Just wondering. What if it doesn't happen under JJ?

[kceasthawk]

Yeah, submitting Magic Johnson as an example of the kind of fate what might await Caitlin Clark if she pursues a post-player career as a coach is sort of dubious (and kind of odd) when there are so many more examples of women college BB players succeeding as coaches …….

What about Pat Summit, Dawn Staley, Tara VanDeVeer, Kim Mulkey, Lisa Bluder, Kara Lawson, or any other in the long list of successful coaches who were former players? I believe Clark would immediately become a top level recruiter and there is no reason to believe she can’t coach.

Okay, but most of those ladies were good to really good players, BUT not generational talents like Clark. The issues with her tempermant much of her career at Iowa, are telling. Its not that she's a bad person, or selfish its just that truly special talents often find it hard to relating why others don't see the game the way they do, and can't do the things they did. Visionaries in many fields often have these struggles...

 

[nu2u]

Okay, but most of those ladies were good to really good players, BUT not generational talents like Clark. The issues with her tempermant much of her career at Iowa, are telling.

What? Her temperament was and has been absolutely remarkable given the amount of overwhelming attention she received while at Iowa.

If you’re talking about her relentlessly competitive style of play, that attribute is what drove her to become the GOAT and endeared her to basketball fans across the world. THAT is an asset, a selling point, a characteristic that would help make her a great coach.

 

[Hawksbyamillion]

What? Her temperament was and has been absolutely remarkable given the amount of overwhelming attention she received while at Iowa.

If you’re talking about her relentlessly competitive style of play, that attribute is what drove her to become the GOAT and endeared her to basketball fans across the world. THAT is an asset, a selling point, a characteristic that would help make her a great coach.

I think you’re misunderstanding where he’s coming from. He’s not saying her temperament hasn’t been remarkable or that her competitive style isn’t to be admired. He’s saying the greats like her sometimes have a hard time relating to others who play their sport (because they don’t understand how others aren’t as driven and competitive as them), and that it could be a challenge for her if she were to coach one day.

As a coach you have to be able to relate to and motivate all kinds of personalities. He’s not knocking Clark or wanting her to change. There was a long article that came out Clark’s senior year that provided a glimpse into how Clark thinks and reacts to mistakes on the court. She didn’t always realize how her body language and words could negatively affect her teammates at times. That’s why Bluder and co. showed her recordings of practice.

Bluder has said she sometimes gave Clark technicals in practice. Her competitive attributes as a player may not always be a strength as a coach. Doesn’t mean she can’t be a great coach one day, but will likely be something she has to work on (and by all accounts in that article and I would say based on watching her play she has worked on it). You definitely don’t want to put out that fire in her though. That’s what makes her great. If you ask me, Kate Martin has the emotional intelligence that you need as a head coach from watching her connect with teammates and coaches over the years.

It will be interesting to see what these two do when their playing careers are over. I can’t see Clark ever stepping away from basketball entirely. If I had to guess I could see her as an owner or even AD at a school (due to her love of other sports like football and soccer). And no, I would never write her off from one day being a great coach. I don’t think kceasthawk is saying that either btw. By now we all know not to question anything Clark sets her mind to.

 

[kceasthawk]

What? Her temperament was and has been absolutely remarkable given the amount of overwhelming attention she received while at Iowa.

If you’re talking about her relentlessly competitive style of play, that attribute is what drove her to become the GOAT and endeared her to basketball fans across the world. THAT is an asset, a selling point, a characteristic that would help make her a great coach.

Cmon on. You know what I'm saying. How often do coaches have to bring in a psychologist to work with the player and then the team, so that said player can understand he importance of those around her helping her to reach her goals. From reports there were some VERY hard initial meetings getting the players to share, and it took some time for CC22 to accept that she must elevate those around her to reach her goals. Do you wonder why as clearly the best player, and PG, (by default the team leader) CC22 was NEVER a team captain until her senior year. I'm not talking about her ability to deal with "the pressure" or handle the media crush, I'm talking about how she relates to those who don't have her skills, or specifically understand the game like she does. Important skills for a coach....

 

[kceasthawk]

I think you’re misunderstanding where he’s coming from. He’s not saying her temperament hasn’t been remarkable or that her competitive style isn’t to be admired. He’s saying the greats like her sometimes have a hard time relating to others who play their sport (because they don’t understand how others aren’t as driven and competitive as them), and that it could be a challenge for her if she were to coach one day.

As a coach you have to be able to relate to and motivate all kinds of personalities. He’s not knocking Clark or wanting her to change. There was a long article that came out Clark’s senior year that provided a glimpse into how Clark thinks and reacts to mistakes on the court. She didn’t always realize how her body language and words could negatively affect her teammates at times. That’s why Bluder and co. showed her recordings of practice.

Bluder has said she sometimes gave Clark technicals in practice. Her competitive attributes as a player may not always be a strength as a coach. Doesn’t mean she can’t be a great coach one day, but will likely be something she has to work on (and by all accounts in that article and I would say based on watching her play she has worked on it). You definitely don’t want to put out that fire in her though. That’s what makes her great. If you ask me, Kate Martin has the emotional intelligence that you need as a head coach from watching her connect with teammates and coaches over the years.

It will be interesting to see what these two do when their playing careers are over. I can’t see Clark ever stepping away from basketball entirely. If I had to guess I could see her as an owner or even AD at a school (due to her love of other sports like football and soccer). And no, I would never write her off from one day being a great coach. I don’t think kceasthawk is saying that either btw. By now we all know not to question anything Clark sets her mind to.

What you said X a million......

 

[ltsimmer]

Cmon on. You know what I'm saying. How often do coaches have to bring in a psychologist to work with the player and then the team, so that said player can understand he importance of those around her helping her to reach her goals. From reports there were some VERY hard initial meetings getting the players to share, and it took some time for CC22 to accept that she must elevate those around her to reach her goals. Do you wonder why as clearly the best player, and PG, (by default the team leader) CC22 was NEVER a team captain until her senior year. I'm not talking about her ability to deal with "the pressure" or handle the media crush, I'm talking about how she relates to those who don't have her skills, or specifically understand the game like she does. Important skills for a coach....

That's why you make CC head coach and Kate Martin as top assistant coach. CC will also have Bluder and Jensen as advisers. She can also hire other experts to fill in the gaps of her weaknesses. After CC wins many championships and accumulate 100's of millions of dollars, she can use her star power and her millions to draw the very best team oriented players and win more championships.

 

[GunnerHawk]

Jan's the Division 1 Rookie Coach of the year. She got better as the year progressed. Takes time to transition from assistant to head coach, plus takes time for the players to adjust to her style vs. Lisa's.

 

[UpstreamHawkeye]

After CC wins many championships and accumulate 100's of millions of dollars, she can use her star power and her millions to draw the very best team oriented players and win more championships.

I wonder, can coaches put their own money into NIL? I think that's the downfall of Iowa's volleyball coach two rounds ago. He used his own money to help out a recruit.

 

[intrepodor]

For a lot of Bluder's career at Iowa, the Hawks made their biggest runs when we had singular talents who were able to make those around them better. We had a few strong seasons when we had Logic ... then we had some good ones attributable to Gustafson ... and then obviously, most recently, we had Clark.

I think that if you look at Jan ... I think we're already recruiting pretty well. If we can maintain that ... and continue to build off a pretty strong "transition" season ... I think that things are still looking pretty bright.

Obviously, Baranczyk is a mighty fine coach and we'd be lucky to have her. However, I also think that we're lucky to have Jan. I suppose we'll have to see how things shake out.

If you look at Kim Mulkey ... she coached at Baylor for a good long time, but she's originally from Louisiana. That "home pull" is part of what ultimately drew her over to LSU.

you mean the swamp drew Mulkey?

 

[amahawk]

At Iowa you get a minimum of 15 years to prove you are the right person for the job.

New AD now.

 

[Rustys Dad]

You know, some good moments, a few good wins, but pretty much just treading water, not really a national name anymore.

Would that OU coach consider returning to her alma mater?
I see the #1 recruit has committed to her.

Way way too early to judge Jan but next years team, unless a savior or 2 come from the portal, will struggle.

You don’t lose Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen … and expect to be close to the same team …

Jan even said early on this will be a much different team. I think Iowa finished strong after the 5-game slump… Still not sure how Oklahoma ran us out of the gym.

We have a 5 star guard and two 4-star girls coming in … they, along with last class … look very promising

 

[Hans81]

She did very well IMO taking over a team that lost CC and two other starters and team leaders. Loads of young talent to work with. We'll be fine.

Lucy Olsen was a god send. Hopefully, Iowa gets another portal stud.

 

[Hans81]

Agreed,

-Magic Johnson

Quite often the best players make awful coaches because they can understand why everybody wasn’t as brilliant and gifted as they were.

Minnesota fired their version of Clark recently.

You mean…”can’t”…🥴

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

What if an asteroid hits Iowa City and we all die?

 

[BubsFinn]

For a lot of Bluder's career at Iowa, the Hawks made their biggest runs when we had singular talents who were able to make those around them better. We had a few strong seasons when we had Logic ... then we had some good ones attributable to Gustafson ... and then obviously, most recently, we had Clark.

I think that if you look at Jan ... I think we're already recruiting pretty well. If we can maintain that ... and continue to build off a pretty strong "transition" season ... I think that things are still looking pretty bright.

Obviously, Baranczyk is a mighty fine coach and we'd be lucky to have her. However, I also think that we're lucky to have Jan. I suppose we'll have to see how things shake out.

If you look at Kim Mulkey ... she coached at Baylor for a good long time, but she's originally from Louisiana. That "home pull" is part of what ultimately drew her over to LSU.

Mulkey was not well liked in Waco. She has a reputation for being a horrible person. Yeah, they enjoyed the wins, but she burned a lot of bridges in her time at Baylor.
I won’t go into the details, but I had a minor run in with her during my restaurant years in Austin. She was a total bitch for no reason.

 

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