iowa but better judgement quickly came back to us as we knew we were only a few years from being able to just pay ours off, and we have a pretty nice house now in an area that is just perfect for our family (3 acres just outside of CB/Omaha...couldn't stand living in areas where houses are stacked up on each other, just seems gross to me to be packed that close together plus me and the boy don't have to go anywhere else to get in some BP and long toss).

Okay, you lost me on that one. We love living with neighbors to whom we can chat with when we go out and get the mail. When our kids were little there was a path worn in the grass (and through the flower beds!) between our house and the neighbors, as the kids went back and forth all summer, every weekend, and most afternoons after school. They also walked to school from K through HS. I love being surrounded by people and being able to walk to most things I need.
 
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Okay, you lost me on that one. We love living with neighbors to whom we can chat with when we go out and get the mail. When our kids were little there was a path worn in the grass (and through the flower beds!) between our house and the neighbors, as the kids went back and forth all summer, every weekend, and most afternoons after school. They also walked to school from K through HS. I love being surrounded by people and being able to walk to most things I need.

I don't mind people as we live in a small rural community of 12 homes but each lot is 3 acres minimum...i just don't want to be stacked on top of each other. I couldn't go back to living in the burbs.
 
Ah, the age-old conundrum -- pay off the mortgage or invest in other vehicles. Stevenpatrick asked the most important question. I opted to invest in other vehicles. Here's why.

My mortgage is locked in at 3.75%. I have a fixed mortgage payment every month. I have dedicated a portion of my portfolio to produce an income yield that covers my monthly mortgage payment (plus additional growth). Thus, my mortgage is paid for outside of my salary, the income yield is more than the mortgage payment, and the remainder of my portfolio evidences a return much greater than 3.75%. The house will eventually be paid off, I still have the principal amount dedicated to producing the income yield plus I will realize the growth on that principal amount.

In real terms. I have $X that I could either (a) pay off my house; or (b) produce an income yield equivalent to my monthly mortgage. If I used $X to pay off my house, yes, I own my house outright, but that portion of my portfolio is $0 and I would take compounded results out of the picture. Basically, I would be hitting the "Savings Reset Button" with respected to that dedicated amount. By producing an income yield that covers my mortgage payment plus, my house will eventually be paid off, but I still have that dedicated principal amount ($X) plus potential growth. In addition, the remainder of my portfolio continues to grow (but would do so if the house was paid off as well).
Me too, with today's mortgage interest rates, paying off the house early rarely makes sense financially. Peace of mind sure is attractive though, and that has value too. To each his own.
 
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By doing things the way I have I am getting an automatic 15% return. Steve where are you getting an immediate and guaranteed 15% return?
So you admit that you get a 15% return through your work, yet you put all your money toward paying off your low interest mortgage instead of putting your money in that? How do you not see where you went wrong here? It's not often that someone on here brags about their stupidity.
 
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