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Let's do a compare/contrast: Trump v. Clinton, post-impeachment speech

torbee

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This came up as a topic in another thread, but I thought it was interesting enough to merit its own.

Someone asked whether Clinton showed any remorse/regret in his post-impeachment statement, considering Trump was going to double down on victimhood and anger.

Let's go to the tape and compare/contrast it with current POTUS*:

President Bill Clinton
Aug. 17, 1998
CLINTON: Good evening.

This afternoon in this room, from this chair, I testified before the Office of Independent Counsel and the grand jury.

I answered their questions truthfully, including questions about my private life, questions no American citizen would ever want to answer.

Still, I must take complete responsibility for all my actions, both public and private. And that is why I am speaking to you tonight.

As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with Monica Lewinsky. While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information.

Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.

But I told the grand jury today and I say to you now that at no time did I ask anyone to lie, to hide or destroy evidence or to take any other unlawful action.

I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that.

I can only tell you I was motivated by many factors. First, by a desire to protect myself from the embarrassment of my own conduct.

I was also very concerned about protecting my family. The fact that these questions were being asked in a politically inspired lawsuit, which has since been dismissed, was a consideration, too.

In addition, I had real and serious concerns about an independent counsel investigation that began with private business dealings 20 years ago, dealings I might add about which an independent federal agency found no evidence of any wrongdoing by me or my wife over two years ago.

The independent counsel investigation moved on to my staff and friends, then into my private life. And now the investigation itself is under investigation.

This has gone on too long, cost too much and hurt too many innocent people.

Now, this matter is between me, the two people I love most -- my wife and our daughter -- and our God. I must put it right, and I am prepared to do whatever it takes to do so.

Nothing is more important to me personally. But it is private, and I intend to reclaim my family life for my family. It's nobody's business but ours.

Even presidents have private lives. It is time to stop the pursuit of personal destruction and the prying into private lives and get on with our national life.

Our country has been distracted by this matter for too long, and I take my responsibility for my part in all of this. That is all I can do.

Now it is time -- in fact, it is past time to move on.

We have important work to do -- real opportunities to seize, real problems to solve, real security matters to face.

And so tonight, I ask you to turn away from the spectacle of the past seven months, to repair the fabric of our national discourse, and to return our attention to all the challenges and all the promise of the next American century.

Thank you for watching. And good night.
 
This came up as a topic in another thread, but I thought it was interesting enough to merit its own.

Someone asked whether Clinton showed any remorse/regret in his post-impeachment statement, considering Trump was going to double down on victimhood and anger.

Let's go to the tape and compare/contrast it with current POTUS*:

President Bill Clinton
Aug. 17, 1998
CLINTON: Good evening.

This afternoon in this room, from this chair, I testified before the Office of Independent Counsel and the grand jury.

I answered their questions truthfully, including questions about my private life, questions no American citizen would ever want to answer.

Still, I must take complete responsibility for all my actions, both public and private. And that is why I am speaking to you tonight.

As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with Monica Lewinsky. While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information.

Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.

But I told the grand jury today and I say to you now that at no time did I ask anyone to lie, to hide or destroy evidence or to take any other unlawful action.

I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that.

I can only tell you I was motivated by many factors. First, by a desire to protect myself from the embarrassment of my own conduct.

I was also very concerned about protecting my family. The fact that these questions were being asked in a politically inspired lawsuit, which has since been dismissed, was a consideration, too.

In addition, I had real and serious concerns about an independent counsel investigation that began with private business dealings 20 years ago, dealings I might add about which an independent federal agency found no evidence of any wrongdoing by me or my wife over two years ago.

The independent counsel investigation moved on to my staff and friends, then into my private life. And now the investigation itself is under investigation.

This has gone on too long, cost too much and hurt too many innocent people.

Now, this matter is between me, the two people I love most -- my wife and our daughter -- and our God. I must put it right, and I am prepared to do whatever it takes to do so.

Nothing is more important to me personally. But it is private, and I intend to reclaim my family life for my family. It's nobody's business but ours.

Even presidents have private lives. It is time to stop the pursuit of personal destruction and the prying into private lives and get on with our national life.

Our country has been distracted by this matter for too long, and I take my responsibility for my part in all of this. That is all I can do.

Now it is time -- in fact, it is past time to move on.

We have important work to do -- real opportunities to seize, real problems to solve, real security matters to face.

And so tonight, I ask you to turn away from the spectacle of the past seven months, to repair the fabric of our national discourse, and to return our attention to all the challenges and all the promise of the next American century.

Thank you for watching. And good night.
I am beginning to think you really do lack a grasp of basic reality. Clinton thought he made a bad mistake and did something wrong. Trump believes what he did was “perfect.”
 
I am beginning to think you really do lack a grasp of basic reality. Clinton thought he made a bad mistake and did something wrong. Trump believes what he did was “perfect.”
If you believe that he truly believe that, you are a bigger sucker and chump than I thought. And I already thought you were a major sucker.
 
If you believe that he truly believe that, you are a bigger sucker and chump than I thought. And I already thought you were a major sucker.
He absolutely believes he did nothing wrong.

And even if he didn’t, that is his position. Why on Earth would he apologize for doing something he denies he did?
 
Let’s compare and contrast media coverage of Trump/Clinton

Lol
Ok. Which one got every campaign rally national televised in prime time? Not Clinton. The media loves Trump and will do everything they can to get him attention.
 
I am beginning to think you really do lack a grasp of basic reality. Clinton thought he made a bad mistake and did something wrong. Trump believes what he did was “perfect.”
If I understand what you are saying is that Clinton isn't as big of a piece of shit as trump?
 
You don't believe Trump is delusional?

LC is right.
People who don't believe what they did was wrong don't pull every single lever of power possible to block witnesses, evidence and testimony.

People who believe they are innocent insist upon testifying themselves.

Has part of his adderal-addled brain likely convinced his ego that what he did wasn't "wrong?" Perhaps. But his actions and those of his enablers are far more compelling.
 
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I am beginning to think you really do lack a grasp of basic reality. Clinton thought he made a bad mistake and did something wrong. Trump believes what he did was “perfect.”
Clinton thought the only mistake he made was getting caught. He lied under oath and he knew it. Trump doesn’t give a $#£¥.
 
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People who don't believe what they did was wrong don't pull every single lever of power possible to block witnesses, evidence and testimony.

People who believe they are innocent insist upon testifying themselves.

Has part of his adderal-addled brain likely convinced his ego that what he did wasn't "wrong?" Perhaps. But his actions and those of his enablers are far more compelling.

Trump has done that his entire life.
 
Orly?

Then why did he block witnesses? Why did he block documents?

My God man, you have completely disengaged from reality. Seek help.

Why did he claim "I WANT NOTHING" in a phone call shortly after realizing there is a whistle blower complaint? Why did he have to use his personal attorney and maintain an "irregular" diplomacy channel?

Trump's act is for his MAGA Army, who want to feel like winners. If he started admitting anything, apologizing for anything, he'd lose some of that strongman winner illusion that his followers love.
 
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Trump has done that his entire life.
Exactly - which proves that he knows he is doing shady-ass shit. But he denies it, deflects it and refuses to take any personal responsibility.

Hell, I don't even think Clinton was SINCERE in his speech - at least not 100 percent - but at least he had the common goddamn decency to pretend he was.
 
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