Little Bro being little bro.....

[EZ2BJZ]

2011 they blew out a ranked Texas Tech team on the road and beat #2 Oklahoma State. 2005 Iowa State was better than Iowa. 2007 Iowa wasn't very good that year. I'll give you 2014. Far from most years though

Yeah, I think I meant 2012, not 2011. Iowa was vastly overrated in 2005, but look how Iowa State played the weeks following the Iowa game. Iowa wasn't good in 2007, but so what? Look how Iowa State played the rest of that season. We'll probably have to agree to disagree.

 

[CyCity]

Yeah, I think I meant 2012, not 2011. Iowa was vastly overrated in 2005, but look how Iowa State played the weeks following the Iowa game. Iowa wasn't good in 2007, but so what? Look how Iowa State played the rest of that season. We'll probably have to agree to disagree.

2012 Iowa State was better than Iowa too. Either way ISU's best game isn't most of the time the Iowa game, that's not even close to being true

 

[EZ2BJZ]

2012 Iowa State was better than Iowa too. Either way ISU's best game isn't most of the time the Iowa game, that's not even close to being true

I just looked up 2012. You're right, that was a bad example and I was wrong on that.

2002 their biggest win was certainly Iowa. 2005 it was either Iowa or Colorado, and the way Colorado finished the season, I would say it was Iowa. In 2007, Iowa State didn't beat anyone with a winning record (Iowa finished 6-6). You already conceded 2014.

So I would argue that most the years Iowa State beat Iowa, that was their biggest win of the season. In recent memory.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

2012 Iowa State was better than Iowa too. Either way ISU's best game isn't most of the time the Iowa game, that's not even close to being true

And let's be real: that 2012 game wasn't what anyone would call a barn burner.

 

[CyCity]

I just looked up 2012. You're right, that was a bad example and I was wrong on that.

2002 their biggest win was certainly Iowa. 2005 it was either Iowa or Colorado, and the way Colorado finished the season, I would say it was Iowa. In 2007, Iowa State didn't beat anyone with a winning record (Iowa finished 6-6). You already conceded 2014.

So I would argue that most the years Iowa State beat Iowa, that was their biggest win of the season. In recent memory.

Even if you consider Iowa the biggest win of 2005 which I wouldn't that means 3 of the last 13 years Iowa State played their best game against Iowa. 2007 it was Colorado, they were the only bowl team ISU beat

 

[HerkyFan]

2011 they blew out a ranked Texas Tech team on the road and beat #2 Oklahoma State. 2005 Iowa State was better than Iowa. 2007 Iowa wasn't very good that year. I'll give you 2014. Far from most years though

2002.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Even if you consider Iowa the biggest win of 2005 which I wouldn't that means 3 of the last 13 years Iowa State played their best game against Iowa. 2007 it was Colorado, they were the only bowl team ISU beat

I was only talking about the years Iowa State beat Iowa.

 

[CyCity]

I was only talking about the years Iowa State beat Iowa.

2 or 3 out of the last 6 wins isn't most and that's even cherry picking to start the debate in 2002.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

2 or 3 out of the last 6 wins isn't most and that's even cherry picking to start the debate in 2002.

I concede. Well played.

And I forgot Colorado made a bowl in 2007.

 

[I4cy]

489 posts by hawks about ISU, amazing. Hey jeffy, stopped by your place for lunch, was that you peeking out the window??

 

[Tclone99]

Iowa state had some very very good skill position guys, especially at WR. They also had some defenders that could and would fly around especially for the Iowa game. I know no matter the year and no matter the talent discrepancy not to take the game lightly. That is why I in fact hate ISU with a passion, because you can't honestly tell me that on most years there are two teams that are seen on the field. The team that plays Iowa and then the rest of the 11 games-two completely different teams (although there are some games like OSU a few years back sprinkled in there)

For Cripes sake tell me you don't really still buy this stupid myth.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

For Cripes sake tell me you don't really still buy this stupid myth.

Absolutely think ISU plays a few complete games a year and look at least like a P5 team, Iowa is always one of them. Even when Iowa wins it is a relatively good game (only a few blowouts with Iowa winning) it's not a myth at all really and it's baffling really. I've watched enough ISU games to notice there are often 2 different jeckle and Hyde like teams. The team that I watched play Iowa and the one that played the other 9 games (maybe not all 11) sometimes I scratch my head and wonder how did this team just lose to FCS team after they play Iowa??? You seriously think that is mythical?

 

[I4cy]

Absolutely think ISU plays a few complete games a year and look at least like a P5 team, Iowa is always one of them. Even when Iowa wins it is a relatively good game (only a few blowouts with Iowa winning) it's not a myth at all really and it's baffling really. I've watched enough ISU games to notice there are often 2 different jeckle and Hyde like teams. The team that I watched play Iowa and the one that played the other 9 games (maybe not all 11) sometimes I scratch my head and wonder how did this team just lose to FCS team after they play Iowa??? You seriously think that is mythical?

it's very easy, hawks are not better than ISU at the starting level, when depth comes into play hawks win.

 

[5Fan5]

2011 they blew out a ranked Texas Tech team on the road and beat #2 Oklahoma State. 2005 Iowa State was better than Iowa. 2007 Iowa wasn't very good that year. I'll give you 2014. Far from most years though

Perfect example....

That Tech team was ranked all of a single week during that season and finished the season 5-7. Oklahoma State was a patented OT three-point win at home following some very disturbing events for the Cowboy athletic department.

Could not have picked two games to fail to prove your point if I had tried.

 

[5Fan5]

it's very easy, hawks are not better than ISU at the starting level, when depth comes into play hawks win.

Great... now we are down to arguing position by position, unit by unit.

Not sure you really want to go there because you would be proven wrong yet once again.

 

[CyCity]

Perfect example....

That Tech team was ranked all of a single week during that season and finished the season 5-7. Oklahoma State was a patented OT three-point win at home following some very disturbing events for the Cowboy athletic department.

Could not have picked two games to fail to prove your point if I had tried.

Even Oklahoma State fans don't use that as an excuse considering they had a three TD lead. You can keep telling yourself ISU plays their best game of the season against Iowa but it won't make it true.

 

[Lone Clone]

I just looked up 2012. You're right, that was a bad example and I was wrong on that.

2002 their biggest win was certainly Iowa. 2005 it was either Iowa or Colorado, and the way Colorado finished the season, I would say it was Iowa. In 2007, Iowa State didn't beat anyone with a winning record (Iowa finished 6-6). You already conceded 2014.

So I would argue that most the years Iowa State beat Iowa, that was their biggest win of the season. In recent memory.

Actually, regarding 2002, looking back on it now, it makes sense to say Iowa was the biggest win for ISU. However, that wasn't the case at the time. Iowa was unranked, and ISU played a horrible first half.

That ISU team was eerily similar to the 1981 team. Both started strong, including some major victories, and moved into the top ten by mid-season; then the wheels came off. The schedule had a lot to do with that: In '02, ISU played 7 Top 20 teams, 6 of them on the road -- and that doesn't include Iowa, which went on to be a Top 5 team, or Texas Tech, which was ranked off-and-on during the year, but not the week they played ISU. But depth was, and remains, a crucial factor. I think it's one of the key differences between the Iowa and ISU programs. In many years, probably most years, the talent of the starters isn't all that much different. But when guys start to go down, ISU doesn't have comparable backups and Iowa does.

 

[Tclone99]

Still waiting for the isu coach that has a winning record against KF. Not some bogus spin that isu coaches have a higher winning % against KF than the rest of their schedule.

All that shows is how the isu coaches treated the Iowa game as their Super Bowl.

More please.

I have you on ignore but unfortunately got on here without logging in. I already answered your question. Dan McCarney has a winning record against Kirk Ferentz.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Actually, regarding 2002, looking back on it now, it makes sense to say Iowa was the biggest win for ISU. However, that wasn't the case at the time. Iowa was unranked, and ISU played a horrible first half.

That ISU team was eerily similar to the 1981 team. Both started strong, including some major victories, and moved into the top ten by mid-season; then the wheels came off. The schedule had a lot to do with that: In '02, ISU played 7 Top 20 teams, 6 of them on the road -- and that doesn't include Iowa, which went on to be a Top 5 team, or Texas Tech, which was ranked off-and-on during the year, but not the week they played ISU. But depth was, and remains, a crucial factor. I think it's one of the key differences between the Iowa and ISU programs. In many years, probably most years, the talent of the starters isn't all that much different. But when guys start to go down, ISU doesn't have comparable backups and Iowa does.

Because it was week 2 and preseason rankings are useless but directly affect your beloved SOS

 

[5Fan5]

I have you on ignore but unfortunately got on here without logging in. I already answered your question. Dan McCarney has a winning record against Kirk Ferentz.

That's strange. I guess I was unaware that six wins versus six losses over a twelve year span comprised a 'winning record'.

 

[5Fan5]

Even Oklahoma State fans don't use that as an excuse considering they had a three TD lead. You can keep telling yourself ISU plays their best game of the season against Iowa but it won't make it true.

Just like you can keep telling yourself that Sagarin is infallible and that SOS somehow determines the overall strength of a team.

The fact that Okie State has a lead has little of nothing to do with it. The game was a fluke seeing results of the Cowpokes anytime the remainder of that regular season. That other athletes and personnel from the school tragically lost their lives prior to the isu game no doubt had an impact.

But, let's go with Okie State had starters to play with isu... but, when they had to go to the bench...

 

[5Fan5]

it's very easy, hawks are not better than ISU at the starting level, when depth comes into play hawks win.

Can anyone list all the postseason award winners from isu? Anything will do - conference awards included. Be sure to include Outland Trophies, O'Brien Awards, Jim Thorpe Awards, Doak Walker Awaards, John Mackey Awards, Lou Groza Awards, Heisman finalists (at lest you have something here).... Should not be a problem for a team that is just as good 'at the starting level'.

 

[CyCity]

Just like you can keep telling yourself that Sagarin is infallible and that SOS somehow determines the overall strength of a team.

The fact that Okie State has a lead has little of nothing to do with it. The game was a fluke seeing results of the Cowpokes anytime the remainder of that regular season. That other athletes and personnel from the school tragically lost their lives prior to the isu game no doubt had an impact.

But, let's go with Okie State had starters to play with isu... but, when they had to go to the bench...

So you think beating a 7-6 Iowa team in 2011 was a better performance for ISU than beating a 12-1 Oklahoma State team that won the Fiesta Bowl?

 

[5Fan5]

So you think beating a 7-6 Iowa team in 2011 was a better performance for ISU than beating a 12-1 Oklahoma State team that won the Fiesta Bowl?

Maybe you can point to anywhere that I said/posted that because I will be glad to admit so if true.

Obviously someone here thinks beating a 5-7 Tech team with a fluke (one-week) ranking was worth mentioning.

 

[Tclone99]

That's strange. I guess I was unaware that six wins versus six losses over a twelve year span comprised a 'winning record'.

Again... the subject at hand is Kirk Ferentz' record against Iowa State. Dan has a winning record v. Ferentz but is 6-6 against the Hawkeyes.

 

[CyCity]

Perfect example....

That Tech team was ranked all of a single week during that season and finished the season 5-7. Oklahoma State was a patented OT three-point win at home following some very disturbing events for the Cowboy athletic department.

Could not have picked two games to fail to prove your point if I had tried.

You said I failed to prove my point that Iowa wasn't the best win for ISU in 2011. Oklahoma State was the best win for ISU in 2011 and I don't know how you can debate it

 

[eyeohuh]

This entire thread consists of the same people posting. A few Iowa fans vs a few ISU fans. I dont think that makes Iowa's fanbase obsessed with ISU based on a few posters. And "HerkyFan" has at least 50 posts alone of the 500

 

[5Fan5]

Again... the subject at hand is Kirk Ferentz' record against Iowa State. Dan has a winning record v. Ferentz but is 6-6 against the Hawkeyes.

You are correct.

 

[turnbullpe]

it's very easy, hawks are not better than ISU at the starting level, when depth comes into play hawks win.

Lol. NFL and awards committes sure don't agree with this.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

It does get old being ISU, Neb, Minn, & NW's Superbowl. Can't any of these teams find another team to base their whole season on?!?!

 

[5Fan5]

You said I failed to prove my point that Iowa wasn't the best win for ISU in 2011. Oklahoma State was the best win for ISU in 2011 and I don't know how you can debate it

Let me go slower for you. The Oklahoma State game defines 'fluke' as in something likely to happen not even occasionally. Under almost any other set of circumstances it does not occur.

Hey, it is not hard to understand why you are flailing away here. I mean the one-point squeaker against UNI, the decisive four-point win over powerful UConn, conference wins against a not very good Tech team and KU... what's to brag about with that lineup to your credit? You rally around that win against the Cowboys because that is all you have got. The rest of the free world not blinded by isu propaganda sees that game for what it was. It was a fluke of major proportion.

 

[CyCity]

Let me go slower for you. The Oklahoma State game defines 'fluke' as in something likely to happen not even occasionally. Under almost any other set of circumstances it does not occur.

Hey, it is not hard to understand why you are flailing away here. I mean the one-point squeaker against UNI, the decisive four-point win over powerful UConn, conference wins against a not very good Tech team and KU... what's to brag about with that lineup to your credit? You rally around that win against the Cowboys because that is all you have got. The rest of the free world not blinded by isu propaganda sees that game for what it was. It was a fluke of major proportion.

Fluke or not it was still the best ISU played all season long. It was probably the best ISU has ever played in my lifetime.

 

[5Fan5]

Fluke or not it was still the best ISU played all season long. It was probably the best ISU has ever played in my lifetime.

That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it but do not pass it off as something factual. If it were indeed fact, there would not be others doubting it. The fact is that isu in 2011 was a fairly typical isu team in terms of quality and performance (it could be argued that 2011 was a better than average year for isu.) However, when one takes a closer look at the teams isu beat, one in particular does not belong in the subset. Splitting hairs admittedly, but you want to call it the best 'win' for isu, Cowpoke fans more than likely would call it their worst loss in a long time and yet others see it as nothing more than a freak occurrence (aka: a fluke.)

Doesn't make anyone, including you, right.

Besides, Sagarin will clearly show you that Okie State was better. All you have to do is look!

 

[CyCity]

That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it but do not pass it off as something factual. If it were indeed fact, there would not be others doubting it. The fact is that isu in 2011 was a fairly typical isu team in terms of quality and performance (it could be argued that 2011 was a better than average year for isu.) However, when one takes a closer look at the teams isu beat, one in particular does not belong in the subset. Splitting hairs admittedly, but you want to call it the best 'win' for isu, Cowpoke fans more than likely would call it their worst loss in a long time and yet others see it as nothing more than a freak occurrence (aka: a fluke.)

Doesn't make anyone, including you, right.

Besides, Sagarin will clearly show you that Okie State was better. All you have to do is look!

Who is doubting the fact that Oklahoma State was the best win of the 2011 season for Iowa State? It's not an opinion that was the best team ISU beat that season so if someone is doubting it they are wrong

 

[HerkyFan]

I have you on ignore but unfortunately got on here without logging in. I already answered your question. Dan McCarney has a winning record against Kirk Ferentz.

He does? May want to check that. Is there some phantom game that only you know about that Dan coached isu to a victory in?

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Actually, regarding 2002, looking back on it now, it makes sense to say Iowa was the biggest win for ISU. However, that wasn't the case at the time. Iowa was unranked, and ISU played a horrible first half.

That ISU team was eerily similar to the 1981 team. Both started strong, including some major victories, and moved into the top ten by mid-season; then the wheels came off. The schedule had a lot to do with that: In '02, ISU played 7 Top 20 teams, 6 of them on the road -- and that doesn't include Iowa, which went on to be a Top 5 team, or Texas Tech, which was ranked off-and-on during the year, but not the week they played ISU. But depth was, and remains, a crucial factor. I think it's one of the key differences between the Iowa and ISU programs. In many years, probably most years, the talent of the starters isn't all that much different. But when guys start to go down, ISU doesn't have comparable backups and Iowa does.

Yes, I remember all of that very well. I was actually down at the ISU/FSU game at Arrowhead that year. I was very impressed with Iowa State and had a blast. It wasn't a surprise that Iowa State struggled when they got to the gauntlet of their schedule; it was how they got beat that was a surprise. Of course, the joke at that time was Iowa State and Aaron Greving both quit playing football in October. I will leave the UCONN and Smurf Bowl alone. Lol.

Funny, I remember that was popular sentiment back in the 1990s when people compared Iowa to Michigan and Ohio State--depth.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

He does? May want to check that. Is there some phantom game that only you know about that Dan coached isu to a victory in?

I also believe that Dan lost this year as coach of NT to KF

 

[hawkssox1]

He does? May want to check that. Is there some phantom game that only you know about that Dan coached isu to a victory in?

Dan was 5-3 vs Kirk..

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Actually, regarding 2002, looking back on it now, it makes sense to say Iowa was the biggest win for ISU. However, that wasn't the case at the time. Iowa was unranked, and ISU played a horrible first half.

That ISU team was eerily similar to the 1981 team. Both started strong, including some major victories, and moved into the top ten by mid-season; then the wheels came off. The schedule had a lot to do with that: In '02, ISU played 7 Top 20 teams, 6 of them on the road -- and that doesn't include Iowa, which went on to be a Top 5 team, or Texas Tech, which was ranked off-and-on during the year, but not the week they played ISU. But depth was, and remains, a crucial factor. I think it's one of the key differences between the Iowa and ISU programs. In many years, probably most years, the talent of the starters isn't all that much different. But when guys start to go down, ISU doesn't have comparable backups and Iowa does.

I was there and Iowa was by far the better team, back to back Banks possessions literally putting the ball down on the ground for an ISU recovery on the 20 yard line of Iowa was the difference. Period.

 

[HerkyFan]

Dan was 5-3 vs Kirk..

Yet the argument from isu grads is that KF isn't so awesome because he doesn't have a winning record against the clowns.

What all isu grads ignore is that there are exactly ZERO isu coaches the last 30 years plus with a winning recruiting against big bro Iowa.

The same number of conference championships they have in football since their awesome record of 2-1-1 in 1912.

Why would anyone laugh at that?