No, lacking basic reading comprehension skills and then sounding off about what you didn't understand is beyond stupid.
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No, lacking basic reading comprehension skills and then sounding off about what you didn't understand is beyond stupid.
In my defense, I didn't read entire post due to laziness, but I stand by my comment when regarding ISU vs Iowa talent level
That's cool, but if you're going to take the time to post a comment, let alone one stating something is "beyond stupid," perhaps you should take the time to read a little more carefully.
For the record, I am proud of the kids who have committed to the Iowa program and worked hard to become a success story. I also think it's great how many former Hawkeyes are on an NFL roster in comparison to a lot of the traditional blue bloods. But, as I pointed out in many posts, a lot of those kids (IMHO) developed into NFL prospects due to hard work and the influence of the Hawkeye coaching staff--not because they were blue chip top 100 recruits out of high school. Granted, high school rankings aren't always the gospel truth and have been wrong plenty of times, but they are usually a pretty fair indicator of talent.
Also, it's worth noting, Iowa State has a few former players in the NFL, as well. But again, I said I didn't think MOST years there was a SIGNIFICANT difference in talent between Iowa and Iowa State. Yes, a few years, there have been. But in general, in my opinion, the gap is not as large as some would like to think from a purely talent standpoint. That can be argued against, cool, but to call it beyond stupid is completely off base. That's why I took offense.
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Bingo, you said what I was thinking.
The talent level has never been close. This is why its so freaking frustrating to get beat by ISU! Even when Iowa was in transitional years with coaching we still sent more players to the NFL.
Iowa develops the talent they get into the program and turns them into pro prospects. Is this really that hard of a concept to grasp?
Do you think Iowa's NFL players would have made it to the NFL if they went to ISU?
That's a great question. Since a lot of former Hawkeyes in the NFL are offensive lineman, and Iowa State has like...what, one former OL in the NFL, I would suspect in most cases no. Tight end is another position that former Hawkeyes are well represented in the NFL. And I think there's a good reason for that.
Ferentz and staff seem to have a good reputation with a lot of NFL scouts and personnel, and that rapport probably goes a long way with former Hawkeyes (particularly at the two aforementioned positions) getting a serious look by a lot of NFL teams.
There's a lot of talented kids throughout the country who don't get drafted, and there are many reasons for that, one being that there are so many kids getting evaluated every year. In short, there'll always be a few who slip through the cracks. And, just like with high school recruiting, there are always a few highly rated prospects who end up being busts and don't pan out, just like there are always a few 2-star prospects who end up becoming NFL bound by the end of their college careers.
In terms of raw numbers of guys to the NFL from Iowa and from Iowa State, you are correct. But the same program/mindset that allows Iowa to punch above its recruiting weight also makes it possible for a motivated opponent to stay close/win. Most of Iowa's NFL talent is at OL, TE, DL (with some DB and LB mixed in). While impressive, the lack of offensive skill position NFL talent is glaring. Iowa hasn't traditionally been able to just out-athlete Iowa State by having a QB turn nothing into something, or a RB just dominate with his talent (Beathard last year and Greene in 2008 were exceptions).
It doesn't excuse some of the perplexing losses that have happened in the series. My point is that Iowa's talent isn't such that it can just roll out and win like an OSU.
I can get on board with this post, as you said it is very perplexing some of the losses against ISU. But it is an in state rivalry game and even though on paper Iowa should win almost every year, you can throw all that out due to the fact it is an intense instate rivalry game.
Yes, this is exactly right. And I agree on paper Iowa was the better team almost every year. Again, and this is just my opinion, if you are evaluating talent on a player-by-player basis, though, I don't think the talent gap most years was as wide as a lot of people would believe. Perhaps there were quite a few years where Iowa had a significantly better offensive line, but as far as skill position players are concerned, not so much.
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