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Managing 9.9 scholarships

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I have been thinking about this lately with the constant question of how teams have money to sign recruits.

In a very basic way of looking at scholarship breakdown you have to essentially spread 9.9 over 5 different classes. For simplicity it is essentially 2 full scholarships per recruiting class. Obviously not all classes are equal and some will be less and some more. Some will be shifted based on an athlete not redshirt one, etc.

Using a roster of 40 guys, I would assume 15 are walk ons. Some may earn scholarship dollars as time goes on. 25 guys remain sharing the 9.9, only ten being starters and probably 5 in a position to start at some point. I would guess 15 guys are getting a bulk of the funding. The remaining 10 let's put them on 15% scholarship taking up 1.5 of the 9.9. That leaves 8.4 for the 15 top end kids. Probably two kids getting 75% or better, that is another 1.5. Twelve guys are left for the 6.9, assuming they are sitting around 50% that takes up 6 scholarships. Only .9 scholarship remains.

I would guess most coaches leave a little in their bank cause you never know what is going to happen. Having the flexibility to pursue a transfer or arranging funds for big upcoming recruits or redistributed to recruits who end up over performing. I doubt a full .9 is kept aside but depending on the scenario I would think some.

When I think of scholarship breakdown that is what my mind assumes occurs. I don't have the slightest if this is true or not nor do I pretend it to be fact. This doesn't take into account other funding they receive in terms of grants, grades, etc. Some families I assume are willing to pay more to have the school put money elsewhere. Also doesn't consider coaches kids who typically receive a free education from the university. Just thought it could be a fun discussion of how others perceive this difficult task. If anyone can speak from experience feel free.
 
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It sounds like a logical way to break things down. Each school is going to do things a bit differently in this regard. For example at schools that don't have the tradition of the Iowa/OK states, it is going to be much harder to get good guys to take discounts. Where I went to school, the coach would give out 3-4 full rides to try to get the top recruits. Another handful of guys might have been on 75%. After that was done, lets say they would have used 7 scholarships on 9 guys. Another 8 guys getting .25 each. The rest of the team were guys getting 10-15% and walk ons.

Let's imagine that Mejia were to go to UNC. Should he take a discount there? I don't think so. He should get a full ride at any but a handful of schools. At Iowa he would have had to take a big discount with Lee coming in. But UNC needs him more than he needs them.
 
It sounds like a logical way to break things down. Each school is going to do things a bit differently in this regard. For example at schools that don't have the tradition of the Iowa/OK states, it is going to be much harder to get good guys to take discounts. Where I went to school, the coach would give out 3-4 full rides to try to get the top recruits. Another handful of guys might have been on 75%. After that was done, lets say they would have used 7 scholarships on 9 guys. Another 8 guys getting .25 each. The rest of the team were guys getting 10-15% and walk ons.

Let's imagine that Mejia were to go to UNC. Should he take a discount there? I don't think so. He should get a full ride at any but a handful of schools. At Iowa he would have had to take a big discount with Lee coming in. But UNC needs him more than he needs them.
I doubt Meija gets a full ride to UNC. He has to see the merits of UNC enough to pay a little of it himself. 80% would be believable. Also, many college coaches will cut a kids scholarship money if he isn't performing up to expectations. So the money given on day one isn't always the money given on day 365 etc..
 
I believe they changed it so that u can't reduce scholarship based on performance.
I am not sure if that is true of not. I believe that the scholarship is a one year contract. (at least it was back in my younger days) That leads me to believe it can be renegotiated every year. Whether coaches find creative ways to reduce them, I do not know.
 
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I am not sure if that is true of not. I believe that the scholarship is a one year contract. (at least it was back in my younger days) That leads me to believe it can be renegotiated every year. Whether coaches find creative ways to reduce them, I do not know.

They changed the not being able to take it away due to injury I believe. When they reduced wrestling scholarships (and other like sports) they gave coaches the ability to move them around as they see fit...ergo, Daniel Dennis gets books as an unheralded freshman, gets 60% (an example) as a returning AA his senior year.
 
Based on what I've read, ps85 is correct, everything points to the rule change being mostly a football (or headcount sport) thing. The change, allowing multi-year scholarships was made in the summer of 2011. Below the next paragraph is an excerpt from the NCAA Website...and below the NCAA stuff is a link that contains some other info (albeit a football perspective), on the rule.

One other thing...re. wrestling scholarships...while the rule is 9.9 max, there's schools that are not fully funded, so the challenges of administering fewer than 9.9, and be competitive, are great.

From the NCAA;

Scholarships
Many athletics scholarships, like most merit-based scholarships, are granted for one academic year. However, Division I schools are allowed to provide multi-year scholarships. Allowing these schools to award scholarships for longer than a single year gives student-athletes greater assurance their education will continue even if they suffer an injury, their athletics performance does not live up to expectations or the coaching staff changes. If a school plans to reduce or not renew a student-athlete’s aid, the school must provide the student-athlete an opportunity to appeal. In most cases, coaches decide who receives a scholarship, what it will cover and whether it will be renewed.

Is a scholarship a binding contract between a student-athlete and a school?
No. The scholarship is an agreement between the school and the student-athlete with expectations on both sides, but the agreement is completely separate from transfer regulations. A student-athlete may choose to transfer at any time. With multi-year scholarships now available for Division I schools, those colleges and universities have the option to offer athletics financial aid for more than one year. Such an agreement requires the school to provide financial aid to the student-athlete in accordance with the terms and conditions of the agreement. However, the agreement does not bind the student-athlete to the institution any more than the current transfer rules – he or she may transfer during the term of the award.

If a student-athlete signs a National Letter of Intent, he or she cannot transfer during the initial year of competition without penalty.

Can a coach cancel a student-athlete’s scholarship?
Depending on various circumstances, a school can choose not to renew or cancel a student-athlete’s scholarship*. The school has the choice to reduce or cancel the scholarship at the end of the period of the award. The school could also cancel the scholarship during the period of the award under the following circumstances:

  • Student-athlete becomes ineligible
  • Student-athlete commits fraud
  • Misconduct
  • Quits the team for personal reasons
*Note that scholarships outside of the athletics department may be handled differently by the institution.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...ar-athletic-scholarships/stories/201305190222
 
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Oklahoma State has a slight advantage or at least used to. (Not sure if this also applies to Oklahoma). To encourage top-flight out-of-state students to attend the school, out-of-state students meeting certain academic standards automatically qualify for in-state tuition. Since it applies to all students and wasn't cooked up to benefit their Olympic sports, it is kosher. But, you don't need as big of a scholarship if you are paying the local rate.
 
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I assume recruits are looking at the total bottom line cost is vs what % of scholarship they are getting.

Are the 9.9 scholarships based on a dollar amount? If so, is it based on the in state amount, or the out of state amount?

i.e. 9.9 scholarships at $25k each = $247,500 that the staff gets to award?
 
I assume recruits are looking at the total bottom line cost is vs what % of scholarship they are getting.

Are the 9.9 scholarships based on a dollar amount? If so, is it based on the in state amount, or the out of state amount?

i.e. 9.9 scholarships at $25k each = $247,500 that the staff gets to award?

It is not based on a $$$ amount. Half an out-of-state ride costs a school more than half an in-state ride. Both are .5 scholarships, but cost different monies.
 
Young Guns, the 9.9 schollies is unrelated to dollars in that a wrestler is awarded 0.5 scholly. In dollars, that could mean $10K for in state and $16k for out of state. The athletic dept may give the coach $150k annually on scholarships, and so a blend of in state/out of state is required to stay within budget.
 
It is not based on a $$$ amount. Half an out-of-state ride costs a school more than half an in-state ride. Both are .5 scholarships, but cost different monies.
But the total is not based on a set dollar amount.

If your .5 scholarship for out of state is valued at $10,000, and your .5 in-state is $5,000, it is still just 1 scholarship total.

That's why you hear things like "fully funded" being thrown around. Some schools probably set a cap on total $$$$ spent, therefore limiting the actual recruiting. Others are prepared to fund 9.9 out of state scholarships.
 
Oklahoma State has a slight advantage or at least used to. (Not sure if this also applies to Oklahoma). To encourage top-flight out-of-state students to attend the school, out-of-state students meeting certain academic standards automatically qualify for in-state tuition. Since it applies to all students and wasn't cooked up to benefit their Olympic sports, it is kosher. But, you don't need as big of a scholarship if you are paying the local rate.

I think SD just did the same thing. It's called Bono's Law.
 
Multi-year scholarships happen when parents and student athletes are aware it's an option. Student athletes who believe they're worth a mulit-year and are looking at B1G schools should ALWAYS ask for a multi-year scholarship.

Reducing a scholarship, coaches have to go through a process and a student athlete can appeal the decision. This question should be a parent and student athlete top 3 question when a scholarship offer is presented. "Coach John Doe, do you reduce scholarship offers based on performance?"
 
But the total is not based on a set dollar amount.

If your .5 scholarship for out of state is valued at $10,000, and your .5 in-state is $5,000, it is still just 1 scholarship total.

That's why you hear things like "fully funded" being thrown around. Some schools probably set a cap on total $$$$ spent, therefore limiting the actual recruiting. Others are prepared to fund 9.9 out of state scholarships.
I agree with your post except the last part. I don't know if any team can support 9.9 out of state kids. That's 300k plus. You may indeed be correct. I just have my doubts.
 
I can only speak for one budget for sure, but...

That just leads to the importance of keeping the top in-state kids home, as we see discussed frequently. You may budget for it, but you darn sure want to try to develop the top instate kids early and keep them happy!
 
I can only speak for one budget for sure, but...

That just leads to the importance of keeping the top in-state kids home, as we see discussed frequently. You may budget for it, but you darn sure want to try to develop the top instate kids early and keep them happy!
Thanks, and I agree.
 
I doubt Meija gets a full ride to UNC. He has to see the merits of UNC enough to pay a little of it himself. 80% would be believable. Also, many college coaches will cut a kids scholarship money if he isn't performing up to expectations. So the money given on day one isn't always the money given on day 365 etc..
Schools give full rides to kids that aren't at the level of Mejia. UNC needs to land a big recruit like him. UNC is a school that hasn't had an NCAA champion since 1996 and a 2nd year head coach that has never coached a champion. He'd be taking a discount to get anything less than 100% at a place like UNC.
 
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Who is the brain surgeon that came up with 9.9? I mean why not just 10, as there are 10 weights?
Happened across all equivalency sports, not just wrestling. Headcount sports lost numbers too, but I'll list some of the equivalency sports.

Every sport listed lost 10% of their scholarships

Fencing - Was 5.0, reduced to 4.5
Golf - Was 5.0, reduced to 4.5
Men's Gymnastics - Was 7, reduced to 6.3
Soccer - Was 11.0, reduced to 9.9
Swimming and Diving - Was 11.0, reduced to 9.9
Tennis - Was 5.0, reduced to 4.5
Men's Volleyball - Was 5.0, reduced to 4.5
Wrestling - Was 11.0, reduced to 9.9

Can't remember the year, maybe 1992?
 
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I have been thinking about this lately with the constant question of how teams have money to sign recruits.

In a very basic way of looking at scholarship breakdown you have to essentially spread 9.9 over 5 different classes. For simplicity it is essentially 2 full scholarships per recruiting class. Obviously not all classes are equal and some will be less and some more. Some will be shifted based on an athlete not redshirt one, etc.

Using a roster of 40 guys, I would assume 15 are walk ons. Some may earn scholarship dollars as time goes on. 25 guys remain sharing the 9.9, only ten being starters and probably 5 in a position to start at some point. I would guess 15 guys are getting a bulk of the funding. The remaining 10 let's put them on 15% scholarship taking up 1.5 of the 9.9. That leaves 8.4 for the 15 top end kids. Probably two kids getting 75% or better, that is another 1.5. Twelve guys are left for the 6.9, assuming they are sitting around 50% that takes up 6 scholarships. Only .9 scholarship remains.

I would guess most coaches leave a little in their bank cause you never know what is going to happen. Having the flexibility to pursue a transfer or arranging funds for big upcoming recruits or redistributed to recruits who end up over performing. I doubt a full .9 is kept aside but depending on the scenario I would think some.

When I think of scholarship breakdown that is what my mind assumes occurs. I don't have the slightest if this is true or not nor do I pretend it to be fact. This doesn't take into account other funding they receive in terms of grants, grades, etc. Some families I assume are willing to pay more to have the school put money elsewhere. Also doesn't consider coaches kids who typically receive a free education from the university. Just thought it could be a fun discussion of how others perceive this difficult task. If anyone can speak from experience feel free.
Can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the things?
 
I agree with your post except the last part. I don't know if any team can support 9.9 out of state kids. That's 300k plus. You may indeed be correct. I just have my doubts.
I would bet Iowa, PSU , tOSU and OSU at least can get all the money they need. It doesn't cost the school anything. The scholly money in many places is privately donated. At PSU I remember reading a list of who gave (endowed) what weight classes' money, and there's only a few slots left, hurry in with your cash. The football team has used zero school money for years.
 
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Another benefits question: What about food and housing? I think the rule is if the student is on (even a partial) scholarship they can get food and housing fully funded. True?
 
Another benefits question: What about food and housing? I think the rule is if the student is on (even a partial) scholarship they can get food and housing fully funded. True?
I think if it costs $10,000 per semester to attend, including books, tuition, fees, and room and board (on campus) then someone receiving a 50% would get $5,000.

That is how is was back in the olden days, anyway.

And they never trusted us with that much money at once, so they paid it out monthly. Know a couple who quit, and were surprised when they did not get their monthly stipend.
 
What's the problem?
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Another benefits question: What about food and housing? I think the rule is if the student is on (even a partial) scholarship they can get food and housing fully funded. True?
Yeah, you can look at it that way, and the coaches sometimes do, but the NCAA formula boils it down to a fraction, regardless of how the coach or student-athlete (and their family) want to look at it. It's a fairly long section in the rulebook, but here's 2 paragraphs that apply...

(a) Once a student becomes a counter, the institution shall count all institutional aid (per Bylaw 15.02.4.2) received for room, board, tuition and fees, and books up to the value of a full grant-in-aid. Exempted government grants per Bylaw 15.2.5 and exempted institutional aid per Bylaw 15.02.4.4 specifically are excluded from this computation.


(b) A fraction shall be created, with the amount received by the student-athlete (up to the value of a full grant-in-aid) as the numerator and the full grant-in-aid value for that student-athlete as the denominator based on the actual cost or average cost of a full grant for all students at that institution. Financial aid unrelated to athletics ability (see Bylaw 15.1) received by the student-athlete in excess of a full grant-in-aid shall not be included in this computation.
 
I suspect most get some athletic aid, even if only book money. Everyone who does counts toward the team's APR score. Nobody wants to be the next Buffalo or Campbell, ineligible for nationals due to a low APR.
 
I suspect most get some athletic aid, even if only book money. Everyone who does counts toward the team's APR score. Nobody wants to be the next Buffalo or Campbell, ineligible for nationals due to a low APR.
Maybe everyone else knows, but can you enlighten me further on APR? I've seen it mentioned on a rare occasion, but never took the time to ask.
 
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