Love to hate Flo? Clark 7th, Brock Wins. Love OSU much?

[Czech Hawk]

If Iowa finishes in the top 10 at NCAA's we may exceed their expectations. So the most recent write up by Spey was a pretty good one, to laugh at. Click bait, maybe.. So Brock winning it? I get it, you can't pick everything to go by the seeds, but I don't see that one playing out, not even close. Using the reasoning for Brock over NATO in the finals because he is more battle tested, does not make much sense. Clark 7th, ouch. Bet this guy doesn't have one of our guys wrestling over their seed. "Clark ends his incredible Hawkeyes career on a positive note, taking seventh, while the young Panther finishes eighth and begins preparations for next season." What ??? Positive note.... Get real. Yes, I see he says he wins the last match, but really?

The one thing I would expect more discussion on from outlets like flo are close controversial matches. Clark v. Brock, Clark v. NATO. The wide acceptance that because a guy won a close controversial match, he owns that. A different ref and there could have been a different outcome, actually in those cases almost any other ref and the outcome would have been different in some aspects. Even the matches that favored us such as Kemerer v. Berger at Midlands. I think we caught a break there. Flo live sure made a reference to this board just the other day. The one about us believing that they are not objective because they steam the OSU duels. Do I think it is true? They sure stopped themselves from being critical of the reffing after our duel with OSU and didn't want to even discuss that aspect. Sure they do not pick OSU on all things, but they are also careful to be too critical.

I really think they hate our fan base more then our wrestlers. I guess it could be worse, they could hire Foley and add him to the show.

 

[crablegs1]

 

[JohnBasedow]

Step 1: prove them wrong
Step 2: keep doing step 1

 

[pablow]

"Clark ends his incredible Hawkeyes career on a positive note, taking seventh . . .

Hey, coming from a member of the participation-ribbon generation, 7th place is big-time.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

Is crablegs a Penn State fan?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Picking Clark 7th???????

 

[Czech Hawk]

Is crablegs a Penn State fan?

No, he is an unhappy toddler!

 

[Fan In Black]

On a positive note. Huh?

 

[crablegs1]

I'm a huge Clark fan and hope he wins it all.

I just don't think it's unreasonable to pick him 7th. He looked good at B1Gs, but only wrestled one guy ranked in the top 8 and he lost to him. He's lost to the 7 seed already this year. It's not where I'd pick him to end up, but it's not some wildly outlandish prediction that is some example of bias/Iowa hate. It is one person picking a guy with (from all accounts on this forum) a destroyed shoulder to get 7th from the 4 seed. Nothing insane about that.

 

[crablegs1]

"Clark ends his incredible Hawkeyes career on a positive note, taking seventh . . .

Hey, coming from a member of the participation-ribbon generation, 7th place is big-time.

I would kill for a 7th. Nothing participation ribbon about that. Taking 7th at NCAAs takes an insane amount of dedication and hard work. Especially if you are doing it with one arm. It'd be a much more positive note than not placing a la Matt McD.

 

[Feet To Back]

This is complete and utter bullshit! I'm so sick of the Iowa hate. I understand that we are a wildly biased fan base who whines way too much. But this is about the kids. Clark is one of the nicest kids from a great family, He has earned more respect.

Btw, If I see one more clip of Moisey sticking G-Train 2 years ago somebody is getting it.

 

[LutherAce]

This is complete and utter bullshit! I'm so sick of the Iowa hate. I understand that we are a wildly biased fan base who whines way too much. But this is about the kids. Clark is one of the nicest kids from a great family, He has earned more respect.

Btw, If I see one more clip of Moisey sticking G-Train 2 years ago somebody is getting it.

 

[JohnBasedow]

 

[championhawk]

How many AA's will your cyclones have this year?

 

[championhawk]

Is crablegs a Penn State fan?

Cyclone fan that has posts more on here when his team struggles.

 

[Big Fall]

Who gives a shit?! Seriously, why would you allow someone's prognostication to affect your emotional state? It will all get sorted out. Calm down.

 

[pablow]

Picking Clark 7th???????

I don't mind the pick at 7th, the "positive note" comment was pure Iowa pimping.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

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We were sitting with a bunch of guys from Old Dominion when this happened. I felt sick. Thanks, I just had that feeling again.

 

[Big Fall]

This is complete and utter bullshit! I'm so sick of the Iowa hate. I understand that we are a wildly biased fan base who whines way too much. But this is about the kids. Clark is one of the nicest kids from a great family, He has earned more respect.

Btw, If I see one more clip of Moisey sticking G-Train 2 years ago somebody is getting it.

Is being a nice kid from a great family one of the seeding criteria?

Come on man, how does that have anything to do with where someone PREDICTS him placing??? He's injured with a brutal path - to the finals or to an AA finish. I love Cory Clark and have from day one. He's one of my all time favorite Hawkeyes, but I like to think I can be objective enough to realize this tournament will have a razor thin margin for him. Think M* in 09. He could win or he could not AA and neither would surprise me. Picking him to finish 7th should hardly be viewed as disrespectful.

 

[el dub]

Say what you want, but Clark IS basically wrestling with one arm at this point. I'm not taking any success at nationals on his part for granted.

The kid from Michigan is prolly salivating at another shot at Clark.

 

[Stanley75]

Clark has multiple injuries. He is a great wrestler and is probably a point or two better than everyone else. With 2 injuries and serious injuries to boot, he is not a point or two better than everyone else. His losses this year prove that. I hope he can AA anything above that will be sheer will on his part.

 

[crablegs1]

Say what you want, but Clark IS basically wrestling with one arm at this point. I'm not taking any success at nationals on his part for granted.

The kid from Michigan is prolly salivating at another shot at Clark.

Geez, you and Big Fall must be pure Iowa haters only out for click bait.

 

[Czech Hawk]

I'm a huge Clark fan and hope he wins it all.

I just don't think it's unreasonable to pick him 7th. He looked good at B1Gs, but only wrestled one guy ranked in the top 8 and he lost to him. He's lost to the 7 seed already this year. It's not where I'd pick him to end up, but it's not some wildly outlandish prediction that is some example of bias/Iowa hate. It is one person picking a guy with (from all accounts on this forum) a destroyed shoulder to get 7th from the 4 seed. Nothing insane about that.

If the shoulder goes all the way, then even worse could happen. The shoulder as is, he is the biggest threat to NATO. There are other things in the write up that I think are a bit too much, the Clark pick isn't the only part. Yes, Micic has wrestled everyone tough including Clark and I expect a barn burner. Saying Clark leaves on a positive note... Yes he is referring to the final match, but it would be a horrible tournament for him. So, saying that is a backhand complement from my perspective.

"but only wrestled one guy ranked in the top 8 and he lost to him"
Say what it is. His only challenging match was NATO at Big 10's. It wasn't a top 8 guy, it was the top guy, that is undefeated on the year. A couple suspect call no calls, and it goes the other way or into OT. Clark leaves with chip on shoulder, NATO celebrates. Name another finals match that was closer?

Spey is entitled to opinion, as am I. I don't buy his reasoning or care for his picks. Could they happen, anything can happen. That is why we will be watching.

 

[el dub]

Picking Clark 7th???????

I bet you IS laughing chic-chic-chickenman.

 

[EWCEWC60]

That is like saying T kid from Ohio State will probably get 6th place because he almost lost to Clark.

Even though T was spotted 1 and maybe 2 free points...

 

[el dub]

Geez, you and Big Fall must be pure Iowa haters only out for click bait.

Why do you say that? I think CC has adapted well to his limited physical abilities this last couple of months.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see anything from a DNP to winning it all. Miccic? (sp) has been coming on strong as of late. I'm pretty sure they meet up early? On the other hand, Cory beat him after sitting out for a long spell and is prolly in better overall shape right now.

 

[crablegs1]

Why do you say that? I think CC has adapted well to his limited physical abilities this last couple of months.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see anything from a DNP to winning it all. Miccic? (sp) has been coming on strong as of late. I'm pretty sure they meet up early? On the other hand, Cory beat him after sitting out for a long spell and is prolly in better overall shape right now.

I'm just joking. That is what people on this thread are saying to me because I don't think it's super crazy for someone to pick Clark 7th. It is a reasonable pick given his results this year and his injury. I'm with you 100% with what you think about Clark. Just let's not pretend that the only reason someone could ever pick him 7th is because they are an Iowa hater.

 

[pablow]

Cory is certainly looking better than McD did his senior year. Also, Quentin Wright had a shoulder injury and everyone was beating the piss out of him for a month or two. With just a little luck, I think Cory could do it.

 

[Feet To Back]

Is being a nice kid from a great family one of the seeding criteria?

Come on man, how does that have anything to do with where someone PREDICTS him placing??? He's injured with a brutal path - to the finals or to an AA finish. I love Cory Clark and have from day one. He's one of my all time favorite Hawkeyes, but I like to think I can be objective enough to realize this tournament will have a razor thin margin for him. Think M* in 09. He could win or he could not AA and neither would surprise me. Picking him to finish 7th should hardly be viewed as disrespectful.

Well if being a first class prick was a criteria you would get the #1 seed.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I bet you IS laughing chic-chic-chickenman.

I am - that's lunacy. Clark is my boy.

It's a great GIF too

 

[Big Fall]

Is being a nice kid from a great family one of the seeding criteria?

Come on man, how does that have anything to do with where someone PREDICTS him placing??? He's injured with a brutal path - to the finals or to an AA finish. I love Cory Clark and have from day one. He's one of my all time favorite Hawkeyes, but I like to think I can be objective enough to realize this tournament will have a razor thin margin for him. Think M* in 09. He could win or he could not AA and neither would surprise me. Picking him to finish 7th should hardly be viewed as disrespectful.

Well if being a first class prick was a criteria you would get the #1 seed.

That's a shocking response from someone as level headed and objective as you seem to be.

 

[el dub]

That's a shocking response from someone as level headed and objective as you seem to be.

This is my head on this thread……

 

[Reslo]

It's a pretty deep weight class, but I would be surprised if Clark finished 7th. I think even with a bad shoulder he's top 4. I'll be rooting for him to win it (don't tell the guys over at BWI ). He seems like a really hard working kid. Hope to see him on top of the podium in St. Louis.

 

[el dub]

CC seems to be wrestling well considering his physical limitations. He doesn't appear to be over extending himself or looking for tree top singles. That said, without the injury, I don't think anyone would have been really competitive with him this year.

 

[Azchief32]

Is crablegs a Penn State fan?

Part ISU/Part Iowa

Is being a nice kid from a great family one of the seeding criteria?

Come on man, how does that have anything to do with where someone PREDICTS him placing??? He's injured with a brutal path - to the finals or to an AA finish. I love Cory Clark and have from day one. He's one of my all time favorite Hawkeyes, but I like to think I can be objective enough to realize this tournament will have a razor thin margin for him. Think M* in 09. He could win or he could not AA and neither would surprise me. Picking him to finish 7th should hardly be viewed as disrespectful.

I would agree if he hasn't been wrestling so tough. He barely lost to NATO...by a second. That match goes into OT, he wins. Also, Clark tends to turn it on at NCAAs...took fourth at B1gs his freshman year(?) and was 5th at NCAAs...took third his soph year and was 2nd. Lost to Guilbon and beat him at NCAAs. Finally, Clark tends to wrestle guys tougher the second time. Decent chance he goes all the way through to the finals. Not going to be easy and I think he has one of the toughest draws in the tourney but he can do it.

 

[Feet To Back]

can anyone give me some information on Big Fall? I'll take an address. Just want to send a Christmas card.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

can anyone give me some information on Big Fall? I'll take an address. Just want to send a Christmas card.

He's older and more nature than you........ obviously.

And I doubt he would care for a Christmas card from you.

In fact, not sure many here would want one from you with your lack of tact so far. But feel free to get all pissy anyway.

 

[ohio2375]

Sometimes it amazes me that people who write about or follow wrestling a lot closer then I do fail to see what makes Clark so impressive. Did anyone on this board think the match was over when Nato scored the takedown with 50sec left? I doubt it if you watched Clark throughout his career, the only one who seemed surprised by it was nato himself who left his leg right there for Clark. Clark has an inner drive that is incredible to watch, it seems as the match goes on he keeps coming and coming and building the pressure no matter what the score is. This is a very rare talent and I don't see it in a lot of d1 wrestlers. This is what leads me to believe he will break a lot of the top kids mentally in a tough tourney like this. Only because of his injury do I feel he is at worst a top 4 finisher, it's clear to me that it's a razor thin margin at 133 and I like many of you do not want the outcomes decided by officiating.

 

[Feet To Back]

He's older and more nature than you........ obviously.

And I doubt he would care for a Christmas card from you.

In fact, not sure many here would want one from you with your lack of tact so far. But feel free to get all pissy anyway.

Sorry you feel that way.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Thing of beauty. Gilman may have the best lefty Hi-C sweep single in the country.

Clark is probably the best in the country at using a russian tie to his offense. Clark is also the best in the country at getting arm bars and getting a PD call.