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Kirk The Bar At Iowa

Kirk the greatest coach in Hawkeye history?

  • Yes, if he gets into at least one playoff

    Votes: 20 16.4%
  • Yes!!! Resume already good enough

    Votes: 48 39.3%
  • No. He'd need to win at least one playoff game

    Votes: 5 4.1%
  • No!!! He hasn't won anything. Tenure means nothing without titles.

    Votes: 21 17.2%
  • It's all subjective. He runs a clean program. So I don't care

    Votes: 28 23.0%

  • Total voters
    122

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When you think of Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Florida State or Penn State, most can name one guy who defines that program.

At Iowa there are two guys. I know a lot of this depends on your age. But is it Kirk Ferentz or Hayden Fry for you?

Heyden Fry coached at Iowa from 1979 to 1998. He had an overall CFB coaching record of 232-178-10. A bowl record of 7-9-1. He won 3 B1G titles, and was a 3 time B1G coach of the year. He went into the CFB Hall of Fame in 2003

Kirk Ferentz has been the head guy at Iowa since 1999. He has a 208-139 record. He is 10-10 in bowls. He has two B1G shared titles in '02 and '04. He is a 2002 AP and Walter Camp COY. A four time B1G COY.

Pretty comparable imo. I've been very critical of the later part of his career. But that's largely because of who he's kept on staff, and his seemingly blase views on what success looks like. I don't think 1999-2010 Kirk would've done or said what 2018-2024 Kirk has imo. But there's no taking away those first ten years. He was very good.
 
Hayden built a program that was buried deep in the basement for almost 20 years and took it to the penthouse in only his third season. And but for contracting cancer late in his career, he would have coached for many more years. But opposing coaches used his age against him in recruiting, and so Hayden's last couple of years were lacking in talent. But KF was able to rebuild quickly because of the foundation that Hayden had established. Some other facts:

Fry broke the color barrier in the SW Conference.

Fry was an offensive innovator who wasn't afraid to win with offense. But make no mistake: he fully well understood the necessity for an outstanding defense as well as good punters and kickers.

Fry was a risk-taker who promoted that image beyond its reality to his team's benefit. Nobody knew for sure what Fry might do in any given situation.

Fry was a pragmatist, but he never apologized for being Iowa. He never made excuses despite facing about 20 Top 25 teams in nonconference play. But he also adjusted future schedules with the intent to have 1 cupcake, 1 equal opponent, and 1 outstanding opponent.

Fry had an outgoing, entertaining personality, and he wasn't afraid to let his emotions show. When Iowa lost, you could hear it in his voice and see it in his body language. When Iowa won, the joy was equally obvious.

Fry established the modern marketing of the Iowa brand. He originated the Tiger Hawk, Commander Caps, T-shirts, and the Hawkeye brand soon went national. Fry knew college football was entertainment.

Many, many of Fry's assistant coaches went on to great success elsewhere, including Bill Snyder at K-State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin.

Fry ran a clean program.

There's more, but we'll leave it there.

Kirk Ferentz:

KF took over a program that was firmly established and nationally respected despite a couple of down years at the end of Hayden's tenure.

KF always apologizes for being "little ole Iowa." Calls his a "developmental program." Avoids playing good teams in the nonconference. Whereas Fry played about 20 top-ranked teams, KF has played about 3.

KF has a bland, stoic personality. He keeps his emotions mostly to himself. From seeing and hearing him, you would have little clue whether Iowa had won or lost. One of his favorite bits of analysis has been, "That's football."

KF has never embraced the reality that college football is entertainment. He has downplayed Iowa at almost every opportunity. KF even actively campaigned against having the Tiger Hawk logo placed in the middle of Kinnick Stadium or painted on the water tower. He even went so far as to say having the Tiger Hawk on the field would be dumb because it would be upside down to half the stadium.

KF is a conservative's conservative. Despite coaching under Fry for years, KF has almost never done anything innovative, especially on offense. He has regularly punted in his own territory. He has run essentially the same offense for so long that opponent after opponent has admitted they don't have to prepare for Iowa because they already know what the Hawkeyes are going to run in any given situation. (Maybe that finally changes this season with Tim Lester.)

KF has had few assistant coaches go on to success elsewhere.

KF has run a clean program, although the allegations against the program by some Black players cannot be entirely overlooked.

Both Fry and KF won a lot of games for Iowa. Each must be judged in the context of his own time. For me, Hayden Fry is the greatest football coach in Hawkeye history with KF a clear second. Forest Evashevski could have been atop the list, but his tenure was too short. Yet Evy put Iowa on the map in the 1950s with an entertaining, innovative Wing-T offense that he coauthored. And Evy owns the only two Rose Bowl victories in Iowa history.

But as in any evaluation of this type, subjectivity plays a role, so everyone is entitled to an opinion. But it's also worth noting that opinions should only be respected to the degree the facts, the evidence supports them, a point lost on far too many people these days.
 
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Hayden built a program that was buried deep in the basement for almost 20 years and took it to the penthouse in only his third season. And but for contracting cancer late in his career, he would have coached for many more years. But opposing coaches used his age against him in recruiting, and so Hayden's last couple of years were lacking in talent. But KF was able to rebuild quickly because of the foundation that Hayden had established. Some other facts:

Fry broke the color barrier in the SW Conference.

Fry was an offensive innovator who wasn't afraid to win with offense. But make no mistake: he fully well understood the necessity for an outstanding defense as well as good punters and kickers.

Fry was a risk-taker who promoted that image beyond its reality to his team's benefit. Nobody knew for sure what Fry might do in any given situation.

Fry was a pragmatist, but he never apologized for being Iowa. He never made excuses despite facing about 20 Top 25 teams in nonconference play. But he also adjusted future schedules with the intent to have 1 cupcake, 1 equal opponent, and 1 outstanding opponent.

Fry had an outgoing, entertaining personality, and he wasn't afraid to let his emotions show. When Iowa lost, you could hear it in his voice and see it in his body language. When Iowa won, the joy was equally obvious.

Fry established the modern marketing of the Iowa brand. He originated the Tiger Hawk, Commander Caps, T-shirts, and the Hawkeye brand soon went national. Fry knew college football was entertainment.

Many, many of Fry's assistant coaches went on to great success elsewhere, including Bill Snyder at K-State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin.

Fry ran a clean program.

There's more, but we'll leave it there.

Kirk Ferentz:

KF took over a program that was firmly established and nationally respected despite a couple of down years at the end of Hayden's tenure.

KF always apologizes for being "little ole Iowa." Calls his a "developmental program." Avoids playing good teams in the nonconference. Whereas Fry played about 20 top-ranked teams, KF has played about 3.

KF has a bland, stoic personality. He keeps his emotions mostly to himself. From seeing and hearing him, you would have little clue whether Iowa had won or lost. One of his favorite bits of analysis has been, "That's football."

KF has never embraced the reality that college football is entertainment. He has downplayed Iowa at almost every opportunity. KF even actively campaigned against having the Tiger Hawk logo placed in the middle of Kinnick Stadium or painted on the water tower. He even went so far as to say having the Tiger Hawk on the field would be dumb because it would be upside down to half the stadium.

KF is a conservative's conservative. Despite coaching under Fry for years, KF has almost never done anything innovative, especially on offense. He has regularly punted in his own territory. He has run essentially the same offense for so long that opponent after opponent has admitted they don't have to prepare for Iowa because they already know what the Hawkeyes are going to run in any given situation. (Maybe that finally changes this season with Tim Lester.)

KF has had few assistant coaches go on to success elsewhere.

KF has run a clean program, although the allegations against the program by some Black players cannot be entirely overlooked.

Both Fry and KF won a lot of games for Iowa. Each must be judged in the context of his own time. For me, Hayden Fry is the greatest football coach in Hawkeye history with KF a clear second. Forest Evashevski could have been atop the list, but his tenure was too short. Yet Evy put Iowa on the map in the 1950s with an entertaining, innovative Wing-T offense that he coauthored. And Evy owns the only two Rose Bowl victories in Iowa history.

But as in any evaluation of this type, subjectivity plays a role, so everyone is entitled to an opinion. But it's also worth noting that opinions should only be respected to the degree the facts, the evidence supports them, a point lost on far too many people these days.
Good thing KF embraced the reality that college football is about winning
 
Hayden built a program that was buried deep in the basement for almost 20 years and took it to the penthouse in only his third season. And but for contracting cancer late in his career, he would have coached for many more years. But opposing coaches used his age against him in recruiting, and so Hayden's last couple of years were lacking in talent. But KF was able to rebuild quickly because of the foundation that Hayden had established. Some other facts:

Fry broke the color barrier in the SW Conference.

Fry was an offensive innovator who wasn't afraid to win with offense. But make no mistake: he fully well understood the necessity for an outstanding defense as well as good punters and kickers.

Fry was a risk-taker who promoted that image beyond its reality to his team's benefit. Nobody knew for sure what Fry might do in any given situation.

Fry was a pragmatist, but he never apologized for being Iowa. He never made excuses despite facing about 20 Top 25 teams in nonconference play. But he also adjusted future schedules with the intent to have 1 cupcake, 1 equal opponent, and 1 outstanding opponent.

Fry had an outgoing, entertaining personality, and he wasn't afraid to let his emotions show. When Iowa lost, you could hear it in his voice and see it in his body language. When Iowa won, the joy was equally obvious.

Fry established the modern marketing of the Iowa brand. He originated the Tiger Hawk, Commander Caps, T-shirts, and the Hawkeye brand soon went national. Fry knew college football was entertainment.

Many, many of Fry's assistant coaches went on to great success elsewhere, including Bill Snyder at K-State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin.

Fry ran a clean program.

There's more, but we'll leave it there.

Kirk Ferentz:

KF took over a program that was firmly established and nationally respected despite a couple of down years at the end of Hayden's tenure.

KF always apologizes for being "little ole Iowa." Calls his a "developmental program." Avoids playing good teams in the nonconference. Whereas Fry played about 20 top-ranked teams, KF has played about 3.

KF has a bland, stoic personality. He keeps his emotions mostly to himself. From seeing and hearing him, you would have little clue whether Iowa had won or lost. One of his favorite bits of analysis has been, "That's football."

KF has never embraced the reality that college football is entertainment. He has downplayed Iowa at almost every opportunity. KF even actively campaigned against having the Tiger Hawk logo placed in the middle of Kinnick Stadium or painted on the water tower. He even went so far as to say having the Tiger Hawk on the field would be dumb because it would be upside down to half the stadium.

KF is a conservative's conservative. Despite coaching under Fry for years, KF has almost never done anything innovative, especially on offense. He has regularly punted in his own territory. He has run essentially the same offense for so long that opponent after opponent has admitted they don't have to prepare for Iowa because they already know what the Hawkeyes are going to run in any given situation. (Maybe that finally changes this season with Tim Lester.)

KF has had few assistant coaches go on to success elsewhere.

KF has run a clean program, although the allegations against the program by some Black players cannot be entirely overlooked.

Both Fry and KF won a lot of games for Iowa. Each must be judged in the context of his own time. For me, Hayden Fry is the greatest football coach in Hawkeye history with KF a clear second. Forest Evashevski could have been atop the list, but his tenure was too short. Yet Evy put Iowa on the map in the 1950s with an entertaining, innovative Wing-T offense that he coauthored. And Evy owns the only two Rose Bowl victories in Iowa history.

But as in any evaluation of this type, subjectivity plays a role, so everyone is entitled to an opinion. But it's also worth noting that opinions should only be respected to the degree the facts, the evidence supports them, a point lost on far too many people these days.
Good points, only thing I'd throw in is it was really only 1 down year at the end of Hayden's tenure...98. That 97 team was ranked all season up until the last regular season game and were #12 after 8 games. If they had a decent QB they wouldn't have fizzled out like they did but they were still a bowl team at 7-4 regular season.

2 of those 4 losses were back to back road games at Ohio State who finished 12th and at national champion Michigan where Hawks led 21-7 at half before letting it slip away (4 pt loss). No big ten west schedule that season. The other 2 losses were by a combined 4 points at Wisconsin and at NW. That team was talented but just had some gut wrenching losses. The 96 team was 9-3 and finished ranked 18th

The roster needed replenished for sure after 98 but Kirk also inherited quite a few guys who were key in turning it around quickly. Not really comparable to what Hayden walked into in 79
 
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Comparing Hayden and Kirk is pretty much an exercise in futility. They coached in different eras, with different types of players, in a conference that had a different quality of teams, with different rules in place.

For example, while OSU and Michigan were head and shoulders above everyone else, the rest of the conference was pretty much dogcrap. Was a lot easier to stockpile wins against the likes of Northwestern and Wisconsin in the 80's. KF has had to deal with a much more balanced conference in terms of quality of teams. But Hayden typically had 1-2 less total games to work with. And he forced the conference to deal with his style of play (throwing the ball alot more than anyone was accustomed to) and it allowed him to be the one to break thru the "Big 2" stranglehold.

Hayden was more of a program builder and KF is more of a sustainer/enhancer.

Hayden was a great coach, but was also surrounded by great assistants. When those assistants left (with the exception of Brashier), there was a noticeable dropoff in production/results. His last double digit win season was in year 13. KF has had 2 double digit win seasons in the last 3 (years 23 & 25).

Hayden played a different style of ball and he didn't mind running up the score on folks. He typically beat the teams he was supposed to, but seemed to struggle alot against better teams. KF has always kept it close, which has caused him to get beat by lesser teams/teams he was heavy favorites against, but also did much better against teams perceived to be better than his.

Trying to decide which is better is like asking which of my kids I love the most. It's an impossible task and both men have been a part of great teams and have both brought countless memories (and heartbreak) to multiple generations of fans. Enjoy both of them for what they are/were.
 
Hayden built a program that was buried deep in the basement for almost 20 years and took it to the penthouse in only his third season. And but for contracting cancer late in his career, he would have coached for many more years. But opposing coaches used his age against him in recruiting, and so Hayden's last couple of years were lacking in talent. But KF was able to rebuild quickly because of the foundation that Hayden had established. Some other facts:

Fry broke the color barrier in the SW Conference.

Fry was an offensive innovator who wasn't afraid to win with offense. But make no mistake: he fully well understood the necessity for an outstanding defense as well as good punters and kickers.

Fry was a risk-taker who promoted that image beyond its reality to his team's benefit. Nobody knew for sure what Fry might do in any given situation.

Fry was a pragmatist, but he never apologized for being Iowa. He never made excuses despite facing about 20 Top 25 teams in nonconference play. But he also adjusted future schedules with the intent to have 1 cupcake, 1 equal opponent, and 1 outstanding opponent.

Fry had an outgoing, entertaining personality, and he wasn't afraid to let his emotions show. When Iowa lost, you could hear it in his voice and see it in his body language. When Iowa won, the joy was equally obvious.

Fry established the modern marketing of the Iowa brand. He originated the Tiger Hawk, Commander Caps, T-shirts, and the Hawkeye brand soon went national. Fry knew college football was entertainment.

Many, many of Fry's assistant coaches went on to great success elsewhere, including Bill Snyder at K-State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin.

Fry ran a clean program.

There's more, but we'll leave it there.

Kirk Ferentz:

KF took over a program that was firmly established and nationally respected despite a couple of down years at the end of Hayden's tenure.

KF always apologizes for being "little ole Iowa." Calls his a "developmental program." Avoids playing good teams in the nonconference. Whereas Fry played about 20 top-ranked teams, KF has played about 3.

KF has a bland, stoic personality. He keeps his emotions mostly to himself. From seeing and hearing him, you would have little clue whether Iowa had won or lost. One of his favorite bits of analysis has been, "That's football."

KF has never embraced the reality that college football is entertainment. He has downplayed Iowa at almost every opportunity. KF even actively campaigned against having the Tiger Hawk logo placed in the middle of Kinnick Stadium or painted on the water tower. He even went so far as to say having the Tiger Hawk on the field would be dumb because it would be upside down to half the stadium.

KF is a conservative's conservative. Despite coaching under Fry for years, KF has almost never done anything innovative, especially on offense. He has regularly punted in his own territory. He has run essentially the same offense for so long that opponent after opponent has admitted they don't have to prepare for Iowa because they already know what the Hawkeyes are going to run in any given situation. (Maybe that finally changes this season with Tim Lester.)

KF has had few assistant coaches go on to success elsewhere.

KF has run a clean program, although the allegations against the program by some Black players cannot be entirely overlooked.

Both Fry and KF won a lot of games for Iowa. Each must be judged in the context of his own time. For me, Hayden Fry is the greatest football coach in Hawkeye history with KF a clear second. Forest Evashevski could have been atop the list, but his tenure was too short. Yet Evy put Iowa on the map in the 1950s with an entertaining, innovative Wing-T offense that he coauthored. And Evy owns the only two Rose Bowl victories in Iowa history.

But as in any evaluation of this type, subjectivity plays a role, so everyone is entitled to an opinion. But it's also worth noting that opinions should only be respected to the degree the facts, the evidence supports them, a point lost on far too many people these days.
Tough call for sure. As for evidence and facts...which data you use and how you interpret it makes a difference. As Twain is credited with saying... There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Hayden and Kirk were/are both exceptional in their own way. Like you, I see Hayden, Kirk and Evy very much the way you described.
 
Easy. Twenty straight losing seasons. Hayden immediately turns things around and hires Kirk as an assistant. Without Hayden there is no turnaround and no Kirk.
Great point on no Hayden, no Kirk. Because of Hayden Iowa could have gotten Bob Stoops if Bowlsby hadn't shit the bed on that interview and because of Hayden Iowa ended up with a guy like Kirk as the back up plan. Could have done waaay worse

Like Terry Allen....who was interviewed IIRC and is probably the caliber Iowa ends up with without Hayden
 
Great point on no Hayden, no Kirk. Because of Hayden Iowa could have gotten Bob Stoops if Bowlsby hadn't shit the bed on that interview and because of Hayden Iowa ended up with a guy like Kirk as the back up plan. Could have done waaay worse

Like Terry Allen....who was interviewed IIRC and is probably the caliber Iowa ends up with without Hayden
Thank God this didn't happen.
 
No right or wrong answer. Both have/had remarkable, long careers with a lot of success. Different eras that just can't be compared. I give an edge to Hayden for quickly building a program from rock bottom, and I certainly preferred his personality. I don't think KF could have done the rebuild he did or had a chance at sustained success without the foundation that Hayden first laid, but I certainly give him credit for what he's done (despite my criticisms of him in recent years). Whoever eventually replaces KF is going to have big legacy shoes to fill.
 
Crazy to think that Hayden's first contract at Iowa paid him $45k/year. Different eras for sure!
 
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Evy > than both…

Disagree, but that’s not an unreasonable position.

I just think that rebuilding the program from two decades of losing is an amazing coaching job, particularly at a location with a small population, and no great historical track record.
 
Disagree, but that’s not an unreasonable position.

I just think that rebuilding the program from two decades of losing is an amazing coaching job, particularly at a location with a small population, and no great historical track record.
When Evy arrived, the program was pretty much what Fry found…when Evy quit coaching, Iowa’s talent pool was second to none. Evy won a bunch of games … I understand it was a different game from today, but Evy gave Iowa football a reason to hope. He honestly could have been elected Governor… except Iowa already had a Democrat as Governor.
 
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When Evy arrived, tge program was pretty much what Fry found…when Evy quit coaching, Iowa’s talent pool was second to none. Evy won a bunch of fanes… I understand it was a different game from today, but Evy gave Iowa football a reason to hope. He honestly could have been elected Governor… except Iowa already had a Democrat as Governor.
Unfortunately, his ego was bigger than his brains and he was convinced he could run the athletic dept. And he did.....right into the ground.
 
When Evy arrived, tge program was pretty much what Fry found…when Evy quit coaching, Iowa’s talent pool was second to none. Evy won a bunch of fanes… I understand it was a different game from today, but Evy gave Iowa football a reason to hope. He honestly could have been elected Governor… except Iowa already had a Democrat as Governor.
Except Evy sabotaged the FB program when he became AD.
 
I'm 42 and I've known two Iowa football head coaches in my entire life. That's remarkable. I would tell you that I lean Kirk, but I absolutely wouldn't blame anyone who leans Fry. I also firmly believe that either man would struggle with the other situation if they were flipped.

For those touting Evashevski, I understand, and would be a lot more sympathetic to that view if he wasn't directly responsible for the smoking crater that Fry rescued.
 
When you think of Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Florida State or Penn State, most can name one guy who defines that program.

At Iowa there are two guys. I know a lot of this depends on your age. But is it Kirk Ferentz or Hayden Fry for you?

Heyden Fry coached at Iowa from 1979 to 1998. He had an overall CFB coaching record of 232-178-10. A bowl record of 7-9-1. He won 3 B1G titles, and was a 3 time B1G coach of the year. He went into the CFB Hall of Fame in 2003

Kirk Ferentz has been the head guy at Iowa since 1999. He has a 208-139 record. He is 10-10 in bowls. He has two B1G shared titles in '02 and '04. He is a 2002 AP and Walter Camp COY. A four time B1G COY.

Pretty comparable imo. I've been very critical of the later part of his career. But that's largely because of who he's kept on staff, and his seemingly blase views on what success looks like. I don't think 1999-2010 Kirk would've done or said what 2018-2024 Kirk has imo. But there's no taking away those first ten years. He was very good.
Evy took a downtrodden program and won a Natty Title and Big Championship(s) in a short tenure. He could have kept winning if he stayed another 10 years.

Then Hayden for again the total out of nothing rebuild in a short time and then Kirk.

But Hayden and Kirk didnt win a big one really.
 
Hayden built a program that was buried deep in the basement for almost 20 years and took it to the penthouse in only his third season. And but for contracting cancer late in his career, he would have coached for many more years. But opposing coaches used his age against him in recruiting, and so Hayden's last couple of years were lacking in talent. But KF was able to rebuild quickly because of the foundation that Hayden had established. Some other facts:

Fry broke the color barrier in the SW Conference.

Fry was an offensive innovator who wasn't afraid to win with offense. But make no mistake: he fully well understood the necessity for an outstanding defense as well as good punters and kickers.

Fry was a risk-taker who promoted that image beyond its reality to his team's benefit. Nobody knew for sure what Fry might do in any given situation.

Fry was a pragmatist, but he never apologized for being Iowa. He never made excuses despite facing about 20 Top 25 teams in nonconference play. But he also adjusted future schedules with the intent to have 1 cupcake, 1 equal opponent, and 1 outstanding opponent.

Fry had an outgoing, entertaining personality, and he wasn't afraid to let his emotions show. When Iowa lost, you could hear it in his voice and see it in his body language. When Iowa won, the joy was equally obvious.

Fry established the modern marketing of the Iowa brand. He originated the Tiger Hawk, Commander Caps, T-shirts, and the Hawkeye brand soon went national. Fry knew college football was entertainment.

Many, many of Fry's assistant coaches went on to great success elsewhere, including Bill Snyder at K-State and Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin.

Fry ran a clean program.

There's more, but we'll leave it there.

Kirk Ferentz:

KF took over a program that was firmly established and nationally respected despite a couple of down years at the end of Hayden's tenure.

KF always apologizes for being "little ole Iowa." Calls his a "developmental program." Avoids playing good teams in the nonconference. Whereas Fry played about 20 top-ranked teams, KF has played about 3.

KF has a bland, stoic personality. He keeps his emotions mostly to himself. From seeing and hearing him, you would have little clue whether Iowa had won or lost. One of his favorite bits of analysis has been, "That's football."

KF has never embraced the reality that college football is entertainment. He has downplayed Iowa at almost every opportunity. KF even actively campaigned against having the Tiger Hawk logo placed in the middle of Kinnick Stadium or painted on the water tower. He even went so far as to say having the Tiger Hawk on the field would be dumb because it would be upside down to half the stadium.

KF is a conservative's conservative. Despite coaching under Fry for years, KF has almost never done anything innovative, especially on offense. He has regularly punted in his own territory. He has run essentially the same offense for so long that opponent after opponent has admitted they don't have to prepare for Iowa because they already know what the Hawkeyes are going to run in any given situation. (Maybe that finally changes this season with Tim Lester.)

KF has had few assistant coaches go on to success elsewhere.

KF has run a clean program, although the allegations against the program by some Black players cannot be entirely overlooked.

Both Fry and KF won a lot of games for Iowa. Each must be judged in the context of his own time. For me, Hayden Fry is the greatest football coach in Hawkeye history with KF a clear second. Forest Evashevski could have been atop the list, but his tenure was too short. Yet Evy put Iowa on the map in the 1950s with an entertaining, innovative Wing-T offense that he coauthored. And Evy owns the only two Rose Bowl victories in Iowa history.

But as in any evaluation of this type, subjectivity plays a role, so everyone is entitled to an opinion. But it's also worth noting that opinions should only be respected to the degree the facts, the evidence supports them, a point lost on far too many people these days.
I'd throw in a caveat or two on your Fry embelishment. Some of it is the same revisionist history we hear on this board every couple of years. First quite a few of those "top 20 teams" that Fry played in the non conf schedule were on the schedule before he got to Iowa. He IS the one who made some considerable changes in to who we played, to "lighten" the schedule. My biggest issue with this same thing we hear about Fry is what an innovator he was. Yet we had just as much trouble ACTUALLY scoring points against good teams as we ever have under KF. Go back and actually look at the scores from many of Frys games against ranked teams. We struggled mightily to score, and there were a lot of single didget scoring games against good teams. What Hayden did was pile it on, on the crap teams and there were a lot of crap teams in the B1G back then. Not to mention we got our asses kicked in a few bowl games under old Hayden as well. What Fry did a great job of is changing the perception of Iowa football, and making the fan base believe again. He'll always be revered here.
 
That was while he was AD. He should have stayed head coach and took the AD job and let his Asst ADs do everything
The Athletic Board of Control ran the AD back then. I believe they refused to let Evy have both the AD and FB jobs….but allowed him to choose one or the other. There were loads of scandals running just under the surface of the program back then…Iowa’s AD, Paul Brechler (press box) left Iowa to become a Commissioner for a Western conference (he had a rumored affair with his secretary (some said an Evy induced rumor), there were all kinds of “recruiting scandals” (Cal Jones, Alex Karras to mention two) and Evy was really pissed when the University “flunked out” his player Willie Fleming..(the best football player Evy ever coached, according to Evy)…
Interesting times with interesting people involved. Once Evy took the AD job, the University got rid of the Board of Athletic Control and the AD/Athletic Department came under direct University (Presidential) control… another sure point with Evy.
 
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Unfortunately, his ego was bigger than his brains and he was convinced he could run the athletic dept. And he did.....right into the ground.
There us truth to this but there were a lot of personalities involved and the University made some decisions back then that are still with us today….since these changes were made, the AD has been relative scandal free and competitive athletically. However, a lot of it has not been smoothe sailing, either. But there are always going to be personalities involved…. And egos.
 
What was a ticket to get in that first year, $5?
Probably pretty close to that. Below is a stub from 79 at Illinois.


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Probably pretty close to that. Below is a stub from 79 at Illinois.


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And I think Hayden was paid $45,000 in 1979. Head coach salaries have escalated by over 150x, while ticket prices only 6x. I guess we're lucky ticket prices didn't keep pace with head coaching salaries. (I guess if you factor in the license fees for tickets, they have gone up in some cases over 75x) :)
 
I was 16 when Fry was hired and my Dad said it was a great hire, he was in the testing business and had contacts all around the USA. He said the same thing when Lute was hired. I'll always have an affinity for Fry.

I have met both Fry and KF. One thing about both of them is they have a mnemonic memory and I would run into them occasionally and they remembered my name. Pretty crazy stuff.
 
I was 16 when Fry was hired and my Dad said it was a great hire, he was in the testing business and had contacts all around the USA. He said the same thing when Lute was hired. I'll always have an affinity for Fry.

I have met both Fry and KF. One thing about both of them is they have a mnemonic memory and I would run into them occasionally and they remembered my name. Pretty crazy stuff.
Well "ICWestfan" is a pretty memorable name
 
Unfortunately, his ego was bigger than his brains and he was convinced he could run the athletic dept. And he did.....right into the ground.
Don't think Evy was cut out to be behind a desk. Much like Gen. Patton. But the question / poll posed was "Greatest Coach" and any credible response really should include FE in the discussion. (I also get the HF and KF support)
 
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