King dethroned.
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I would rather see LeShun get rewarded for actually having some big games and be a number one back in more that just rushing attempts.
Cats have nothing to do with football.....................unless it's a team mascot.
So are you saying he wasn't trying to get a first down? He was lying and really didn't want to get a first down?
He was probably referring to Northwestern.
lol.....Phil Parker doesn't move him around. So its easy to game plan away from Dez when you know he going to be on 1 side the whole game.
I would guess that there is a slight message here. The leadership council didn't vote King as a captain. If you watch the game ... there was some body language issues that clearly was indicating that King was miffed at Snyder (at least on particular plays).
The thing is that IF King is a team leader ... it's more than just his play that helps to elevate his team. It's also about staying positive and being about TEAM rather than about the INDIVIDUAL. If you put yourself into Snyder's shoes ... the NDSU game was obviously a tough game for him. A leader helps teach him and helps lift him up ... I don't think we were seeing that from King last Saturday.
LeShun and Akrum weren't getting the yards that much last Saturday ... and that could afford them the opportunity to throw the OL under the bus. However, given how inexperienced LeGrand and Render are ... and given how little game experience Boone has at LG ... it's not really surprising that we still have a ton of growth to be had on the OL. Obviously, LeShun has been really positive about things and has been a team-first guy. The leadership council recognized that fact.
In some sense, the team has to circle its wagons and COME TOGETHER. They cannot resort to playing the blame game and throwing each other under the bus.
The thing is that IF King is a team leader ... it's more than just his play that helps to elevate his team. It's also about staying positive and being about TEAM rather than about the INDIVIDUAL. If you put yourself into Snyder's shoes ... the NDSU game was obviously a tough game for him. A leader helps teach him and helps lift him up ... I don't think we were seeing that from King last Saturday.
LeShun and Akrum weren't getting the yards that much last Saturday ... and that could afford them the opportunity to throw the OL under the bus. However, given how inexperienced LeGrand and Render are ... and given how little game experience Boone has at LG ... it's not really surprising that we still have a ton of growth to be had on the OL. Obviously, LeShun has been really positive about things and has been a team-first guy. The leadership council recognized that fact.
In some sense, the team has to circle its wagons and COME TOGETHER. They cannot resort to playing the blame game and throwing each other under the bus.
Think you are reading too much into it. And I have no problem a player calling another player out on the field for not doing the right thing. It means more coming from players than coaches
So some of the team is upset that King wants to win and hold players accountable for multiple mistakes. I think King wants to win and knows the guys out there with are capable. I will side with King on this one. He was one of the few that looked like they wanted to win. Daniels is the last guy I would use as an example as someone who has a right to be mad at teammates.
How is calling a guy out helpful ... particularly IN GAME? Players know when they mess up. In fact, they need to refocus on having a short memory.
Often times, particularly with young players, after a guy messes up ... they try to overcompensate for their mistakes. Whether they intend to or not ... they end up trying to do TOO MUCH. Instead, they should just focus on doing their job ... and perhaps communicate with their cohorts about what they saw and what they should have seen.
Now, I'm not saying that anything that King had done was egregious. It probably wasn't. However, you only win when you're helping everybody to shore up their mistakes. People improve the most from their mistakes when they're allowed to learn from them. If a mistake is treated "too negatively" then it can be harder to learn from.
How do you figure? Do you know for a fact that he was missing his reads? He tripped on first down of our last series ... is that what you're referring to? Otherwise, the success of a RB is always going to be intertwined with the success of the blockers ahead of him.
Coaches yell at players all the time. King is the coach on the field while the defense is out there. Whoever was blowing coverage needed yelled at or benched.
I don't know what the truth is here because I don't know Snyder, but I do know you're painting with a pretty broad stroke and just guessing. Anyone who has managed and/or coached others for a long time knows that different individuals react differently to feedback. Some guys you know you don't have to say a word to, while others simply don't respond if you aren't in their face. I would guess Des would be more knowledgeable about where Snyder falls in that respect than anyone on this board.
Pretty sure some are making a big deal here out of something that isn't.
It say that it all depends on the nature of the mistake. It also depends on the "perpetrator." Young guys are obviously more prone to make mistakes. Also, once a guy has earned a spot ... there is an investment in that player. There is an expectation that they will likely make some mistakes ... but ultimately, they will learn from those mistakes and quit making them. Occasionally, in the past, that has not been the case. Sometimes guys continue to make chronic mistakes ... and, in those instances, the guy definitely merits getting benched.
Absolutely correct ... different guys respond to different types of feedback differently. I'm not a coach ... but I am an educator. The scenario plays out as an exact parallel. Just as a chided player can go into a shell ... so can a student who receives feedback that doesn't mesh with their preferred modes of learning.
True, but what gives you the indication that Snyder had/has gone into a shell? Surely it isn't the fact that King isn't one of the team captains this week.
I think teaching is a little different than being on the field. Not to mention players calling each other out may not be thinking about how a particular player reacts to criticism in the heat of the game.
As others have mentioned - my comments are speculation. I wasn't on the field - I don't know what was said or wasn't said. I'm just putting forth an inference based on available data. As others have indicated and I agree with - at this juncture, I wouldn't read too much into anything at this point. I don't think that King is any villain or anything. On the flip side, nor do I believe that Snyder deserves to be scapegoated either.
With regard to "going into a shell" ... I don't think that was the case with Snyder. However, I am under the impression that perhaps he tried to do to much ... and got himself out of position ... and that contributed to him occasionally being in a poor position to make a good tackle. Too many attempted arm-tackles by MANY Hawk defenders ... and not just Snyder. Also, of course, there were some coverage issues too.
The Hawk D looked good in the first half ... but waned in the second half. Part of that still is attributable to making sure you're playing with good fundamentals ... even if you're tired. Sometimes guys just throw their bodies around ... instead of still being fundamentally sound.
A defense, as a whole, is still an organized learning unit. From prior film study, they've developed a representation of what they expect to see from their opponent. That forms the foundation of their defensive strategy and informs how they might respond to variations in what they see. However, there is still the LEARNING that goes on, in real time, when they see things on the field. They need to make recognitions ... communicate with one another ... and potentially adapt their representation of what they expect from the opponent.
In this process, ideally there is an opportunity for more feedback within the D to identify what they're seeing, learn from it, and adjust accordingly. When you have a veteran D, such adaptation is a more continuous process and is easier to make. However, when you still have plenty of youth/inexperience in the unit ... that still leaves the D a little more susceptible to exploitation.
Playing a game is much more akin to a group learning activity ... where there is a strong selective pressure to perform well. All the same - parallels with education can still be drawn.
Good lord people one of my all time favorite M. Hyde had to step down a couple games it is no big deal
He was the guy that missed the blitz pick up three times for sacks. They replayed every one on national TV to see.
We don't know what the vote count was the previous weeks. If Dez had one more vote than LD than it would take one vote switch. How could you argue against Kittle, MVB, CJ, Josey, Dez, McCarron, etc. Maybe it's because The leadership council is heavy on offensive guys, or maybe LD said something after the game and took ownership of his mistakes. I know one thing, who the captains are will not win or lose the Rutgers game.
Lots of times over the years the captain(s) has been rotated or different for various games. When King's attitude and performance step back up, he'll be re-stated.
Did anybody else hear that Jewell had a severe high ankle sprain after the Ia State game and then dislocated his elbow in. Practice last Wed. He must be tough as nails.I did notice the big brace on elbow but didn't know it was that bad
I think whomever the Captains are has to be at the very bottom of the list of "things to be concerned about" as it relates to Iowa Football.
I'd start at the top of the food chain and move on from there, with plenty of options to choose from.
I'd start at the top of the food chain and move on from there, with plenty of options to choose from.
Wait, you don't think KF was trying to get a first down?
As opposed to..................what exactly?
I believe he did indeed want a 1st down, a couple of them as a matter of fact. He just went about it in an extremely weird way.......................
Maybe it was to show support to Daniels after having a rough showing.
There is no problem with either.
There is no problem with either.
If he did, he'd have been "checking" his ass off.........................
No it is not unprecedented. In 2012 Hyde and Kirksey flopped several times during the year. In 2009 Edds and Clayborn swapped once and in 2010 Julian Vandervelde was replaced by Brett Greenwood for several games. Those are the ones I know about.
Fans are stupid when it comes to this stuff. Everything is over analyzed to the point where it becomes comical.
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