Just Sam Stoll Updates ...No mention of gun control Thread
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I don't think I've commented on a hot button political issue in either of these threads. I might be wrong.
Oh yeah, smart guy but what if that wrestlers holding a gun when he has that heart attack? How you feel about that whole "no chance" thing now?
(It's time to go full jackass now)
Well this is just great, now Spooner has go and bring religion into it! Religion debate thread in 3...2...1
Jesus did not carry a gun, so what does he have to do with this thread?
As a side note, the main fear for gun owners in my opinion is - if we give the gov't more control, they will eventually take all the guns and the people the gun owners trust the least is the gov't.
They are more concerned about being governed by a tyranny if they have no guns to protect themselves than they are afraid of a burglar coming into their house.
Most NRA people have a huge distrust of the gov't. Very similar to a conservatives distrust of Hillary or a liberals distrust of Trump.
Does a liberal want Trump telling them what to do. - NO. Does a conservative want Hillary telling them what to do - no. Does an NRA member want the gov't telling them what to do - in regards to gun NO! (Ohio- Hawk- notice only one exclamation point)
You know, I was not going to touch this thread until you piped up with your incredible anti-liberal rant, complete with sextuple exclamation stop just to prove to us how strongly you feel about guns. This is typical, of course, for those who don't really have an argument. My guess is that you couldn't describe what a "liberal" tends to believe without invective, innuendo or ludicrous stereotype. I personally support the second amendment as long as it is not exercised as an absolute. But I also believe we can assert some reasonable control on firearms because they actually are dangerous and are involved in accidents...you know, the way civilized societies control automobiles, alcohol, pharmaceuticals, and other good things in life whose potential for danger has led to the view that limited regulation is important. Yet, gun extremists these days whine about any regulation for guns.
My additional point is to state how dumb it is to brandish "liberal" or "conservative" labels when trying to make a point. In the end, this is just a logic fallacy known as the straw man. You gotta love those guys who run out of real reasons when they debate you and resort to shouting, "Yeah, well you're a dumb shit!" Takes some real debate skills to go there, doesn't it? When in reality, we're all mixtures/hybrids of both conservative and liberal leanings, depending on the issue as well as the application of the epithet's pigeonhole of the day.
It wouldn't hurt you one bit to try to be more civil. We're all Hawkeye fans, here, after all (except for our PSU friends who admire Hawk Nation from afar
You're probably right, I should have been more civil. When someone tells me to STFU, I would normally say, GFY. I need work on being more pc, I understand this. I'll think twice next time and post once.
I'm all good. No grudge, here. I do like to make the point when the opportunity arises to comment on the "L" and "C" labels. When I was a religion and philosophy major at Iowa State (back in the Neolithic age when Mike Land, Bobby Antonacci, Pete Galea, Willie Gadson and Al Nacin were the stars), I began to notice how people used liberal and conservative labels. My church buddies thought I was turning into a liberal by studying philosophy. Some of my professors called me conservative. When I entered seminary, I was a "safe" conservative according to members of my own family. But when I advocated for women's and gay rights, of course I was rebranded a liberal. Yet when I went to parties with ISU wrestlers and limited myself to just one beer, I was a conservative, again. Then, when I attended grad school at the "ultra-leftist-socialist" University of Chicago, back to the liberal camp I was sent. I could go on, but you get the drift.You're probably right, I should have been more civil. When someone tells me to STFU, I would normally say, GFY. I need work on being more pc, I understand this. I'll think twice next time and post once.
Bottom line, my friend, I "conservatively" consider myself a die-hard Hawkeye wrestling fan (yes, I experienced a conversion when Gable started coaching in Iowa City). And I find it "liberating" to be loyal to the black and gold. So we can walk a long way down that road.
Jesus of Nazareth may not have carried a gun, but I believe he once said, "He who lives by the post, dies by the post" (2nd Hesitations, 4:11)
I like the part where he chased the bankers out of the church.
If Jesus had a gun things may have turned out differently.
"Good Guy with a Gun..."
I assure you an armed citizenry is VERY detrimental to anyone's thoughts of a potential Dictatorship/Tyrannical Government in the U.S.A.
It also has made most or all of our enemies think twice about what could happen if they were to attempt a mainland invasion.
There's a trade-off with the number of weapons available, ain't no doubt about it. But as previously stated, I'll choose Freedom every time.
I'll take 10 to 1 on this betYou're probably right, I should have been more civil. When someone tells me to STFU, I would normally say, GFY. I need work on being more pc, I understand this. I'll think twice next time and post once.
You'll think twice
Ironic for University of Chicago to be labeled socialist when it was the beacon of free market economics with Milton Friedman,Gary Becker, and others.
Get your point, but in 2018, it's not armed citiziens/militia that are deterring sovereign nation's from invading America.
i don't agree-and since I don't do coach speak, that really means I don't agree
Thanks Captain Obvious?
Well guns are no match for planes and tanks, that's for certain. But we have planes and tanks too, and if you would happen to make it thru that you would be severely depleted, then you've got X amount of millions of trained and untrained armed citizens coming out of the hills to deal with.
It's a factor, has been for a long time, and will continue to be in the foreseeable future.
Could have sworn this was about a wrestler but once again a thread has been hijacked.
Yeah I'm just disagreeing that citizens being armed currently plays any factor whatsoever in the prevention of the U.S. being invaded by a foreign military. That's an absurd claim in 2018. In the past, certainly citizens being armed with personal weapons played an important role. It's just not the case in 2018. That's like claiming Iraqis/Afghanis/ISIS being armed with Ak-47s had any effect on the U.S.'s decision to invade and fight in those countries.
^ I don't mean this statement to have any bearing on either side of the gun control debate.
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Yes but it may protect us from our own gov't if it decides to go all Nazi on us. Most of what was put in the constitution was to protect the people from the gov't since inevitably the gov't becomes so corrupt and/or broke that they try to steal from the citizens. It is just history. Sad but true.
Lets make a post about the price of tea in china and see if we can get some answers about Stoll and his knee on that thread.
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Citizens against the government would be bringing guns to a drone fight
So if i'm reading this right, Vince Turk thwarted a North Korean invasion. (i kid, i kid).
Could that happen? Sure, but our time would probably be better spent worrying about a zombie apocalypse. They are similarly likely. Seriously, the idea that we need guns to prevent the government from taking over is ridiculous. It would be a road bump. It is an incredibly paranoid stance, and likely a desperate excuse for people who are afraid the guns they enjoy will be limited in the future.
Enjoy using your guns. I have enjoyed guns, and many in my family enjoy guns. I have a hard time imagining why any civilian in the state of Iowa needs a gun for anything else other than hunting. If you think the government is coming for, I suggest using your money on a mental health professional instead of purchasing the next addition to your personal arsenal...of course I realize I’m probably not changing anybody’s mind, but mine has been over the last several years, so who knows?
Stoll will likely lock up Iowa’s 2019 national championship when he punches his ticket to the national finals this year.
So to get this cesspool back on track.
How is Sam's rehab going?
How is Sam's rehab going?
I am not saying the gov't will go all Nazi on us. I am saying that it is a reason people want to keep their guns. I am trying to explain some of the thinking from some strong advocates of gun freedom.
Me with my little moss berg shotgun is not going to stop a drone attack or a tank or a missile. I fully understand that. It will stop someone from coming into my house and taking my child or me away under the pretense of calling me a terrorist or a threat to the state. That gives some people a lot of comfort.
Personally, I am not sure i have what it takes to shoot another human. I hope to never have to find out either.
Speed bump, eh? Tell that to the Vietnamese or Taliban. Neither seemed to listen. Also, the colonials were considered a speed bump to the British at the time
Interesting to hear OhioHawk. I was back at ISU during that era as well. Gable had just graduated from ISU when I started, but he came into a wrestling PE class once and everyone got to have a go at him. I followed ISU pretty closely then, and saw Adams, Parker, Lampe, Munger, Galea, Binek, Nacin, Peterson, Taylor, Antonacci, and others, many times. Would be fun to swap stories sometime.
This is true. Historically speaking, people have often had good reason to fear their own government, and the founding fathers saw this danger. If Jews and other persecuted in Nazi Germany were armed, it would've been much harder to deport millions to their death.
With the development of increasingly lethal firearms, the danger from our own deranged or criminal fellow countrymen is more of a concern (for now). There has to be some middle ground and common sense.
The "government" is those citizens by and large.
I would hope those that have a clue about American history are not inclined to repeat the devastation that was The Civil War. But never say never. Lock and load just in case..........
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Yes, that is certainly an irony, given their econ dept. (And don't forget that George Shultz also came from that University.) Yet, the Divinity School was a very different place. That faculty was openly embarrassed at what was going on elsewhere at the school. Besides, I was trying to overstate the case when I echoed the exaggerated criticisms I received.
ISU basketball and football parties were rather elitist affairs (even though those teams sucked). So, the wrestlers and gymnasts shared parties. My roommate was a gymnast from Chicago, so I often got invited. I remember sitting down once with Pete Galea (who could never get past Yagla...but, very few ever did), when one of the gymnasts started giving him the business about letting Mike McGivern tie him in that first huge crowd at Hilton. He just smiled, shook his head, and said he didn't know that McGivern had acquired RT.
Wait, I just realized that I said nothing about Sam Stoll. There...I just did. Should someone start a new thread about old (70s and 80s) teams and matches? I'd dig that.
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