Kirk Herbstreit: Kirk Ferentz 'deserves' a statue in Iowa City
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I’m a fan of these types of programs as well. I would love to a perennial power, but I like what we’ve got and appreciate it.
Ya, herbtreit said Campbell was 'gone' too. Lol
Nevertheless, 2 coaches at iowa over 40 years is impressive.
Nevertheless, 2 coaches at iowa over 40 years is impressive.
But can they make a statue boring enough? 
It is a nice article. I love the positive national press when we get it.
Kirk is a good man and a good coach. I cannot support building a statue for a career 7-5 coach. That would be a Very "little bro" move. Good dude, deserves his name all over Kinnick. Statues for 7-5 screams J.V.
EDIT: if he wins a Natty before he retires he can be career 7-5 and have a statue but I would guess he would be around 8-4 by then.
EDIT: if he wins a Natty before he retires he can be career 7-5 and have a statue but I would guess he would be around 8-4 by then.
Well Hayden got one....and I'm not saying KF deserves one or not. Quite frankly war heroes and heroes of humanity get statues, not Athletes or coaches but people's priorities are all jacked up anymore....just look at this message board!
Hell yeah he's earned it. He's done amazing things at Iowa.
Statue of Kirk, with the turkey leg guy next to him!!!
...on top of the water tower
Ironically his day will be in week two against ISU. A team he’ll be around .500 against.
Well to be fair they are like 8-3 the last 11
Fry kind of fits your criteria. He did some interesting things in the Marines with the Marine football team....scheme and formation wise. And led the integration of the SW conference. Knew George H. Bush and Al Davis. Just an interesting life.
We could have Kirk holding a football and the hand of a child from the children's hospital. Kinda fits, and I don't say that to be humorous. Kirk is an Iowan who lives here because he wants to live here. And he's done much for the hospital as well as our football program. Seems fitting to me and would be a great addition in front of the children's hospital.
And he will have had his long before Kirk. But I'd be in favor of one for Kirk too.
There is a big difference between the two. Fry was an innovator and risk taker. Ferentz is the poster boy for playing. it safe. A good way to tell the legacy of the coach is to look at the head coaches their program produces. Fry's coaching tree is legendary. Ferentz coaching tree is non existent. There should not be statues for carrier 7-5 coaches.
Yes, because he brought Iowa back from the dead not because he is better or did more on the field.
A statue with both of them standing next to each other would seem appropriate.
Respectfully, I understand your thoughts. But I strongly believe that Kirk will deserve one at the end of his career.
And FYI, I attended Hayden's first game in 1979.
It took the type of coach Fry was to bring Iowa football back from he abyss. Ferentz could not of done it. But in fairness few could have.
Well I imagine you are probably an old school guy so I give you great props and respect, with that said your "memories" of Hayden exceed reality. It is because of these kind of thoughts I have often ran down the Fry sub .500 seasons, losses to sub .500 teams, and amount of times his teams scored below 17 points....you'd be shocked to find they are nearly identical...7-5 career indeed.
For that reason I have been called a Hayden hater, but I was 11 years old and AT that Nebbie game when we won 10-7. I am a huge supporter of Hayden Fry, but I'm a bigger fan of reality and the reality is...we are better now than we were then....by pretty much every measurable metric.
Bigger wins, more top 10's, more players drafted, etc.....but at worst both coaches are very similar.
for both Fry and KF: for every 3 games they won, they lost 2
think about that for a second. for some reason people think Hayden won a national title or something.
In fairness, Hayden damned near killed it before he left and Kirk brought it back.
There is some major revisionist history with Fry. One has to wonder in 20 years if there will be that same thing going on with Ferentz.
I know... its odd..... Pre-season I ran down a huge list of the amount of times Hayden lost to sub .500 teams and scored less than 17 points and people got pi$#y with me because they didn't like it and accused me of "hating" him which is ridiculous.
The KF statue should depict him writing in his notepad. The words of the enscription should be upside down.
Idk, by the numbers KF vis-a-vis Fry certainly deserves a statue. Otoh, Fry's personality and charisma are just as much a part of his legend. Maybe that makes the W/L bar just a little higher for KF? KF is close, imo.
Idk, by the numbers KF vis-a-vis Fry certainly deserves a statue. Otoh, Fry's personality and charisma are just as much a part of his legend. Maybe that makes the W/L bar just a little higher for KF? KF is close, imo.
This is a valid point, though as an aside............My Dad LOVED Hayden, though my Uncle who has always been a straight shooting, no frills "Midwestern" cowboy that most all respected did not. And my GM/Owner here at the Ford dealership we both work at now, also worked at a car dealership in Iowa City that supplied Hayden with a car and he never had much good to say about him...
Point being....to each his own.
I think its interesting how so many people forget how bad Iowa was before Hayden. Ill never buy the arguement that is "was just as bad" when Kirk took over. Thats complete bullshit.
Barta should stipulate that if Kirk loses to Iowa State even one time between now and his retirement, the statue will be Kirk in a plaid farmer shirt, kneeling by a bushel of corn, showing a young Brian the ear of corn he's holding in his hand.
yep, who cares if you stuck with the same school for longer than some of your players have been alive....
