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How Nikki Haley Just Might Beat Donald Trump

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Sure, at the moment, it looks like Donald Trump will win the 2024 Republican nomination. But it smells a bit like 2016, when there was near unanimity in the press and the political class that he didn’t have a shot in hell against Hillary Clinton.

In an unstable, unconventional time, it’s not inconceivable to imagine a scenario in which the bottom suddenly falls out for the former president and a rival ambushes him on his way to the GOP convention in Milwaukee. Like Nikki Haley.


Let’s review the last quarter-century of presidential elections.


The GOP’s Electoral College lock has been picked. The Democratic Blue Wall has been breached. Ohio, a longtime bellwether, has gone red. Georgia and Arizona, longtime GOP stalwarts, have gone blue. Jeb Bush, a GOP juggernaut, lost to a reality TV star. Joe Biden, a dead letter after the first 2020 primaries, is now president.
If we’ve learned anything, it’s that the laws of political gravity or axioms about elected politics don’t always apply anymore. Traditional voting habits have been thrown out the window. Polling has proved unreliable. And yet here we are, again, operating with utter certainty that the GOP primary is already cooked.
This isn’t a prediction or a guarantee that Haley will beat Trump. But if it happens, here’s how it would work.
Her uphill climb begins next Monday in the Iowa caucuses, where Haley needs a solid second- or third-place finish. In her best-case scenario, the former U.N. ambassador finishes a strong second — which sounds the death knell for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis — and holds Trump to under 50 percent.
While she hasn’t concentrated on Iowa like DeSantis, who shows signs of having a formidable ground game there, there is an outline for Haley to follow in the state. In 2016, Marco Rubio won just 5 of Iowa’s 99 counties but he won nearly a quarter of the vote. He delivered a strong third-place showing — less than 2,500 votes behind Trump — by running best in the more populous parts of the state, particularly in the Des Moines suburbs and in counties with high levels of educational attainment.
For better and for worse, Haley and Rubio share a political profile: roughly the same age, the children of immigrants and forged in the GOP’s tea party era. As South Carolina governor in 2016, Haley endorsed Rubio before the South Carolina primary, a coup for the Florida senator at the time since she was wildly popular at home. Haley “exemplifies what I want the Republican Party to be known for in the 21st century — vibrant, reform-oriented, optimistic, upwardly mobile,” Rubio told reporters at the time.


As long as Haley places or shows in Iowa — virtually no one in the state, and not even the campaigns themselves, think Trump will lose — she is in the hunt. In fact, she could join Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Trump in the pantheon of GOP nominees who lost in Iowa.

After Iowa, it’s on to New Hampshire, where expectations will be higher. She’s already nipping at Trump’s heels in the latest polls, so anything less than a second-place finish could prove fatal to Haley’s campaign.

But New Hampshire is also uniquely suited for her. Polls suggest it is the early state where Trump is weakest. She has spent time and directed resources there and it shows — she has doubled her support over the past two months. Her efforts have been bolstered by popular GOP Gov. Chris Sununu, who is pulling out all the stops on her behalf. (At 13 years old, Sununu saw the power of a New Hampshire governor to sway the state results when his father, then-Gov. John Sununu, helped lift George H.W. Bush to victory in 1988.)

This is where she needs to bleed Trump and show Republicans in the states to come — most notably in her home state, which votes a month later — that there is a viable alternative.

New Hampshire election rules work to Haley’s advantage since independent voters can take part in the GOP primary. According to the most recent UNH/CNN Granite State Poll, she leads Trump by a wide margin among these undeclared voters. In New Hampshire, this isn’t a small slice of the electorate. There are more undeclared voters than Republicans or Democrats; 39 percent of the state’s registered voters are undeclared. And without a competitive Democratic primary, the action is on the GOP side, incentivizing undeclared voters to pull a Republican ballot. The last time there wasn’t a competitive Democratic contest, in 2012, independents cast nearly half the GOP primary vote.

Chris Christie’s departure from the race Wednesday was the necessary first step. With the most vocal anti-Trump Republican gone, now there is a possibility she can consolidate the vote against the frontrunner; together, their support surpassed Trump’s in the latest Granite State Poll. And two-thirds of Christie’s supporters indicated Haley is their second choice. A Haley victory in New Hampshire isn’t out of the question; the Granite State Poll shows her within 7 points of Trump.

Then comes her home state, South Carolina, which is scheduled to vote almost exactly a month later. Technically, Nevada looms in-between but the confusing details — a non-binding state-run Feb. 6 primary that the Trump-dominated local GOP refuses to acknowledge, followed by a state-party-run caucus two days later — makes it likely that, for momentum purposes, the results of both will be a wash.
In South Carolina, Haley trails Trump by a wide margin in the polls. And the state’s rapid growth — and Trump’s grip on the party — means it’s a different state than when Haley first won the governorship in 2010. But no candidate who’s won statewide twice can be easily dismissed, especially if she’s riding the tiger out of Manchester.
Contrary to conventional wisdom, Haley doesn’t have to win New Hampshire, or even South Carolina — she just has to keep it close enough to keep donors and voters convinced there might be a real nomination fight and move forward. Keep in mind that through the end of February, only 142 of the 2,429 delegates will have been allocated, just under 6 percent.

Which means Super Tuesday on March 5 looms as Haley’s moment of truth, the proving ground when the GOP learns once and for all if she’s the viable Trump alternative DeSantis was supposed to be. Roughly two-thirds of all GOP delegates will be allocated in March, the bulk of them on March 5. Among the 15 states up for grabs that day: California, North Carolina, Texas and Virginia.

A number of Southern Trump strongholds will vote that day — including Alabama, Arkansas and Tennessee — and the demographics of the new Republican Party with its working-class base will work against her. Even as a daughter of the South, she will struggle to expand her footprint beyond the upscale suburbs where GOP support has eroded during the Trump era. But if she’s held her own — and can hold him to under 50 percent in certain states, a critical threshold for delegate allocation purposes — she could scoop up a large swath of delegates.

There’s still a good chance this is where the ride ends. After Super Tuesday, primary season transitions from a momentum play to a delegate slog, and Trump is well-prepared for that, having learned from his 2016 experience.

To go farther, Haley will need a few surprise finishes accompanied by strong performances in some traditionally blue states where beaten-down Republicans might welcome the prospect of a Haley-led ticket and the prospect of diminished down-ticket losses. She’d also probably need a big-state win in a place like California. If she were to accomplish such a feat — and continued to hold her margins over Joe Biden in head-to-head polling matchups — she could justify remaining in the race, especially with Trump’s legal troubles looming in the background.

The convention is another problem entirely, if she makes it that far. As hard as it is to envision a scenario in which she wrests the nomination from Trump, there isn’t much precedent for a nominee with four criminal indictments either. A felony conviction would breathe oxygen into the case for Haley, particularly if it led to a scenario where Haley continued to lead Biden in the polls and Trump was trailing, or where independents, women and suburbanites turned even more sharply against him.

It’s a bank shot, of course. Trump occupies the commanding heights. But there’s no shortage of recent examples where conventional political wisdom was upended or a seemingly unassailable politician’s fortunes took a dramatic turn for the worse.

Consider the fate of Christie himself. In 2011, he was soaring in the polls, and a group of Iowa activists and donors even flew out to New Jersey to urge him to run for president. Five years later, when he did decide to run in Iowa, he came in tenth place. By this year, he didn’t even bother campaigning there because he didn’t have a prayer of winning the state. And he didn’t make it to New Hampshire either.

 
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Be smart if they did.
 
Saw an article that compared her to John McCain in 2000. He won New Hampshire and looked like he might actually beat GWB but it was short lived. Seems like a similar deal here. She’s not winning.
 
Wishful thinking.

The GOP belongs to Trump, and you know it because every candidate remaining has already bended the knee and pledged fealty to Him. You can’t beat a guy while simultaneously saying he is your lord and savior.

Republicans just aren’t serious people anymore. They’re a reality show - that needs cancelled until they come back down from their Trump high.
 
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Wishful thinking.

The GOP belongs to Trump, and you know it because every candidate remaining has already bended the knee and pledged fealty to Him. You can’t beat a guy while simultaneously saying he is your lord and savior.
Yeah-amazed how none of them except Christie went after him and still kissed his ass. The only hope they had was to be clear and firm on how flawed and corrupt and unfit for office Trump now is and how he would be by far the most beatable candidate in general election, having already lost once to Biden. But they never would go there.
 
DeSantis is the fly in the ointment. For her to have a chance he needs to accept that he won't beat Trump and drop out.

However it appears his performance will be fairly strong in Iowa, certainly not the weak performance he'd need to drop out early.
 
Prison for Trump. That's how Haley can get elected.

Outside of prison, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where Trump could do or say something that would alienate him from his fans. Maybe if he suddenly started promoting bud light and trans people or something to that effect?
 
DeSantis is the fly in the ointment. For her to have a chance he needs to accept that he won't beat Trump and drop out.

However it appears his performance will be fairly strong in Iowa, certainly not the weak performance he'd need to drop out early.
What would be “fairly strong” for him in Iowa? If he finishes behind Haley, that can’t be good for him, can it?
De Santos is really a mediocre candidate, I think.
 
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DeSantis is the fly in the ointment. For her to have a chance he needs to accept that he won't beat Trump and drop out.

However it appears his performance will be fairly strong in Iowa, certainly not the weak performance he'd need to drop out early.
Unfortunately this is the likely scenario.

He'll probably be 2 in Iowa....Haley has put most of her efforts into New Hampshire and Ron has gone all in on Iowa.
 
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Yeah-amazed how none of them except Christie went after him and still kissed his ass. The only hope they had was to be clear and firm on how flawed and corrupt and unfit for office Trump now is and how he would be by far the most beatable candidate in general election, having already lost once to Biden. But they never would go there.
Problem here is that there are many who think he didn’t…
 
Unfortunately this is the likely scenario.

He'll probably be 2 in Iowa....Haley has put most of her efforts into New Hampshire and Ron has gone all in on Iowa.
It is really unique too because Trump is barely even campaigning. He is pulling away by not partaking in any debates and a handful of MAGA rallies in swing state vs the hundreds of hours the other GOP candidates put into Iowa and New Hampshire. It is almost like he too is running as the incumbent president, unconcerned about the primary results because it is so in the bag.

The result is the most unusual primary season I can recall in a long time. Not many people are focused on it as typical. It is hard to believe the 2024 presidential election is 9.75 months away....
 
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It is really unique too because Trump is barely even campaigning. He is pulling away by not partaking in any debates and a handful of MAGA rally's in swing state vs the hundreds of hours the other GOP candidates put into Iowa and New Hampshire. It is almost like he too is running as the incumbent president, unconcerned about the primary results because it is so in the bag.

The result is the most unusual primary season I can recall in a long time. Not many people are focused on it as typical. It is hard to believe the 2024 presidential election is 9.75 months away....

He is leader of a cult, and that is no exaggeration. His followers literally worship him.
 
It is really unique too because Trump is barely even campaigning. He is pulling away by not partaking in any debates and a handful of MAGA rally's in swing state vs the hundreds of hours the other GOP candidates put into Iowa and New Hampshire. It is almost like he too is running as the incumbent president, unconcerned about the primary results because it is so in the bag.

The result is the most unusual primary season I can recall in a long time. Not many people are focused on it as typical. It is hard to believe the 2024 presidential election is 9.75 months away....
Agree. He could win without participating in a debate. Crazy.

Thing is...if it's Trump v Biden. There won't be any presidential debates either if I had to bet.

Crazy.
 
What would be “fairly strong” for him in Iowa? If he finishes behind Haley, that can’t be good for him, can it?
De Santos is really a mediocre candidate, I think.
I don't understand this line of thinking. He has basically turned purple Florida into a stronghold for the GOP. Delivered on about every promise he made on top of winning re-election by almost 20 points which is unheard of.

He is by far the best candidate to lead the country no question. Haley is a shill for big corp and war inc and will change her stance with the wind. Trump is Trump.
 
I don't understand this line of thinking. He has basically turned purple Florida into a stronghold for the GOP. Delivered on about every promise he made on top of winning re-election by almost 20 points which is unheard of.

He is by far the best candidate to lead the country no question. Haley is a shill for big corp and war inc and will change her stance with the wind. Trump is Trump.
Haley has the best shot at winning the general for the GOP.

Ron totally jumped the shark with his 6 week abortion ban. Makes him almost unelectable in a general.
 
Republicans just aren’t serious people anymore. They’re a reality show - that needs cancelled until they come back down from their Trump high.
Haley is a joke now too. She made herself a joke when she cowered from Trump. Once he won the White House, she became a chickenshit. Christie is right...anyone who enables Trump or is willing to vote for him shouldn't be allowed near the presidency. That's Nikki. How people gravitate toward someone who can't even stick up for her own beliefs is beyond me.
 
Prison for Trump. That's how Haley can get elected.

Outside of prison, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where Trump could do or say something that would alienate him from his fans. Maybe if he suddenly started promoting bud light and trans people or something to that effect?
Shoot someone on 5th Ave...the one thing Trump was right about. His base can't leave him...because cult.
 
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Prison for Trump. That's how Haley can get elected.

Outside of prison, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where Trump could do or say something that would alienate him from his fans. Maybe if he suddenly started promoting bud light and trans people or something to that effect?
I don't believe that would keep him from getting the nomination. His supporters are really corrupt, dishonest, and idiotic low-life scum. In their feeble mindset, it's no different than Paul being imprisoned by the Romans.
 
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I don't understand this line of thinking. He has basically turned purple Florida into a stronghold for the GOP. Delivered on about every promise he made on top of winning re-election by almost 20 points which is unheard of.

He is by far the best candidate to lead the country no question. Haley is a shill for big corp and war inc and will change her stance with the wind. Trump is Trump.
DeSantis speaks for about 30% of the nation’s interests.
Honestly, a Republican like Haley might interest me…..IF the MAGAts would just go away…..,MAGAts and their allies (DeSantis to some extent, Vivek and Trump more so) scare the shit out of me….they remind me of the kids in high school who didn’t like to read and hated Government class.
 
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I don't understand this line of thinking. He has basically turned purple Florida into a stronghold for the GOP. Delivered on about every promise he made on top of winning re-election by almost 20 points which is unheard of.

He is by far the best candidate to lead the country no question. Haley is a shill for big corp and war inc and will change her stance with the wind. Trump is Trump.
He beat a crackhead and a piece of over cooked old ass bacon.
 
One thing is for sure, all the War Machines and Soros are funding the crap out of her campaign.
 
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I think people like the political campaign horse race and I think there are a lot of people hopeful Trump can be challenged.

Because of this I think there is a thirst to find a challenger to him in the primary.

There isn’t a realistic challenger. He’s going to roll and we’re going to get Trump/Biden 2.
 
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