Many post Covid patients are experiencing new medical problems

[Joes Place]

“...I’d rather have COVID than a heart attack.”

Isaiah had a best friend with connections at the Cleveland Clinic who got him an appointment with Dr. Allan Klein, a heart specialist and director of the pericardial center at the Cleveland Clinic.

“The doctor at Cleveland is doing research on myocarditis. He’s seen 100 patients personally with myocarditis from the vaccine, and did early research on this when there were just 77 cases,” Harris said.

Exclusive: Teen Who Had Heart Attack After Pfizer Vaccine: ‘I’d Rather Have COVID’

In an interview with The Defender, 18-year-old Isaiah Harris and his father described how Isaiah had to be hospitalized within 48 hours of his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine and subsequently had a heart attack.

childrenshealthdefense.org

And another: “David is not allowed to exert himself. If he moves around too fast he has chest pain. My son is like an 80-year-old heart patient and he can’t walk. He cannot walk and exert himself because his heart can’t pump enough blood. It cannot keep up with any type of exercise, including walking.”

Exclusive: Teen Suffers Severe Heart Damage After Second Pfizer Dose, Mother Says Hospital ‘Clueless’ About Reporting to VAERS

Laura Mallozzi, whose 18-year-old son developed myocarditis two days after his second Pfizer vaccine, said she would never have connected the dots between the vaccine and her son’s symptoms if she hadn’t read about the condition in The Defender.

childrenshealthdefense.org

Once again:

Myocarditis risks from the vaccine are a fraction of the risks from actual Covid.

 

[shank hawk]

Once again:

Myocarditis risks from the vaccine are a fraction of the risks from actual Covid.

Once again you’re lying. Until you can show a study on pre and post-vaxxed kids using CMRI then you’ve got absolutely ZERO evidence to back that ridiculous BS up.

The only claim you can objectively make is that using MRI is 7.4 times more effective at diagnosing myocarditis.

Btw here’s the latest from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf). The fact that they are still injecting kids with this technology proves criminal negligence.

That’s what happens when you grant these enterprises total immunity. How long did it take the WHO to go from saying kids should not be getting injected to saying Pfi$er vaccines are safe for kids >12? About 24 hrs.

Legalized prostitution.

 

[SotaHawk87]

Once again:

Myocarditis risks from the vaccine are a fraction of the risks from actual Covid.

For kids? Are we sure about that?

 

[Joes Place]

Once again you’re lying.

No.

I'm quoting scientific publication data for you.

 

[Joes Place]

For kids? Are we sure about that?

Yes. That's been posted in this thread several times now. One physician even states that as the reason she wanted her kids to get the vaccine, instead of being exposed to Covid.

 

[Joes Place]

For kids? Are we sure about that?

The news about a potential link between the COVID-19 vaccine and a cardiac ailment in young people may be striking fear in the hearts of some parents.

But pediatric cardiologists have a message for these parents: COVID-19 should scare you more — a whole lot more — than the vaccine.


And these doctors should know. They've treated young patients who've contracted this heart ailment after vaccination — it's called myocarditis or inflammation of the heart muscle — and they've also treated young patients who've had COVID-19.

There simply is no comparison between the two, they say.

What is myocarditis? Is it safe for teens to get a COVID-19 vaccine? Pediatric cardiologists explain

Doctors say parents should fear COVID-19 more than the vaccine.

www.wlwt.com

 

[shank hawk]

Eight kids. In one hospital.

Eight chest pain cases among adolescent boys detected after COVID vaccination in San Diego

County official says all symptoms were mild

www.google.com

 

[Joes Place]

Eight kids. In one hospital.

Eight chest pain cases among adolescent boys detected after COVID vaccination in San Diego

County official says all symptoms were mild

www.google.com

More fear porn.

3000 under 30 are dead from Covid, with thousands more suffering more than "just chest pains".

 

[shank hawk]

CDC investigating recent death of Saginaw teen days after receiving COVID-19 vaccine

nbc25news.com

 

[Joes Place]

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CDC investigating recent death of Saginaw teen days after receiving COVID-19 vaccine

nbc25news.com

Myocarditis and COVID-19 vaccines

Antivaxxers have been publicizing reports of myocarditis in young people, mostly male, after COVID-19 vaccination. Is there a connection?

respectfulinsolence.com

 

[Joes Place]

View embedded media

CDC investigating recent death of Saginaw teen days after receiving COVID-19 vaccine

nbc25news.com

Just like I've posted for you, time and time again: Benefits outweigh the risks.

 

[shank hawk]

One remarkable aspect of the Covid-19 pandemic has been how often unpopular scientific ideas, from the lab-leak theory to the efficacy of masks, were initially dismissed, even ridiculed, only to resurface later in mainstream thinking. Differences of opinion have sometimes been rooted in disagreement over the underlying science. But the more common motivation has been political.

Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now.

 

[Joes Place]

One remarkable aspect of the Covid-19 pandemic has been how often unpopular scientific ideas, from the lab-leak theory to the efficacy of masks, were initially dismissed, even ridiculed, only to resurface later in mainstream thinking. Differences of opinion have sometimes been rooted in disagreement over the underlying science. But the more common motivation has been political.

Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now.

TRANSLATION: "I'm getting seriously PWNED here, so time to Gish Gallop onto something else"

 

[bladel]

It is still an approval.

Don't engage. This is like "yeah, but it's not Obama's LONG FORM birth certificate."

The FDA will take several months to review the full set of data before granting approval, which several experts told ABC News was very likely. For Moss, with nearly 300 million doses administered in the U.S., "there's nothing about that review process that's going to reveal anything we don't know."

"Yes, it's kind of a formal stamp of approval, but I don't think it really provides much more than what we already know," he said. "We have more data on vaccine safety than with any other vaccine, even before the review of the full approval."

Full FDA approval will drop in a few months, as expected. And then the anti-vax crowd will move the goalposts and pretend they never said this.

 

[notlongago]

Don't engage. This is like "yeah, but it's not Obama's LONG FORM birth certificate."

The FDA will take several months to review the full set of data before granting approval, which several experts told ABC News was very likely. For Moss, with nearly 300 million doses administered in the U.S., "there's nothing about that review process that's going to reveal anything we don't know."

"Yes, it's kind of a formal stamp of approval, but I don't think it really provides much more than what we already know," he said. "We have more data on vaccine safety than with any other vaccine, even before the review of the full approval."

Full FDA approval will drop in a few months, as expected. And then the anti-vax crowd will move the goalposts and pretend they never said this.

Lets bet on it. Once full approval is granted, we see a spike in vaccines taken. Want to quantify it? 50% increase WoW? More? Less?

 

[shank hawk]

“CDC finds more cases of rare heart inflammation than expected after Covid vaccine shots.” (CNBC).

Yeah; like up to 200X more likely in certain groups.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf

 

[Joes Place]

“CDC finds more cases of rare heart inflammation than expected after Covid vaccine shots.” (CNBC).

This has been posted throughout this thread, already.

And the risks of Covid are >200x worse.

 

[shank hawk]

This has been posted throughout this thread, already.

And the risks of Covid are >200x worse.

You couldn’t be more wrong.

Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'

In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.

www.statnews.com

Horowitz: CDC admits to heart problems among young vaccinated. Solution? More vaccination! | Blaze Media

When in the history of vaccines have we seen the CDC put out information showing that young males who get a specific shot temporarily approved by the FDA are up to 200 times more likely to suffer from heart inflammation as a side effect? As crazy as that outcome is, even zanier is that even...

www.theblaze.com

 

[Joes Place]

You couldn’t be more wrong.

Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'

In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.

www.statnews.com

Horowitz: CDC admits to heart problems among young vaccinated. Solution? More vaccination! | Blaze Media

When in the history of vaccines have we seen the CDC put out information showing that young males who get a specific shot temporarily approved by the FDA are up to 200 times more likely to suffer from heart inflammation as a side effect? As crazy as that outcome is, even zanier is that even...

www.theblaze.com

Your first link is simply stating the prevalence was not as high as initially understood.

It is still identified as a risk, and one that is 200 to 2000 times higher than the vaccines. That is straight out of JAMA.

 

[Joes Place]

You couldn’t be more wrong.

Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'

In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.

www.statnews.com

Horowitz: CDC admits to heart problems among young vaccinated. Solution? More vaccination! | Blaze Media

When in the history of vaccines have we seen the CDC put out information showing that young males who get a specific shot temporarily approved by the FDA are up to 200 times more likely to suffer from heart inflammation as a side effect? As crazy as that outcome is, even zanier is that even...

www.theblaze.com

YOUR LINK:

We take away two lessons from the Covid-19 myocarditis story. One is that SARS-CoV-2 can sometimes, though rarely, cause heart inflammation — just as many other viruses do.

And, again, it is doing this at a rate that is many times higher than the vaccines.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

More fear porn.

3000 under 30 are dead from Covid, with thousands more suffering more than "just chest pains".

Why are you using “under 30” when talking about children? Talk about fear porn.

 

[Joes Place]

Why are you using “under 30” when talking about children? Talk about fear porn.

Because that was the metric someone I was responding to used. I wasn't referring to "children", I was referring to the "under 30" comment of another poster.

Try to keep up.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Because that was the metric someone I was responding to used. I wasn't referring to "children", I was referring to the "under 30" comment of another poster.

Try to keep up.

Wrong. Liar. The post you responded to was an article titled

Eight chest pain cases among adolescent boys detected after COVID vaccination in San Diego​

I guess “adolescent” is now Under 30. Just stop. And I’m as pro vaccine as can be. But your fearmongering is grotesque.

 

[Joes Place]

Why are you using “under 30” when talking about children? Talk about fear porn.

Maybe you could try to keep up with the discussion points

 

[Joes Place]

Wrong. Liar. The post you responded to was an article titled

Eight chest pain cases among adolescent boys detected after COVID vaccination in San Diego​

I guess “adolescent” is now Under 30. Just stop. And I’m as pro vaccine as can be. But your fearmongering is grotesque.

The discussion was about myocarditis in "children" and "young adults".
Again. Try to keep up. This info was posted a while ago.

 

[Joes Place]

But your fearmongering is grotesque.

I ain't the one "fearmongering" buddy.
I've been pointing out to your anti-vaxxer buddies that the virus is WAY more lethal and detrimental to the health of young adults AND teens than the vaccines are.

 

[shank hawk]

Over the ensuing months, numerous research groups published studies that refuted the early concerns and provided reassuring evidence that SARS-CoV-2 had no extra toxicity to the heart — though they did little to dispel the public idea that it did.

In January 2021, University of Wisconsin researchers studied 145 student athleteswho had Covid-19 and found myocarditis in only 1.4% of them, none of whom required hospitalization. In March, a group of sports cardiologists reported on nearly 800 professional athletes who had tested positive for Covid-19. Less than 1% of these athletes had abnormal findings on cardiac magnetic resonance scans or stress echocardiography. None of these athletes had cardiovascular trouble when they returned to play.

In April, another group of authors published a series of 19,000 athletes who were tested for Covid-19. About 3,000 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, most of whom then underwent basic cardiac testing. Reassuringly, less than 1% of these work-ups yielded abnormal findings. And just 21 of the 3,000 had definite, probable, or possible cardiac involvement based on lab testing and cardiac imaging. Five (0.2%) of the athletes required hospitalization for non-cardiac complications of Covid-19 and one (0.03%) had a successfully resuscitated cardiac arrest that was deemed not related to Covid-19 because a heart scan done as part of the evaluation showed no evidence of myocarditis.

In a stronger study published last week, an international team compared two groups of health care workers: one with Covid-19 and the other without it. There were absolutely no differences in biomarkers of heart function or heart scans using echocardiography or magnetic resonance.

These three studies enrolled young people with mild symptoms. But even in the sickest of the sick, Covid-19’s effect on the heart appears to be modest. A London-based team reported on a series of 148 patients who had recovered from severe Covid-19. Cardiac magnetic resonance scans done during convalescence showed that nearly half of the individuals had no major heart abnormalities, and 9 out of 10 had normal heart function. These researchers coined a new phrase for myocarditis seen on cardiac magnetic resonance scans: they called it a myocarditis-like pattern because “we do not know what is causing this.”

To sum up: The issue of Covid-19 induced cardiac problems was massively overblown.

The broader lessons — science messaging​

The flawed German report that sparked the hyperbolic messaging was tweeted by more than 19,000 accounts and covered by nearly 400 news outlets. An opinion piece in the New York Times by cardiologist Haider Warraich, titled “Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease,” was published shortly after the paper. If not for public critical appraisalfrom Mayo Clinic cardiologist Michael Ackerman, the 2020 college football season might not have happened.

 

[Joes Place]

In January 2021, University of Wisconsin researchers studied 145 student athleteswho had Covid-19 and found myocarditis in only 1.4% of them

AGAIN:

Covid: 1.4%
Vaccine: <0.002%

#MATH
#ANOTHER.SHANKHAWK.SELF.PWN

 

[Joes Place]

 

[shank hawk]

In a stronger study published last week, an international team compared two groups of health care workers: one with Covid-19 and the other without it. There were absolutely no differences in biomarkers of heart function or heart scans using echocardiography or magnetic resonance.

 

[Joes Place]

In a stronger study published last week, an international team compared two groups of health care workers: one with Covid-19 and the other without it. There were absolutely no differences in biomarkers of heart function or heart scans using echocardiography or magnetic resonance.

You're Gish Galloping, again.

There are NO differences in heart function after vaccines, either. (and, FWIW, there are clear indicators a small portion of people DO have heart irregularities after Covid; I have a relative/schoolteacher who is one of them)

But there IS a difference in myocarditis from Covid (>2% incidence) vs. vaccines (<0.002% incidence).

 

[shank hawk]

You're Gish Galloping, again.

There are NO differences in heart function after vaccines, either. (and, FWIW, there are clear indicators a small portion of people DO have heart irregularities after Covid; I have a relative/schoolteacher who is one of them)

But there IS a difference in myocarditis from Covid (>2% incidence) vs. vaccines (<0.002% incidence).

That number is bullshit and you know it: using laboratory diagnostics for covid-caused myocarditis and comparing it to clinical diagnosis for vaccine cases.

Not to mention the politics of it: trying to pump up the numbers to increase fear versus downplaying adverse effects of the vaccine in order to decrease the fear.

Let me know when Big Pharma or their fda/cdc puppets are ready to do a study on
pre/post vaxxed kids using CMRI.

 

[Joes Place]

That number is bullshit and you know it: using laboratory diagnostics for covid-caused myocarditis and comparing it to clinical diagnosis for vaccine cases.

You got called out on your Gish Gallop.

AGAIN: Risks from Covid are MUCH HIGHER than from vaccines. You don't like that data; that IS the data.

 

[shank hawk]

You got called out on your Gish Gallop.

AGAIN: Risks from Covid are MUCH HIGHER than from vaccines. You don't like that data; that IS the data.

Not in young people.

Just do the CMRI on pre and post-vaxxed and you’ll see where the real threat lies.

But Pharma, and the politicians and bureaucrats in their back pocket, aren’t interested in facts, or science.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Joes Place]

Not in young people.

Yes, in young people.

You posted the numbers, yourself.

 

[LBoogie28]

That number is bullshit and you know it: using laboratory diagnostics for covid-caused myocarditis and comparing it to clinical diagnosis for vaccine cases.

Not to mention the politics of it: trying to pump up the numbers to increase fear versus downplaying adverse effects of the vaccine in order to decrease the fear.

Let me know when Big Pharma or their fda/cdc puppets are ready to do a study on
pre/post vaxxed kids using CMRI.

Since when have you had a problem with “bullshit” numbers? You post phony AF info from Twitter all the time, then slink away when you get called on it.