Attention coaching staff: for the love of God, get them bulked up, assign them to the weights we need, and stop playing games. We need to convey our seriousness about regaining the NCAA title, and this isn't the way to do it.
Kemerer @ 149 and Marinelli @ 157 on roster
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Everything will work out for you guys. Next year should be good. Keep your chins up and have faith. Tom and Terry are doing a good job. Can't win every year
I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it. They have Sam Stoll at 215. Kemerer is bulked up enough to go 157. Marinelli, not so much at 165.
Sam Stoll is not 215? I thought maybe he was getting WELL below the 285 limit so he could eat hardily during the season!
Shades of a couple years ago. Sorenson will have to prove he's the guy. I'm sure one of them will be declared the starter by Midlands.
Battles at 141, 149, 157, 165 and 197 going into the season.
Dan Murphy from Colorado must have grey shirted last year. He is on the roster now.
I am surprised you posted this with the history of roster accuracy. Also, it is likely Kemdawg will certify 149. If something happened to BS we would still be very solid with him at 49 and the Bull at 57.
I know it may be frustrating from getting the best team on the mat. But typically your studs dictate the weights. If Marinelli is as good as the rumors, why wouldn't he want to be 157? He has the potential to be a finalist. If he is not a full-sized 165, would he make much difference at nationals at 165? 165 looks like a very deep weight. Personally, I would rather him wrestle at his best weight than bump up and have mixed results. It would be interesting if he won Midlands at 157 if they would pull his redshirt.
It is just a team roster, so who knows. Some coaches don't like to show their hand. I understand the thinking more at the high school level. In college, it seems a little strange to have opponents rosters dictate yours. I would think you just get your guys at their best weight for them and/or the team.
It is just a team roster, so who knows. Some coaches don't like to show their hand. I understand the thinking more at the high school level. In college, it seems a little strange to have opponents rosters dictate yours. I would think you just get your guys at their best weight for them and/or the team.
Even more shocking is several have "liked" his post when no accuracy has been confirmed and the history of the roster being wrong. Tarp has been around more than most so it is very surprising to see him stirred up about it. Maybe he met up with a few of our smoking members and his brain is a little cloudy. Or he watched the football game yesterday and is still drinking that pain away. Either would give him a free pass.
Shocking is a strong description for liking a post, especially since the Hawks have a history in the recent past of not recruiting or filling certain weights while others have multiple studs.
My brain is definitely a little cloudy, but don't read too much angst into my post. I'm aware that our roster isn't always accurate. It's just that we've had a history of waiting too long to solidify our lineup, the result being guys that were too big or too small, too late in the season. If someone is suggesting that Marinelli is going to burn his redshirt to take the 157 spot from Kemerer, and Kemerer (or Sorensen) is going to sit on the bench for the next 2 years, that would be an incredibly bad move from a team title pov. There is no logical scenario for Marinelli at 157. The only way Iowa wins a title between now and 2019 is with Marinelli at 165 this year, placing high, then redshirting the following year. If that's not in the cards, then Paddock (not to mention Turk and Holloway) better have the most amazing breakthrough season in history. But I'm willing to concede that it's probably just sloppy roster updating.
Fair points on past lineups having 2 studs at one weight, but not a fair point with the bull. You can't turn a 157 into a 165 in a couple of months into his freshman season. AZ posted how stacked 165 is. If he weighed 175 right now I would be all in with pulling the shirt. It is no different than asking Kemdawg to do 157 last year. The team would have been a little better but not enough to pull the shirt.
Will be interesting to see which weight Marinelli wrestles at in opens. If he is at 157, I don't think we see his shirt pulled unless he significantly outperforms Kemerer at Midlands. We may even see the two match up as early as the Grand View Open on the schedule. If Marinelli wrestles at 165 then I think there is a much higher likelihood of his shirt being pulled, assuming he performs well.
Not sure where Marinelli will land off the get-go, but it would be one of the worst moves in the history of College Wrestling to even consider Marinelli for 157 when Kemerer is a proven stud and getting a decent chunk of scholarship money I would imagine. He also doesn't have a redshirt left, and bumping him up to 165 in a pinch would be equally as bad, considering most think he's a 149 ideally.
Even for Iowa, that would be really bad...............
As for Marinelli, they typically let the redhirts "relax" and wrestle up a weight, so look for Marinelli to be at 165 (from the sounds of it this is not an issue) unless he comfortably makes 157, otherwise there is no reason for him to wrestle in 2016.
Its not unheard of but it is more common in some cultures such as Arabian (e.g. Sirhan Sirhan, JFK assassin, Ismail Ismail, Olympic weightlifter) and Anglo where last names lend themselves to duplication.
Epenesa Epenesa (Samoan) played football for the Hawkeyes in the mid '90s. Hayden Fry referred to him as "Pete & Repeat".
I hope both Kemerer and Marinelli are successful wrestling up a weight class. Not everyone can put on muscle and be as effective as they would be otherwise. Wonder if they drop down in 2 years after Sorensen graduates?
Probably a stupid question, but does Sorenson have the body fat to get down to 141? I am guessing that 141 would be a HUGE drop for him.
If the Hawks are going to win a title they need a full size Kem at 57 and full size Bull at 65. It would be pretty frustrating to see anything else.
The last 2 times Brands had the issue with 2 guys looking they were going the same weight was Clark and Gilman. I think we can all agree Clark moved into 133 just fine even though the news that Clark was going up was late in coming to us.
The other example was having Grothus and Sorensen at 149, would Iowa have been better with Grothus at 149 and Sorensen at 157?
Before that it was Gambrall going up to 197? But even then Lofthouse had a great NCAAs and still managed to AA.
Not trying to brown nose for the Brands, but has he actually done that bad of a job with lineup management?
Why would you be frustrated if Bull isn't a full sized 165 when 157 is his natural weight?
Because we want it and we want it NOW, dammit.
This situation is why we have a S&C coach. For Sorenson and Kem dawg, last May the coaches should have made a decision to start building one into a 157 pounder. Hopefully that happened.
For Marinelli, if he isn't a 165 pounder right now, shirt him and build him into one. Seems simple to me but I am not a wrestling coach.
For Marinelli, if he isn't a 165 pounder right now, shirt him and build him into one. Seems simple to me but I am not a wrestling coach.
Sirhan Sirhan was RFK's assassin. Lee Harvey Oswald was JFK's assassin.
That was done so what's the point of all the worrying and complaining? At least wait until the season starts to see the wrestlers for crying out loud.
what if kem(who I love,fantastic wrestler)what if he is a little undersized for 57 and am is wearing him out and clearly better at 157.do they put the bull in and sit kem. I do not know any of this to be true we have all heard this kind of thing many times. just askin.probably not a good idea to start this, but it's what we do.
It looked like Grothus at 149 and Sorensen at 157 would have been best for the team. I believe Sorensen wrestled some 157 as a redshirt. At that time, the mentality seemed to be let them battle it out as they both wanted 149.
What is the mentality of the coaches? Produce individual champions? Team titles? Not that you can't do both but the best thing for a couple wrestlers might be to be at the same weight. Usually one may concede that the other is better and make a weight change or may want the challenge of going up.
What are some of the best backups Iowa has had? I am sure there must have been some studs not making the lineup during Gable's days.
I don't see that happening barring injury. Kemdawg is noticeably bigger. He won't be a big 57 but he will be big enough to be a contender by the end of the season.
Yea, how dare you discuss wrestling before the actual wrestling season starts!
What you call wrestling discussion falls more in line with an estrogen spike. Especially comments like Attention coaches for the love of God quit playing games. This was based on some online roster that is never accurate. If you consider that wrestling discussion that we can agree to disagree.
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I basically agree. My thoughts begin with Stoll. If he is not going to be one hundred percent by Midlands, then we might as well redshirt Bull and let him have four years at his best weight, because there is no NC without Stoll scoring big points. If Stoll is healthy, then it's a tougher decision. Can Kemerer and Marinelli both score points at Nationals? If so, then I would roll the dice on Marinelli at 165 and promise him a redshirt next year.
Whoever makes the roster online should be taken out back and shot in the head
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