ADVERTISEMENT

Kemerer at 149?

pablow

pablow

HB Legend
Gold Member
Mar 14, 2010
19,012
31,791
113
Just a thought - if Kemerer's ideal weight is 149 and Marinelli is a true 157 pounder, how can we justify moving perhaps next years two best wrestlers up a weight class each to make room for Sorensen - [we'd be moving our 165 pounder up to 174 too]. I'm not knocking Sorensen, but the shift is not worth it from a team standpoint.

I've still feel - in IMHO - that Kemerer and Sorensen need to fight it out at 149.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cedeverson
pablow said:
Just a thought - if Kemerer's ideal weight is 149 and Marinelli is a true 157 pounder, how can we justify moving perhaps next years two best wrestlers up a weight class each to make room for Sorensen - [we'd be moving our 165 pounder up to 174 too]. I'm not knocking Sorensen, but the shift is not worth it from a team standpoint.

I've still feel - in IMHO - that Kemerer and Sorensen need to fight it out at 149.
Click to expand...
Did I hack you account, Pablow? B/c I do the crazylineup stuff.
 
  • Like
Reactions: just_somebody, WWDMHawkeye, el dub and 3 others
pablow said:
Just a thought - if Kemerer's ideal weight is 149 and Marinelli is a true 157 pounder, how can we justify moving perhaps next years two best wrestlers up a weight class each to make room for Sorensen - [we'd be moving our 165 pounder up to 174 too]. I'm not knocking Sorensen, but the shift is not worth it from a team standpoint.

I've still feel - in IMHO - that Kemerer and Sorensen need to fight it out at 149.
Click to expand...

I'd rather move wrestlers up, than cut down. At PSU, all of our guys look smaller than the opponent, but we don't suck weight, and it pays off.
 
  • Like
Reactions: moosemonster
pablow said:
Just a thought - if Kemerer's ideal weight is 149 and Marinelli is a true 157 pounder, how can we justify moving perhaps next years two best wrestlers up a weight class each to make room for Sorensen - [we'd be moving our 165 pounder up to 174 too]. I'm not knocking Sorensen, but the shift is not worth it from a team standpoint.

I've still feel - in IMHO - that Kemerer and Sorensen need to fight it out at 149.
Click to expand...


How can you say the shift isn't worth it? You're taking one of the best wrestlers at his weight in the country out of the lineup and putting in Gunther at 165 or 174. I like Gunther but he's no Sorensen.

Kemerer is a top 3 guy at either 149 or 157. Not seeing the big gain. And if you haven't noticed he's become a full sized 157. He's not small. I think Marinelli will be good at 157 by next year.

If you really want to get crazy, let Sorensen relax have fun for his senior year and eat his way into 165. He's a big 149. It's a leap but maybe not huge. It's outside the box but better than sitting Sorensen or Kem, which I find to be nuts.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kjb32812, menges00 and lrtbahawk
Interesting to hear Tom Ryan talking about how strong his guys are. Tomasello is deadlifting 460 (that's 3x bodyweight). Snyder is over 700 (again 3x bodyweight). Strong backs, strong hips, strong grips.

There might be some hyperbole in there, and those might be sumo or trapbar. But those are still large #'s. Any of our guys DL'ing over 3x BW?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Grip220
IMO, the last thing we want for Kem is cut significant weight and have low energy on the mat. He is one of our best for 7 minutes of activity. I don't even think he looks small compared his opponents.
 
xjohnx said:
I'm assuming the middle weights will be...

149-Sorensen
157-Kem
165-Marinelli
174-Young

Does anything else make sense?
Click to expand...

I might as well build on this middle lineup.

125-Warner
133-Laux
141-Turk
184-Wilke
197-Halloway
Hwt-Stoll

Not as salty as PSU, but not too shabby. I think Wilke and Halloway being at more natural weights will benefit them both greatly.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chalkdaddy94
xjohnx said:
I might as well build on this middle lineup.

125-Warner
133-Laux
141-Turk
184-Wilke
197-Halloway
Hwt-Stoll

Not as salty as PSU, but not too shabby. I think Wilke and Halloway being at more natural weights will benefit them both greatly.
Click to expand...

That lineup tops out at 5 AAs. The good news is it's a young team an help is on the way.
 
  • Like
Reactions: el dub and SDHN2013
So you think Kemerer would do better at 149 then Sorensen. No way Sorensen makes the cut to 141. So you have him go 165 or bench? This idea moves a three time AA out of the lineup. In a weight he is familiar with.

Hopefully the other two grow into the weights more. I would like to see our guys stronger like tOSU. But that doesn't ensure success either. I think they are doing worse then expected. I think in most areas we are doing a little worse with a couple guys and a little better with a couple guys.

I love the story that Dan Gable carried a rope with him to classes doing isometrics all the time working his forearms. I want a guy to take it that seriously and see what happens.
 
  • Like
Reactions: depelland
xjohnx said:
I'm assuming the middle weights will be...

149-Sorensen
157-Kem
165-Marinelli
174-Young

Does anything else make sense?
Click to expand...

Prob not, but the point of the OP is that lineup has 3/4 guys wrestling up a weight.
 
I am excited for next year. We won't be threatening PSU for the team title, but I am excited to watch the young guys progressing - especially Turk, Marinelli, and Young - and to see how much Kemerer and Wilke progress. We will have some studs coming in, but we will still need to develop guys like Turk, Young and Wilke into AA types to round out the team.
 
SPOONER said:
If you really want to get crazy, let Sorensen relax have fun for his senior year and eat his way into 165. He's a big 149. It's a leap but maybe not huge. It's outside the box but better than sitting Sorensen or Kem, which I find to be nuts.
Click to expand...

The other thing 'tis would do is switch up who they are wrestling from PSU. BS would be wrestling Cenzo, Kem Zain, etc. I don't know if those two IA guys would have a better chance of knocking them off? I don't see BS knocking Martinez off so don't know what weight he'd have the best chance at a title (besides 141?). Tough in the side to be a 4 time AA but really no shot at a title.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NLhawk62 and lionlover
xjohnx said:
I'm assuming the middle weights will be...

149-Sorensen
157-Kem
165-Marinelli
174-Young

Does anything else make sense?
Click to expand...
That makes the most sense. You can't juggle 3 or 4 weights to possibly better one. Besides what would we gain. PSU is a lock to win it all next year. No body is winning 149 or 157 other than PSU. Plus no one is beating Imar at 165.
 
Still waiting for the OP to explain why he wants to take the #3 guy nationally out of the lineup, and potentially a 3 time AA and replace him with Gunther.
 
Stanley75 said:
That makes the most sense. You can't juggle 3 or 4 weights to possibly better one. Besides what would we gain. PSU is a lock to win it all next year. No body is winning 149 or 157 other than PSU. Plus no one is beating Imar at 165.
Click to expand...
Respectfully disagree. I am a realist and understand how large is the gap Imar, Zain and Nolf have put between themselves and their competitors. Nolf is great but he is beatable. Kemerer can close the gap and I bet he thinks he can beat Nolf. Let's alsosee how Marinelli does after a full year in the room before giving up on his chances against Imar.
 
  • Like
Reactions: july895
Gusaford said:
Respectfully disagree. I am a realist and understand how large is the gap Imar, Zain and Nolf have put between themselves and their competitors. Nolf is great but he is beatable. Kemerer can close the gap and I bet he thinks he can beat Nolf. Let's also see how Marinelli does after a full year in the room before giving up on his chances against Imar.
Click to expand...
 
Kem, bull and young should be hitting the weights hard with Doyle guidance. Some of the videos of Iowa guys lifting technique is atrocious. Stick w Olympic lifts, gain the strength and mass vs doing 50 curls in a set.

Should be able to gain 10-13 lbs easily in college w the help of the nutrition advisor and Doyle

Grow vs cutting is something Iowa needs to do more
 
xjohnx said:
I might as well build on this middle lineup.

125-Warner
133-Laux
141-Turk
184-Wilke
197-Halloway
Hwt-Stoll

Not as salty as PSU, but not too shabby. I think Wilke and Halloway being at more natural weights will benefit them both greatly.
Click to expand...
I'd say Laux, Happel, Turk sounds better.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

HawkFan1986

Comprehensive thoughts on Iowa’s lineup and future predictions.

Replies
59
Views
10K
Iowa Wrestling
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
IRONBIRD

HAWKEYES vs buckwheats GRADES

Replies
57
Views
8K
Iowa Wrestling
pointtheway
P
RossWB

*** #3 Iowa wrestling vs #7 Nebraska MATCH THREAD ***

Replies
35
Views
1K
The Press Box
KuwaitHawk
KuwaitHawk
RossWB

*** #2 Iowa wrestling vs Illinois Match Thread ***

Replies
17
Views
853
The Press Box
chuck285
C
IRONBIRD

WISKY GRADES

Replies
27
Views
4K
Iowa Wrestling
sdvike
S
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back