Has a drone ever brought a plane down? And even if it did, so what? You can't regulate every possible risk in life away.
Mandatory Drone Registration
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Has a drone ever brought a plane down? And even if it did, so what? You can't regulate every possible risk in life away.
So, if they are registered then there is a way of identifying the owner of said aircraft. The determination then could be made if it was indeed an accident or an irresponsible owner or something worse (e.g., purposeful action).
I completely agree with you that the majority of owners are responsible. However, why is it such an affront to require registration of the types of UAS that could pose legitimate risk if not properly used?
The problem is that 30-40 years ago you had a few hobbyists who built RC models and used small, little used airfields (or built their own) and never really bothered anyone (such as what you describe). Unfortunately, over the years they have become cheaper, smaller, and "easier" to fly, and you end up with a whole lot of people who care not one iota about anybody else's safety, and in fact have purposely put others at risk for the 'thrill of it.'
It's a common problem: you have something that should be self-regulating and safe; however, that turns out not to be the case and ends up requiring regulations that on the surface may seem overarching. But, in my opinion (and those in the airline industry especially) some form of regulation has to be in place. They can be tweaked at some point, but it's certainly better than no regulations at all.
What horrible accident has happened with child's toys that means we should now require registration? This is a knee-jerk reaction to something that hasn't ever happened.
Why wait for that potential to happen? The FAA receives 25+ reports per month of drones flying too close to piloted aircraft.
Lasers will bring down a plane eventually, as will drones. Drones also impeded the fire fighting efforts in the California wildfires.
We're not talking about the toy models that weigh less than half a pound. We're talking about those that can reach heights of several hundred to greater than a thousand feet and if sucked into an engine can potentially cause a catastrophe.
Sometimes you have to do something BEFORE a tragedy occurs.
Again, I'll stick with the experts (and it's apparent you are not one of them) in the field of aviation who strongly believe some form of legislation is necessary.
Half a pound seems like WAY too low of a threshold. Do they actually make anything that weighs less than that?
Yep. Especially when it's as easily predicted as this one.
The idea doesn't sit well with some, though, They probably think we should let the market handle it.
IF something bad should happen we have civil courts for that. Astronomical fines and prison time for not registering your drone sounds like something the Empire would do.
If they are registered AND the owner puts the registration number on the aircraft AND the aircraft is recoverable, the yes, the perp can be found. However, the odds of that happening in the case of anything but a complete accident are miniscule. And as I noted, the AMA already has members identifying their models -- although I think most of us do it so if we lose one, the chances are better of getting it back.
The reason I said it's unenforceable is that there is no way to compel people to register their aircraft and no way to require them to identify their models. FYI, you don't have to register every aircraft. You have to register yourself as an owner. The feds then give you a number, and that's what you're supposed to put on all your models.
Surely you see there's no way on God's green Earth that this could ever be enforced.
No, you fool, that's just a child.
90,000 Drones over Memorial Stadium Lincoln, Nebraska.
I am sooooo calling the Feds next year.
I support airstrikes on this drone factory.
I like where this is going, minimal regulations and lawsuits for everybody!
Your kid dies because a guy is playing tag with birdshot? No problem! Sue away!
Right. Because suing when disaster hits is so much better than trying to prevent disaster.
I'm not eating at Chipotle.
I love it, but won't eat there until it seems safe.
That's the free market approach.
I love it, but won't eat there until it seems safe.
That's the free market approach.
Yes, you only register once and that goes for all UAS you may have.
A simple solution to this is point of sale registration.
As someone who owns a drone...and uses it commercially. I'll say this.
you and I are in agreement that there needs to be regulations.....especially for enthusiasts who are just looking for a fun pastime. First...I think that any drone that is not intended for commercial use, should have an altitude limiter built into it's software that keeps it below 200ft. Commercial 400ft, unless you have specific qualifications that require you to fly it higher...which will also require an advanced license and regulations certification.
The fact is..........people who are buying these things for fun? They simply don't know the regulations and rules. Yeah...it's ignorant, and they need to know. BUT.....no one is educating them either. I think a step forward in this....outside of licensing......is to require the drone to have an "unlock key" in order for the new owner to be able to fly it. To unlock that code, you have to watch a safety video and fill out an online quiz based on that video. Once you pass with a 90% pass rate...........you will receive the unlock code. A 16 digit code that is not replicated, and identifiable to ONLY the drone you possess, based on its serial number. Much like purchasing software for your computer.
It takes education....and right now......NO ONE is educating the enthusiasts.....while we professionals are having to jump thru all kinds of hoops and climbing barriers to use them responsibly.
BTW....a small drone like the DJI series is NOT big enough to knock an aircraft out of the air. Large birds have been video'd attacking them and knocking them down. Even a Cessna or a Piper Cub would survive hitting one easily.
You can't avoid disaster. See your Chipotle comment. We have a massive food safety bureaucracy and yet, Chipolte happens.
(Edit: I have no idea how to spell Chipolte)
Not on your tintype. Do you have any idea how easy it is to build those things, and how many people do build them instead of buy them?
If folks were not so gawddamned stupid and irresponsible arb, we wouldn't need to "register"the drones....But like guns, the acts of a few make the rest of us pay up....And don't pitch a fit arb that when you get fined $100 for not registering your drone. Like guns and cars arb, it's all part of the price for the pride of ownership. Boo hoo to someone else.
5 new cases reported in different states that may still be linked to Chipotle
As officials investigate batches of E. coli stemming from Chipotle restaurants, which over the past months have sickened dozens across the U.S., five more cases with a different DNA fingerprint have now been linked to two of the chain’s locations in Kansas and Oklahoma.
On Monday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced it has linked thesefive new cases in Kansas, Oklahoma and North Dakota to customers who ate at Chipotle Mexican Grill restaurants in Shawnee, Kansas, and Norman, Oklahoma, between November 14 and November 23.
Are you accusing me of being the artist formerly known as Arbitr8?
Sorry, I'm a one handle guy and always have been.
That's why "simple" was italicized. When I was a kid I built RC planes, helicopters, and boats, but the fascination with them wore off.
There is also a possible FBI investigation being looked at. The e-coli strain that has been found is NOT a strain commonly found in food, and accusations of sabotage are starting to mount.
Fair enough. Chipotle hasn't been "cleared" however and people should probably to continue to proceed with caution before eating there until they are.
You wouldn't believe the advances that have been made. Seriously.
Just one example....a guy in the local club was flying a 6-rotor model, definitely not top of the line but not a super cheapie, either. Anyway, one of its attributes is that if it loses radio contact -- like, for instance, if the battery on the transmitter fails, or the pilot is stolen by Gypsies or hit by a bus or something -- the craft goes to a 30-foot altitude, hovers for a minute, and if it doesn't reconnect with the transmitter, automatically returns and lands at the spot from which it was originally launched.
There are dogs that can't do that. Hell, there are adult humans who can't do that.
It's getting more and more standard for relatively inexpensive trainers to override incorrect inputs and recover before crashing if put into a dangerous attitude by the pilot. By "relative inexpensive" I'm talking about a couple of hundred bucks.
