Looks Like Ahmed Mohamed Fooled Lots of People

[fredjr82]

Are you replying to my post?

Does it look like I replied to your post? I replied to a question from theIowaHawk. I know you were a little bit slow, but thought for sure you understood the quote function. If in the future I do reply to one of your posts, and little notification will come up saying "fredjr82 has quoted one of your posts in <thread title>. If you need additional assistance please refer to the FAQs under help or send an email to tkakert@aol.com.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Does it look like I replied to your post? I replied to a question from theIowaHawk. I know you were a little bit slow, but thought for sure you understood the quote function. If in the future I do reply to one of your posts, and little notification will come up saying "fredjr82 has quoted one of your posts in <thread title>. If you need additional assistance please refer to the FAQs under help or send an email to tkakert@aol.com.

Um, you didn't quote anything in your response... wasn't sure who you were replying to other than the general HR public.

Pardon me for being polite and asking.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

If the intent from the beginning was to elicit a response like the one he got, it calls his entire version of events into question. So...yeah...it's relevant.

Not to mention that it fit the narrative that the White House is projecting.

Where's the presidential visit for the grade school kid who bit his Pop Tart into the shape of a gun?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I've read a couple of reports of engineers who swear that this "invented clock" was not invented, but a 1970s Radio Shack clock that was taken out of its case and placed in a briefcase-like pencil box. Leading atheist scientist Richard Dawkins says it's an hoax and wants to know Ahmed's motives. Ahmed has reportedly said that his father encouraged him to take it to school. Comedian Bill Maher is more blunt, saying that the clock, "Looks like a _____ing bomb".

Regardless, it's starting to look like lots of people, including our intrepid President, were duped on this one.

Why am I not surprised?

Honestly, I didn't know what to think of this story, but for #$#'s sake, It looked like a bomb, and the kids name was Mohamed. Regardless of whether he trolled us, or this was a hoax, or whatever. This was just a stupid move on his part, especially if the dad encouraged him to do it.

What happens when someone does this for real next time? Are people going to hesitate to say something?

 

[Huey Grey]

It does seem to make sense that this is a set up. I always did think that his father sounded a little too polished while speaking about this. But then again, the setup succeeded, which is a pretty poor reflection of our belief that Muslims are all terrorists.

 

[73chief]

Clarify for me:

Was this a clock? (you apparently are saying it was REALLY, REALLY, a clock, not just one made by a child)

Did his school/law enforcement treat him as a bombing suspect?

If those two things are true....why is this now different than it was before? Because he wanted to prove exactly what he did?

Is this like saying we should thumb our noses at Rosa Parks?

The difference is that there is strong evidence that this entire episode was a hoax to elicit a response and the parents were also in on it. They have now received money donated to a scholarship fund for the kid and a legal fund for them to use to sue the school district. That money has been given to them and they have accepted under false pretense which is grounds for criminal fraud.

So there has been a massive shift in the dynamic of this story in the last 24 hours and this kid and his parents might have some significant legal issues to deal with.

 

[fredjr82]

Regardless, it's starting to look like lots of people, including our intrepid President, were duped on this one.

This isn't a political thread, just one noting how easily people are fooled.

Are you dumb or just a hypocrite? I didn't really think you'd come back and defend what you said.

 

[naturalmwa]

Well, how 'bout that!

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

It does seem to make sense that this is a set up. I always did think that his father sounded a little too polished while speaking about this. But then again, the setup succeeded, which is a pretty poor reflection of our belief that Muslims are all terrorists.

well he did show up at school with something that resembled a briefcase bomb.
Even if he was white and his name was David......he would have been arrested and actually treated worse by the media, and the White House.
the kid and his family would have been systematically destroyed by the public hate machine known as shaming.

 

[hawkifann]

As a parent - you don't send you kid to school with what looks like a f'ing bomb in today's world (profiling be damned).

As someone with a middle schooler, I don't inspect his backpack every day. I sometimes get into his bag to load his lunch and I may do a random inspection here or there if I think there's a reason, but if he decides to take something stupid to school one day, it's not going to be because I "sent him to school with it". If my kid is generally not in trouble much, I'm guessing he'll have even more freedom by HS.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Um, you didn't quote anything in your response... wasn't sure who you were replying to other than the general HR public.

Pardon me for being polite and asking.

Ha! Now I know Vroom has me on ignore! I feel important.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Even if he was white and his name was David......he would have been arrested and actually treated worse.

I don't believe this for a second. He probably would have won a goddamned science prize.

 

[theIowaHawk]

The difference is that there is strong evidence that this entire episode was a hoax to elicit a response and the parents were also in on it. They have now received money donated to a scholarship fund for the kid and a legal fund for them to use to sue the school district. That money has been given to them and they have accepted under false pretense which is grounds for criminal fraud.

So there has been a massive shift in the dynamic of this story in the last 24 hours and this kid and his parents might have some significant legal issues to deal with.

How, pray tell, is any of this "criminal fraud"?

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

I don't believe this for a second. He probably would have won a goddamned science prize.

Ummm.... no.

 

[fredjr82]

Um, you didn't quote anything in your response... wasn't sure who you were replying to other than the general HR public.

Pardon me for being polite and asking.

Ha! Now I know Vroom has me on ignore! I feel important.

LOL!! Only pussies put people on ignore. He's comes across as such a hard ass so I'm not really surprised the internet tough guy puts people on ignore he can't compete with.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I remember back at the UofI when a kid I knew wore his hood up in class, and slouched, all the time. On a cold day he wore a ski-mask type thing with his hood up.

Girl freaked, called security, he was "arrested" (or whatever) and held for a fairly lengthy period of time.

Was that right? Of course not? Did she prevent the new Virginia Tech? Hindsight certainly says no.

Excuse me...he wore his hood and a ski mask in class? Or some girl saw him walking around outside wearing a ski mask and a hood up? Your story is missing a few elements.

Your post implies that if he did it to cause a reaction, we should no longer care about the above being "right" or not. That it is hindsight that is important, since we obviously don't know intent before hand.

I thought I made it perfectly clear that the reaction was likely over the top. Pretty sure I said so explicitly. But he could have certainly played a part in pushing that reaction. Do you know if he said anything to the English teacher who reported it? No. How do you know he didn't troll teachers all day until he got one to bite? You don't. Do you know how he responded to the questions posed by the police? The answer, of course, is no. As I have said, IF he did this as a hoax then his version of events is very suspect and the school can't give a public version due to privacy issues.

So let's say society agrees with you. How do you craft a 4th-Amendment-surviving plan to deal with people in this situation where you won't know intent until after? 4th applies only to the innocent?

Society does agree with me. If this kid brought something he legitimately built to school to share with pride, then heads need to roll. If he slapped this together and brought it to elicit a reaction and continued to push buttons to ramp up the response...not so much.

See...the 4th Amendment survived. You're welcome.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

So we allow this at our public schools but not our prayer or pledge of allegiance?

Obama - you may want to invite these folks too.

Kinda out of touch, aren't you. The pledge of allegiance isn't barred...never has been. Guess what? Neither is prayer.

Meet You At The Flag Pole observance. They're *gasp* PRAYING!!! At a PUBLIC SCHOOL!!

 

[aflachawk]

I don't believe this for a second. He probably would have won a goddamned science prize.

One of the truisms that law enforcement uses is..... If you see something, say something. I assume that's no longer true?

 

[73chief]

How, pray tell, is any of this "criminal fraud"?

There is now evidence that the parents and this kid intentionally created a deception resulting in a personal or financial gain. That's what criminal fraud is and that angle is now being investigated by local authorities. In this case they have received almost $25,000 from individuals donating money to his scholarship fund and a legal fund. this money would not otherwise have been given had the deception not taken place. It does not mean there will be charges, but it is being looked into. If I was the Ahmeds, I would at minimum be giving back 100% of the money.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Excuse me...he wore his hood and a ski mask in class? Or some girl saw him walking around outside wearing a ski mask and a hood up? Your story is missing a few elements.



I thought I made it perfectly clear that the reaction was likely over the top. Pretty sure I said so explicitly. But he could have certainly played a part in pushing that reaction. Do you know if he said anything to the English teacher who reported it? No. How do you know he didn't troll teachers all day until he got one to bite? You don't. Do you know how he responded to the questions posed by the police? The answer, of course, is no. As I have said, IF he did this as a hoax then his version of events is very suspect and the school can't give a public version due to privacy issues.



Society does agree with me. If this kid brought something he legitimately built to school to share with pride, then heads need to roll. If he slapped this together and brought it to elicit a reaction and continued to push buttons to ramp up the response...not so much.

See...the 4th Amendment survived. You're welcome.

It was in class. Class of probably 70 or so. Presentations on the big screen.

Ski mask wasn't on balaclava style with holes for eyes, was around the neck pulled up covering mouth. I have no idea why, but he always had his hood up, it wasn't abnormal, for him.

 

[theIowaHawk]

There is now evidence that the parents and this kid intentionally created a deception resulting in a personal or financial gain. That's what criminal fraud is and that angle is now being investigated by local authorities. In this case they have received almost $25,000 from individuals donating money to his scholarship fund and a legal fund. this money would not otherwise have been given had the deception not taken place. It does not mean there will be charges, but it is being looked into. If I was the Ahmeds, I would at minimum be giving back 100% of the money.

That is not fraud. What aspect are you claiming were fraudent? That their son did it as a school project, and not at their command?

Just because you throw out words like intentional and deception doesn't strengthen your earlier claim.

Good to see you take your cues from good ol Napolitano.

 

[gusto79]

That is not fraud. What aspect are you claiming were fraudent? That their son did it as a school project, and not at their command?

Just because you throw out words like intentional and deception doesn't strengthen your earlier claim.

This is kind of 73chief's thing. He just pretends to know what he's talking about and hope people don't call him out on it.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I wanted to separate your two thoughts:

Really? You really, deep down believe that he wasn't treated differently on that basis? That it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it?

Just as you can't excuse an officer's unwarranted shooting of an unarmed, non-dangerous, non-threatening person by later finding out that person was a criminal..........you can't excuse the school/law enforcement response because of the kids actual intent (in bringing an actual clock to school).

That looked suspiciously like a bomb to the untrained eye. Lets not leave that part out. I like how both sides of this argument conveniently leave out parts of the story to strengthen their argument. BAU.

 

[KitingHigh]

That looked suspiciously like a bomb to the untrained eye. Lets not leave that part out. I like how both sides of this argument conveniently leave out parts of the story to strengthen their argument. BAU.

Not really. You can clearly and easily see that there is no explosive in it. Sure, he may have intended to cause a scene, but that in no way whatsoever excuses what happened.

 

[txhawk I]

 

[Huey Grey]

well he did show up at school with something that resembled a briefcase bomb.
Even if he was white and his name was David......he would have been arrested and actually treated worse by the media, and the White House.
the kid and his family would have been systematically destroyed by the public hate machine known as shaming.

If this kid was white I highly doubt he would have been arrested.

 

[Huey Grey]

Not really. You can clearly and easily see that there is no explosive in it. Sure, he may have intended to cause a scene, but that in no way whatsoever excuses what happened.

Agreed. And if there were explosives, it would be in such small amounts that it would be little more than a firecracker. My question is how the kid got arrested? I could see calling the police, even if it's an over-reaction, but once a bomb expert looked at it, he should have been able to tell pretty immediately that it was a bomb and let everyone continue on with their day. Further, why did the kid get suspended for something that wasn't a bomb?

 

[Vroom_C14]

Kinda out of touch, aren't you. The pledge of allegiance isn't barred...never has been. Guess what? Neither is prayer.

Meet You At The Flag Pole observance. They're *gasp* PRAYING!!! At a PUBLIC SCHOOL!!

Not so out of touch I guess...


There will be no more post-game praying for this Michigan high school football team.

After receiving a letter of complaint from the American Civil Liberties Union, Lahser High School has banned football players from engaging in prayer on the field. The team had previously made a ritual of kneeling in prayer after big games, according to local outlet WDIV-TV.

A Colorado high school banned a group of students from praying, singing Christian songs, and discussing religious topics in their free time.

Citing “separation of church and state,” officials at Pine Creek High School told Chase Windebank, a senior, that he and his classmates no longer were allowed to use an unoccupied choir room for religious purposes.

 

[Vroom_C14]

LOL!! Only pussies put people on ignore. He's comes across as such a hard ass so I'm not really surprised the internet tough guy puts people on ignore he can't compete with.

Interesting, there are 2 people on my ignore list that I did not put there (at least don't recall putting anyone on ignore). Huey would be one I could see doing that to, but I don't - so i removed the 2 that were on the list.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Not so out of touch I guess...


There will be no more post-game praying for this Michigan high school football team.

After receiving a letter of complaint from the American Civil Liberties Union, Lahser High School has banned football players from engaging in prayer on the field. The team had previously made a ritual of kneeling in prayer after big games, according to local outlet WDIV-TV.

As long as they are representing the school, they can't engage in religious activities.. It's the correct call.

A Colorado high school banned a group of students from praying, singing Christian songs, and discussing religious topics in their free time.

Citing “separation of church and state,” officials at Pine Creek High School told Chase Windebank, a senior, that he and his classmates no longer were allowed to use an unoccupied choir room for religious purposes.

They were NOT banned from praying, singing, or discussing religious topics - the idea is ridiculous on it's face. How would school officials even monitor such activity?

They can do that all they want on their time. What they can't do is preferentially be allowed to use school space for such activities - even if it's empty. The school then has to make space available for any group that requests it. Those students can sit at a table in the lunch room and pray and discuss and sing (quietly) all they want.

So...yeah...you're still out of touch.

 

[Hawk in SEC Country]

If this kid was white I highly doubt he would have been arrested.

Really? Link to that information? Because there are plenty of circumstances of kids....and not just white kids....who were kicked out of schools for drawing a gun, using their fingers as guns, biting food not the shape of a gun, carrying toy guns into schools. Holy hell, we expel kids for bringing tylenol to school for a headache. But they don't get a visit to the White House because they don't fit the Administration's narrative.

Where are the white house visits for murdered police officer's families? What about the young lady that was shot and killed on the pier in San Fran?

But this kid is somehow different? Keep clinging to the narrative while the facts start coming out. Just like people did with Michael Brown and the "hands up don't shoot" bullshit.

This was a set up.......the father is an activist. This kid didn't "create" or "build" anything. There was NO assignment from the school to make anything..........their story doesn't add up.
The school f**ked up by not evacuating the school due to a suspect device. Why was it suspect? Because the school administrators are not bomb making experts,and had no idea what they were looking at, other than something that resembled a bomb. They should have evacuated the entire school to a 300ft radius from the device. There ARE laws about hoax bombs where prosecution can be carried out.
The teacher and the school initially did the right thing.


The rest is political theatre so people can point fingers and call people racists.

 

[KitingHigh]

Really? Link to that information? Because there are plenty of circumstances of kids....and not just white kids....who were kicked out of schools for drawing a gun, using their fingers as guns, biting food not the shape of a gun, carrying toy guns into schools. Holy hell, we expel kids for bringing tylenol to school for a headache. But they don't get a visit to the White House because they don't fit the Administration's narrative.

Where are the white house visits for murdered police officer's families? What about the young lady that was shot and killed on the pier in San Fran?

But this kid is somehow different? Keep clinging to the narrative while the facts start coming out. Just like people did with Michael Brown and the "hands up don't shoot" bullshit.

This was a set up.......the father is an activist. This kid didn't "create" or "build" anything. There was NO assignment from the school to make anything..........their story doesn't add up.
The school f**ked up by not evacuating the school due to a suspect device. Why was it suspect? Because the school administrators are not bomb making experts,and had no idea what they were looking at, other than something that resembled a bomb. They should have evacuated the entire school to a 300ft radius from the device. There ARE laws about hoax bombs where prosecution can be carried out.
The teacher and the school initially did the right thing.


The rest is political theatre so people can point fingers and call people racists.

And we've found the Velcro shoe wearer of the board.

 

[theIowaHawk]

That looked suspiciously like a bomb to the untrained eye. Lets not leave that part out. I like how both sides of this argument conveniently leave out parts of the story to strengthen their argument. BAU.

Care to tell us what bomb-inspecting you've done in your life?

I've never seen one. Oh, is this MacGuyver?

 

[SpartanHawk]

well he did show up at school with something that resembled a briefcase bomb.
Even if he was white and his name was David......he would have been arrested and actually treated worse by the media, and the White House.
the kid and his family would have been systematically destroyed by the public hate machine known as shaming.

Well another 14 year old white kid built a nuclear reactor in his garage for a science fair, and got Homeland Security interested in helping him, not authorities arresting him and locking him away for just messing around with a clock. Had this kid with a nuclear reactor been a Muslim, my bet is that they would have shot him and asked questions later.

White kid builds nuclear reactor and Homeland Security offers help

 

[theIowaHawk]

Not so out of touch I guess...


There will be no more post-game praying for this Michigan high school football team.

After receiving a letter of complaint from the American Civil Liberties Union, Lahser High School has banned football players from engaging in prayer on the field. The team had previously made a ritual of kneeling in prayer after big games, according to local outlet WDIV-TV.

A Colorado high school banned a group of students from praying, singing Christian songs, and discussing religious topics in their free time.

Citing “separation of church and state,” officials at Pine Creek High School told Chase Windebank, a senior, that he and his classmates no longer were allowed to use an unoccupied choir room for religious purposes.

How can people STILL not see the difference between these things. Jesus H. we've had enough examples over the years and it isn't complicated.

A public school, and its employee, can not lead their students specific religious prayer during school functions. LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME, ON THE SCHOOL'S FIELD.

Also, if a school allows specific religions use of specific rooms, set aside for that purpose at that time, then they have to allow equal access. Something schools are not willing to do. You should be PLEASED that schools don't allow this.

 

[theIowaHawk]

This is kind of 73chief's thing. He just pretends to know what he's talking about and hope people don't call him out on it.

In his defense, it does appear that ol' Judge Napolitano brought it up on one of his shows.

 

[Vroom_C14]

How can people STILL not see the difference between these things. Jesus H. we've had enough examples over the years and it isn't complicated.

A public school, and its employee, can not lead their students specific religious prayer during school functions. LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME, ON THE SCHOOL'S FIELD.

Also, if a school allows specific religions use of specific rooms, set aside for that purpose at that time, then they have to allow equal access. Something schools are not willing to do. You should be PLEASED that schools don't allow this.

Interesting - we prayed before every game (on the field) at my public school.

If they don't allow certain rooms or a field for prayer, then how are those praying on school grounds allowed (in the pictures above)?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Interesting - we prayed before every game (on the field) at my public school.

If they don't allow certain rooms or a field for prayer, then how are those praying on school grounds allowed (in the pictures above)?

Interesting - an anecdote to prove a point, how very HROT. Certainly, because your school was allowing something epitomizes rule of law and Constitutionality. Hell, most schools still do pray before games. Do you think that wins your point?

Secondly, who advocated stopping someone from praying outside? You were citing to a refusal to allow a specific "choir room" for specific religious purposes. Inherently, and should be obviously, different from a spontaneous (or even non) gathering of people out on public space.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Hate to go back to the old "gotcha", but CHRISTIANS should be supporting this type of stuff. Other religions are growing exponentially, and the various sects are growing bolder as well. How many of you, how many PTO members will be ok with "Time for Islam" in Choir Room 103, "Buddhists for Buddha" in Band room 206, and "We hate Fags but we love Kansas" in the gym? You wouldn't want that. Remember that is what you are setting up with your, "we have the right to be religious!" schtick.

Kentucky Kim fails to see this same logic.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Interesting - an anecdote to prove a point, how very HROT. Certainly, because your school was allowing something epitomizes rule of law and Constitutionality. Hell, most schools still do pray before games. Do you think that wins your point?

Secondly, who advocated stopping someone from praying outside? You were citing to a refusal to allow a specific "choir room" for specific religious purposes. Inherently, and should be obviously, different from a spontaneous (or even non) gathering of people out on public space.

Not just my school did this, others as well - I used mine as an example (god forbid an example be used).

Canvasing my colleagues the POA is no longer allowed to be said in their public schools either. When did America start hating itself?

Outside on school grounds is still school grounds (whether it be the football field, softball field, soccer field or the commons area).