Marinelli

[Neo_Hawk]

The reference to genius was sarcasm dumb ass

Now you're getting it. That's how you commit!

- I would mention the lack of a comma in your response by asking "what is a "sarcasm dumb ass"", but that might be a softball even you can hit, plus I hate grammar-centric posts, since I am usually the offender

 

[Neo_Hawk]

See there all you "Rumor Haters", zeko just posted the exact opposite rumor about AM's knee, you should all be happy. Actually you should all be pissed off that someone is spreading a rumor like this. Stuff like this keeps happening, they are going to stop doing "open practices".

 

[IAChief32]

See there all you "Rumor Haters", zeko just posted the exact opposite rumor about AM's knee, you should all be happy. Actually you should all be pissed off that someone is spreading a rumor like this. Stuff like this keeps happening, they are going to stop doing "open practices".

Hey Neo...you ok bruh? Need a hug or something?

 

[Dont_Just_Dream]

Pretty sure I overheard Brands whispering in the bathroom of Carver that Marinelli tore both ACLs, both Achilles' and both pinky toes, but plans to cut to 33 and give it a go.

 

[StParis]

Pretty sure I overheard Brands whispering in the bathroom of Carver that Marinelli tore both ACLs, both Achilles' and both pinky toes, but plans to cut to 33 and give it a go.

While relaxing in the sauna I overheard that the bull tore his entire right leg and plans on having it removed. They also mentioned Anthony Robles is being added to the HWC staff and Marinelli will indeed go 33 next year, after a Medical RS.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

Hey Neo...you ok bruh? Need a hug or something?

....Only if you're going to throw me big boy!

Okay, I am a little amp'd and maybe I went a little too far, but now there are two things I hate on HR, 1) Trolls 2) People with the opinion that only their opinion should be heard and if you disagree you are stupid. If you're that "In the Know", you should be on staff, not on HR arguing. I'm not all that bright so I like to hear other people opinions, even if I disagree, because I might learn something.

 

[dunkej01]

A voice of reason. Sure didn't see that coming from a PSU fan on an Iowa board.

Not all of us are members of the cobra kai

 

[Pennstate1985]

....Only if you're going to throw me big boy!

Okay, I am a little amp'd and maybe I went a little too far, but now there are two things I hate on HR, 1) Trolls 2) People with the opinion that only their opinion should be heard and if you disagree you are stupid. If you're that "In the Know", you should be on staff, not on HR arguing. I'm not all that bright so I like to hear other people opinions, even if I disagree, because I might learn something.

Very odd question, but are you a weather geek by any chance?

 

[Kwoodhawk]

A voice of reason. Sure didn't see that coming from a PSU fan on an Iowa board.

Reverse psychology................

I see you fell for it..............

 

[Neo_Hawk]

Very odd question, but are you a weather geek by any chance?

Yes.....that is a very odd question. Now you know I have to ask, why would you think I am a weather geek?

The answer is "no" i think, unless this is something like a "blumpkin" or "a dirty muskie" or an "Alabama hot pocket", then the answer might be, "I could give that a try" , but it depends on who's asking.

I live in NE Ohio where it's always cloudy and when daylight savings time ends it gets dark at noon, so not a lot of weather change to get excited about. Although I was in IC this past week where even when the weather is shitty, the sun still makes an appearance, which was nice confirmation to me that it's still burning.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Not all of us are members of the cobra kai

 

[dicemen99]

An outsider poking his head in, but maybe someone with no skin in the game's opinion would help. Don't see the need to roast the OP over the fire, nor people who dispute the issue. Anyone who has wrestled at a high level or has someone close to them wrestling at a high level knows that things like this are common and there is a lot of variance. There is room for all of the information here to be shades of right. Injuries come in different grades and even the slightest sprain could be referred to in some circles as a tear - because that is what it technically is. What to do about it is not always cut and dry immediately. Perhaps the first course of action is to limit activity and with rest there should be no issue with healing in a few weeks. Perhaps the first course of action is to limit activity in hopes of it responding to the point where you can get through the season and get it taken care of after. Perhaps the first course of action is to shut down for a few weeks, hope for the best and then go out there and take your chances and if you find you have to get it taken care of, so be it. Different doctors have varying levels of aggressive treatment, different wrestlers have varying abilities to wrestle with injury. This is par for the course in college wrestling. My guess is that you're in the limiting activity phase right now and in a bit they will know more. At least that would be a guess based on the conflicting bits of information leaking out and the fact that he is missing time.

As far as the loose ships sink ships camp, I'm in the camp that kind of says what does it really matter. But it does matter to a lot of wrestling coaches. Old school for the community and old school habits die hard. These guys are intelligent enough to know that some of the things said here make total sense - keeping a lid on an injury because you are worried about an opponent knowing about it will last all of about one match. But just because they know this is true doesn't mean they are going to change they way they are tight lipped about the info. All of them. But saying that this is the kind of thing that is going to end open practices is fairly ridiculous. Even without message boards, kids talk, parents talk, coaches talk and everybody knows something is up when it is. But it doesn't mean the coaches won't try to keep a lid on it.

 

[IAChief32]

Pretty sure I overheard Brands whispering in the bathroom of Carver that Marinelli tore both ACLs, both Achilles' and both pinky toes, but plans to cut to 33 and give it a go.

That’s the stupidest thing I have ever heard. No way he could go with two broke pinkies.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Yes.....that is a very odd question. Now you know I have to ask, why would you think I am a weather geek?

The answer is "no" i think, unless this is something like a "blumpkin" or "a dirty muskie" or an "Alabama hot pocket", then the answer might be, "I could give that a try" , but it depends on who's asking.

I live in NE Ohio where it's always cloudy and when daylight savings time ends it gets dark at noon, so not a lot of weather change to get excited about. Although I was in IC this past week where even when the weather is shitty, the sun still makes an appearance, which was nice confirmation to me that it's still burning.

It was just strange that a guy with Hawk in his user name and the exact same avatar as you posts on a weather forum I belong to. Anyway, carry on.

 

[Czech Hawk]

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That has always cracked me up. Good stuff

 

[IowaFan1414]

But it does matter to a lot of wrestling coaches..........Even without message boards, kids talk, parents talk, coaches talk and everybody knows something is up when it is. But it doesn't mean the coaches won't try to keep a lid on it.

That's the point. The coaches SHOULD try to keep a lid on it. If that's one of your guys, and "we like our guys", you don't go giving information about your wrestlers to the opponents, regardless if everyone would eventually, or immediately, figure it out. You protect your athletes and do what's right by them, like Tom Brands seems to do quite well.

 

[IowaFan1414]

on a weather forum I belong to.

Wait.....what?!? LOL

 

[LumbeeIndian]

It was just strange that a guy with Hawk in his user name and the exact same avatar as you posts on a weather forum I belong to. Anyway, carry on.

Weather forum??? That’s interesting....

 

[whejoe]

Wait.....what?!? LOL

Lol, I can't believe someone would admit to belonging to a weather forum....

 

[Novakht]

I think it's a fine line.. we are in a different information age then we were 10-15-20 years ago.

Personally I cringe when I see specific injury info, complete description of how a practice match/go went down.

What potential recruits are scheduled for visits and when they are in the room...

I don't see a lot of that with other programs.

In fairness..I see a ton of posts that simply are not true in any way shape or form.

Iowa has had a lot of pride in having an open room..open practice ..and really open access to the facilities.

Maybe the time has come to close the practices and access.. I have mixed feelings. I guess if I'm Brands, I evaluate if the stuff posted is helping, not making a difference or hurting.

If it's hurting... Then maybe only certain practices are open.

 

[lookleft goright]

That’s the stupidest thing I have ever heard. No way he could go with two broke pinkies.

If he cut one off like Rulon did, he would be able to go.

 

[wneff]

Lol, I can't believe someone would admit to belonging to a weather forum....

Penn State is one of (if not the) top meteorology schools.

 

[ih8iast8]

Penn State is one of (if not the) top meteorology schools.

Most popular class "Truth, Lies, & Uranus"

 

[cosmo90]

I think it's a fine line.. we are in a different information age then we were 10-15-20 years ago.

Personally I cringe when I see specific injury info, complete description of how a practice match/go went down.

What potential recruits are scheduled for visits and when they are in the room...

I don't see a lot of that with other programs.

In fairness..I see a ton of posts that simply are not true in any way shape or form.

Iowa has had a lot of pride in having an open room..open practice ..and really open access to the facilities.

Maybe the time has come to close the practices and access.. I have mixed feelings. I guess if I'm Brands, I evaluate if the stuff posted is helping, not making a difference or hurting.

If it's hurting... Then maybe only certain practices are open.

I don't see a lot of that with other programs either. I also don't see any other program putting 40,000 people into a football stadium to watch wrestling.

Or having a cesspool where everyday fans get ginned up enough to donate over $100,000 in a few weeks.

I too hope it doesn't hurt and lead to closing practice - but Iowa is a special program in a special place.

That's coming from a former basketball player raised in Michigan who went to school at Iowa and grew to love Hawkeye Wrestling.

p.s. How's the Bull's rehab going? I hope it's going great.

 

[1stplacehawk]

I think it's a fine line.. we are in a different information age then we were 10-15-20 years ago.

Personally I cringe when I see specific injury info, complete description of how a practice match/go went down.

What potential recruits are scheduled for visits and when they are in the room...

I don't see a lot of that with other programs.

In fairness..I see a ton of posts that simply are not true in any way shape or form.

Iowa has had a lot of pride in having an open room..open practice ..and really open access to the facilities.

Maybe the time has come to close the practices and access.. I have mixed feelings. I guess if I'm Brands, I evaluate if the stuff posted is helping, not making a difference or hurting.

If it's hurting... Then maybe only certain practices are open.

Other teams simply don't have much of a following. If they did, you would likely see the same.

 

[pumpdog20]

I think it's a fine line.. we are in a different information age then we were 10-15-20 years ago.

Personally I cringe when I see specific injury info, complete description of how a practice match/go went down.

What potential recruits are scheduled for visits and when they are in the room...

I don't see a lot of that with other programs.

In fairness..I see a ton of posts that simply are not true in any way shape or form.

Iowa has had a lot of pride in having an open room..open practice ..and really open access to the facilities.

Maybe the time has come to close the practices and access.. I have mixed feelings. I guess if I'm Brands, I evaluate if the stuff posted is helping, not making a difference or hurting.

If it's hurting... Then maybe only certain practices are open.

Not advisable to start limiting access to the so called best fans in the sport. Especially during a possible year where the team struggles, relatively speaking. As with the NFL, the Iowa wrestling program isn't immune to people turning away.

 

[Novakht]

<<I too hope it doesn't hurt and lead to closing practice - but Iowa is a special program in a special place. >>

No doubt.. but despite good intentions, some things posted here have hurt the last 6 months..

No one loves this place more then me .. you guys and gals have made my job easier...

But $$ donated and passion should have people even more aware of what is posted here is very public.

This forum cares..plain and simple. I get that.. but be more aware and be general in your posts.

 

[IAChief32]

Plus, a lot of this is word of mouth by some who don’t even attend practice but here from some on the team. Awful tough to keep 40 guys from blabbing.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Plus, a lot of this is word of mouth by some who don’t even attend practice but here from some on the team. Awful tough to keep 40 guys from blabbing.

I do think it’s important to note that this particular bit of “info”, such as it is, wasn’t heard at practice. Someone evidently spoke to a friend when he should have kept it to himself, and his friend used some poor judgment by posting it on here.

I’m sure we all enjoy the free flow of information, but it only takes one person to divulge sensitive information and one other person to exercise poor judgment and post it in a public forum. And that has nothing to do with open practices.

One option would be to give the staff veto power over posts that might contain sensitive info, but that would seem almost impossible to do, logistically.

As noted above, the good news is that Iowa wrestling fans are so numerous and passionate that it seems we’re the only fan base with these kinds if issues. In a way, that’s a really nice feather in our cap.

 

[dunkej01]

I think people always blabbed and played the telephone game. Social media has just taken it to a whole other level and there is no way to pull it back once its out there. we all know this, thats why we are here.

Iowa has to be one of the most open and real programs in D1. Part of that is countering to the negative recruiting out there but I think much of it is history and a rabid fan base that lives and dies with the program. winning tradition, no pro teams, yadda, yadda but nonetheless a deep desire to know whats going on with the team.

not a bad place to be if you ask most fans regardless of sport. Most teams would kill to have what you guys do, only to beat their head against the wall with no help from admin/donors/fans.

then you have what we have at PSU, where there is a lock down on access outside of normal/scheduled press avails. If people are to be real about PSU our interviews with staff or team members are canned and not exactly introspective. Then as far as "inside info" if you put out stuff on social media, you have to be prepared to find a new source, get blasted off board or get shunned for awhile. just the way it is.

So its tricky I get what Mr. Novak is saying. Its hard to have it both ways with great fans who feel apart of the program but keep intel in the public domain to a minimum. Hate to say you got to take the good with the bad and just work to limit damage but thats kind of just the way it is.

 

[rider976]

Penn State is one of (if not the) top meteorology schools.

Maybe that's the reason PSU wrestling has so many "fair weather fans", especially since 2011.

 

[el dub]

Plus, a lot of this is word of mouth by some who don’t even attend practice but here from some on the team. Awful tough to keep 40 guys from blabbing.

I walked into Carver for a dual one night and the father of an athlete told me about an injury his son was working through. I never shared that info, but that stuff gets out there from some sources very close to the program.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

I do think it’s important to note that this particular bit of “info”, such as it is, wasn’t heard at practice. Someone evidently spoke to a friend when he should have kept it to himself, and his friend used some poor judgment by posting it on here.

I’m sure we all enjoy the free flow of information, but it only takes one person to divulge sensitive information and one other person to exercise poor judgment and post it in a public forum. And that has nothing to do with open practices.

One option would be to give the staff veto power over posts that might contain sensitive info, but that would seem almost impossible to do, logistically.

As noted above, the good news is that Iowa wrestling fans are so numerous and passionate that we’re really the only fan base with these kids if issuess. In a way, that’s a really nice feather in our cap.

Again with the "poor judgement posting it here", now someone is going so far as to suggest an option for someone on the staff to have veto power over posts? Wow. Just wow.

It's a rumor
Could be a hoax
Wasn't heard at practice or open gym

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Again with the "poor judgement posting it here", now someone is going so far as to suggest an option for someone on the staff to have veto power over posts? Wow. Just wow.

It's a rumor
Could be a hoax
Wasn't heard at practice or open gym

You’ll notice I said it would seem logistically impossible, and I don’t think it would ever be done.

That said, sensitive info about our guys’ physical condition really isn’t any of our business. I don’t see anything particularly preposterous about a member of the staff limiting the amount of info about injuries posted on an Internet fan forum. I just don’t think it’s feasible.

Kinda hostile today, there, fella.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Wait.....what?!? LOL

Sociopath.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

You’ll notice I said it would seem logistically impossible, and I don’t think it would ever be done.

That said, sensitive info about our guys’ physical condition really isn’t any of our business. I don’t see anything particularly preposterous about a member of the staff limiting the amount of info about injuries posted on an Internet fan forum. I just don’t think it’s feasible.

Kinda hostile today, there, fella.

You don't see anything wrong with a member of the staff limiting info on an internet fan forum? Who you got in the Olympics, the Soviets?
Here's some things I think are off base, let me know which ones you protested when you saw them on this board, posting about a kids grades, posting that a kid is mildly autistic, serious posts about a kids girlfriend. These should be way more out of bounds than an injury rumor but they have all popped up here.
Everyone knows there is an injury with AM. Wheather he wrestles soon or isn't wrestling after midlands, we'll know one way or another. Not sure why this rumor is getting so many so angry.

 

[artradley]

I'm struggling to figure out why it matters if injuries become public knowledge. If, say, the Bull had a serious injury and the specific injury was announced, how would that negatively affect the team? What could another team do to exploit that information.

 

[whejoe]

Wheather he wrestles soon or isn't wrestling after midlands, we'll know one way or another. Not sure why this rumor is getting so many so angry.

I think you are trying to please two different forums, this one and the weather forum.

 

[IowaFan1414]

I'm struggling to figure out why it matters if injuries become public knowledge. If, say, the Bull had a serious injury and the specific injury was announced, how would that negatively affect the team? What could another team do to exploit that information.

It's different if it is "announced", as you say, by the team (i.e. Brands).

"Insider" fans releasing that information, when then team doesn't want it released is entirely different. It could be as simple as a wrestler working through some nagging injury that we wouldn't want opponents to know about. Again, kind of how not all the info about Clark's injuries were made public last year.

Now, I don't know if the OP is some crack-pot Weather Chaser from Happy Valley, or he is a Hawk fan with a former Hawk friend. Either way, this thread has taken some wild turns.....

 

[ih8iast8]

It's a god-damned interweb message board. I would certainly hope no one associated with or considering the program takes anything on here seriously, except for the $$$. We are just here to have f$@n, right?