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IRONBIRD said:
Good for KemDawg, I hope he does well there and rebuilds the team! it would be good for the sport as we need as many good teams(and teams) as possible! Would be great to have at least a dozen real solid programs that could win a title or get a team trophy every year. Obviously even more would be better but bringing in great wrestlers to coach could be a start.
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WHY ARE YOU SO DANG CALM???!!!!!!
 
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Kem looked like a pretty fundamentally sound wrestler with and good mat savvy. Could definitely be a good coach.
 
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HawkMachine said:
How would you keep him?

You only have so many spots/money.
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Figure it out. That's what good organizations do with good people. PSU is figuring that out clearly. I don't care how but you don't let people like him leave your program, and zero chance money should be remotely limiting with this program. None.
 
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DeangeloVickers said:
Figure it out. That's what good organizations do with good people. PSU is figuring that out clearly. I don't care how but you don't let people like him leave your program, and zero chance money should be remotely limiting with this program. None.
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So your solution is he cuts an unhealthy amount of weight or give up an unhealthy amount of weight? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.
 
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So your solution is he cuts an unhealthy amount of weight or give up an unhealthy amount of weight? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.
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I dint think we're talking about the same topic. Iowa needed to figure out how to keep him in the program as a coach of some type... HWC, strength and conditioning, volunteer assistant coach, I don't care.
We keep letting good people leave our program bc we aren't willing to figure out creative ways to keep them.
 
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DeangeloVickers said:
Figure it out. That's what good organizations do with good people. PSU is figuring that out clearly. I don't care how but you don't let people like him leave your program, and zero chance money should be remotely limiting with this program. None.
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PSU not a good example here. They just let one of their most iconic competitors take a prominent HC job at a major program and bring several of their guys with him. PSU has former wrestlers all over the place. Once they’re done competing at an RTC level, there’s just not always the space available.

Plus, if I was an Iowa fan, I’d be looking for coaching from outside of my own program. Feel like some new perspectives are needed there.
 
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poorwrestler said:
PSU not a good example here. They just let one of their most iconic competitors take a prominent HC job at a major program and bring several of their guys with him. PSU has former wrestlers all over the place. Once they’re done competing at an RTC level, there’s just not always the space available.

Plus, if I was an Iowa fan, I’d be looking for coaching from outside of my own program. Feel like some new perspectives are needed there.
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PSU IS a good example.

DT left and took guys.

But now PSU kept Nick Lee and somehow Zain, after he thought he was headed to Wall Street. But, unfortunately, Tom doesn't care about the RTC in the same manner.
 
so cal hawkfan said:
Kemdawg is one of my favorite Hawks. Love the gritty, blue collar toughness he brings to the table.
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100%.

Out of all of my favorite Iowa wrestlers since I've been watching since the early 80s, I don't think any of them brings the same combination of gritty toughness, in-match brains and technique, brute strength, and humbleness that Kem brought. He'll always be one of my favorites and wish him the best no matter where he's at.
 
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poorwrestler said:
PSU not a good example here. They just let one of their most iconic competitors take a prominent HC job at a major program and bring several of their guys with him. PSU has former wrestlers all over the place. Once they’re done competing at an RTC level, there’s just not always the space available.

Plus, if I was an Iowa fan, I’d be looking for coaching from outside of my own program. Feel like some new perspectives are needed there.
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He left 11 years after finishing college competition. In those 11 years he obviously made a lasting impact on psus program. Look at the number of successful guys they have around and involved in their program right now and tell me it doesn't make a difference. Sorry but everyone needs to quit making excuses for poor program leadership, and acting like psu is just too different. Aside from their local recruiting base, there isn't one area they truly have insurmountable advantage.
 
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so cal hawkfan said:
Kemdawg is one of my favorite Hawks. Love the gritty, blue collar toughness he brings to the table.
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Mine too. Bummed he came up just short of getting one title after battling through so many injuries. Impossible not to root for a guy like Kem, and he will have success in whatever path he chooses in life. Would love to see him with the Hawks one day if he stays in coaching.
 
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DeangeloVickers said:
I dint think we're talking about the same topic. Iowa needed to figure out how to keep him in the program as a coach of some type... HWC, strength and conditioning, volunteer assistant coach, I don't care.
We keep letting good people leave our program bc we aren't willing to figure out creative ways to keep them.
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The Iowa program cranks out good people annually to the point that no amount of creativity is going to keep them all. Iowa can’t, nor should they, be trying to hold onto all the good former wrestlers. That’s a 💩 strategy.
 
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SPOONER said:
The Iowa program cranks out good people annually to the point that no amount of creativity is going to keep them all. Iowa can’t, nor should they, be trying to hold onto all the good former wrestlers. That’s a 💩 strategy.
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"Keep them all"? Where did anyone say that? We keep very few, especially recently, and now am extremely talented, intelligent and unique style individual is allowed to leave to a competing program. You're excusing poor program development in a time we can't afford it.
 
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DeangeloVickers said:
"Keep them all"? Where did anyone say that? We keep very few, especially recently, and now am extremely talented, intelligent and unique style individual is allowed to leave to a competing program. You're excusing poor program development in a time we can't afford it.
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“We keep letting good people leave our program bc we aren't willing to figure out creative ways to keep them.”

This is what I was replying to. It just can’t be done. Sorry. Guys want to actually coach and not be glorified mat maids.

None of this has anything to do with wrestler development as Kem has no history developing anyone. Heck, I’d actually argue that keeping too many old Hawks is a bigger contributing factor than not having enough.

“And now…” Now, nothing. You clearly didn’t even realize Kem hasn’t been living or working in Iowa City for a couple years, so are you sure you have credibility on the subject?
 
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"Keep them all"? Where did anyone say that? We keep very few, especially recently, and now am extremely talented, intelligent and unique style individual is allowed to leave to a competing program. You're excusing poor program development in a time we can't afford it.
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I think Kemerer is going to be an awesome Coach. Going to Cornell with a quick stop at Brown (don't know what happened) and now Minnesota will help him in the long run. If he does well there, then maybe a job as a head coach somewhere. He's earning his stripes.
 
Kem will be a damn good coach. His demeanor is calm a lot like Carl. He was not all heavy hands and wear opponents out. He was strong and technically sound. I don’t think he believes in cutting a lot of weight based on his career. Kem has very strong scrambling skills and even though he wrestled at Iowa, his style wasn’t traditional “Iowa Style.” It should be a matter of time before we see him in IA City? if not, he’ll be a head coach before we get him on staff.
 
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Congrats to Kem! That’s the kind of person you want representing and leading your program.

There were whispers of him being hired as a head coach somewhere…maybe Buffalo..so he definitely wants to coach long term and that’s good for the sport of wrestling.

He’d look great at Pitt down the road. Here We Go Steelers!
 
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DeangeloVickers said:
"Keep them all"? Where did anyone say that? We keep very few, especially recently, and now am extremely talented, intelligent and unique style individual is allowed to leave to a competing program. You're excusing poor program development in a time we can't afford it.
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This! I’d much rather keep Kem over anyone but Spencer from the last several - and I mean lots and lots - years! What a talent!!
 
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IAChief32 said:
I think Kemerer is going to be an awesome Coach. Going to Cornell with a quick stop at Brown (don't know what happened) and now Minnesota will help him in the long run. If he does well there, then maybe a job as a head coach somewhere. He's earning his stripes.
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So brown was actually able to keep him after he was offered the Bloomsburg HC job. They got more money for him. BUT....

Minnesota came calling and they've got some cash now.
 
SPOONER said:
“We keep letting good people leave our program bc we aren't willing to figure out creative ways to keep them.”

This is what I was replying to. It just can’t be done. Sorry. Guys want to actually coach and not be glorified mat maids.

None of this has anything to do with wrestler development as Kem has no history developing anyone. Heck, I’d actually argue that keeping too many old Hawks is a bigger contributing factor than not having enough.

“And now…” Now, nothing. You clearly didn’t even realize Kem hasn’t been living or working in Iowa City for a couple years, so are you sure you have credibility on the subject?
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"It can't be done".
This is the way poor leaders running poor programs and organizations think.
For great people there's always a way.
I don't necessarily disagree with the too many ex Hawks in the program concern, but guys like Kemerer are the exceptions. He's the type we need, not more of the same style.
 
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