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Years ago when I first started reading on the board I would see things that made me question my education.
Where....were....we're..... used incorectly continously.
There....their......they're...... might have been even worse.
At first I thought maybe they had changed the way those words were used sometime ago and I just never got the memo.
Then I figured out that the people posting incorrectly were all from Canada and they used the words differntly because of their French heritage. They just can't understand the King's English and it's grammar rules.
Hope that helps ............
So, what I gleaned from this thread is that there may or may not have been a recruit who was scheduled to come to town but changed his mind after pressure was applied by a coach from another team to cancel visit after it became public knowledge. Or something like that.....
Plus people are often typing on tiny cell phone keyboards with their thumbs and auto correct that often makes that even harder.Years ago when I first started reading on the board I would see things that made me question my education.
Where....were....we're..... used incorectly continously.
There....their......they're...... might have been even worse.
At first I thought maybe they had changed the way those words were used sometime ago and I just never got the memo.
Then I figured out that the people posting incorrectly were all from Canada and they used the words differntly because of their French heritage. They just can't understand the King's English and it's grammar rules.
Hope that helps ............
When I read this thread, I think of the scene from Workaholics, where Dean says, "Craigslist casual encounters is blocked. What is this, North Korea?"
Not sure if this is what is being entailed, but a wrestling forum of fans getting some or any blame on recruiting or lack there of is weak sauce.
Just out of curiosity, why does hiding injuries not make sense to you? The public doesn't need to know. This is a non revenue sport where there is no betting. Clearly there are boosters in wrestling like there are in any other sport, but even they do not need to know.
I personally have no problem with them releasing the injury or keeping it private it. Obviously, if they dont release it, they may face the scrutiny of the fan base or the press if a kid continually isnt wrestling, and at times, maybe the truth is easier to manage than the rumors.
In reality, its no ones business, but the kids, the parents and the programs. IMO
GO HAWKS!!
If it's on tv you can bet on it. Heck you can bet on the Iowa high school semi and finals in football.
Fair enough. Yes you can bet on anything anywhere if you find someone that wants to
My point is that that wrestling isn't a sport people traditionally bet on. With a traditional Vegas line. Where injuries are either required or expected to be announced
RBY was never going to commit to Iowa. Reminds me of the married guy flirting with his mistress that he’s never going to be with. But go ahead and close out the one thing that separates this program. Keep its passionate fans at a distance, because that must be what’s holding us back. Can’t make this shit up, and I’m looking forward to the next excuse.
You could be right. Maybe you limit access and information. I strongly feel that is the absolute opposite of what should happen though. Hawkeye wrestling has a following that no other school has and it's not even close. I say you go the opposite direction. You have tens of thousands of fans all across the country craving information. I have been growing increasingly frustrated by the secrecy in the program and on this board. I crave information and yet all I usually get is vague comments like "trust me, you will like the news coming" or " if only you knew the recruits we had in town". We crap. How about you tell me.
Why don't we capitalize on our popularity and have a transparency unlike any other. Why don't we make it easy for people across the country to follow and stay excited. I firmly believe that if you minimize access that you are ruining our only remaining advantage. Our popularity. Our mass number of fans. You can quickly turn us from the Yankees or Cubs to the royals or the twins.
I have a sick feeling that if you cut off acces to information that 20 years from now the forum everyone goes to will be PSUs. We will ruin our brand. If everyone across the country can't feel connected in a real way then our only real advantage will be negated in a major way.
Can't people just use common sense? Don't break injury info or visit info that isn't already known. Seems pretty simple.
Or how about our program not tell sensitive injury info to visitors? Heck, in this case not even a room visitor. Recruiting part is weak..
To me, hiding injuries doesn't make sense because I don't see what purpose it serves. I asked this earlier and didn't see an answer -- what is the downside of injuries being made public?
Also, I do believe we do all have a right to know because the coaches are paid by tax dollars, the facilities are purchased with tax dollars, and the scholarships are paid for with tax dollars. While I don't consider it to be a big thing, there is certainly no burden on the taxpayers to prove a compelling reason why these things shouldn't be public. So I have a hard time understanding chastising somebody for "leaking" information about an athlete's injury.
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Lmao, sorry this reasoning is hilarious. Go tell that to the CIA or military and demand a right to know intel because they are taxpayer funded.
I believe the CIA and military are still accountable to civilian authorities, correct? And they do, indeed, have compelling reasons for having some secrets. My reasoning is that there should be a highly compelling reason for any entity paid for by tax dollars to keep something secret. Further, there should be a compelling reason for anonymous posters to chastise others for passing on "secret" information.
So what is that compelling reason?
Are you asking if we have the right to know about injuries to another person? HIPAA. Also, keeping it under your hat has strategic value.
I think one would have trouble applying HIPAA to sports injuries. If it did, then coaches would be forbidden from discussing injuries; which I'm pretty sure they're not. But this legal aspect is a side-topic.
I'm curious about the strategic value. I'm open to being convinced, but I haven't been able to come up with anything on my own. What could another team do with information the one of our wrestlers has had an injury?
"I can't confirm nor deny" is one that bothers me alot. Makes the person saying it feel that they are above others or connected, I guess.
Hey, I can neither confirm nor deny any inside information -- because I don't know any!
A healthy athlete walks on to the mat, the opponent has no distinct advantage. An athlete with two knee sleeves walks on to the mat with one known injury to a particularly knee and the opponent is aware of it. Distinct advantage in the latter. This is why it is not good to release injury news/insider information. Not to mention the over riding factor of protecting the safety of the athlete from being further injured. Not all injuries can be disguised, but it is best not to draw attention to them if possible. There are some unwritten rules that run pretty deep, sharing injury information with the public is one of them.
Is there a strategic value to weighing in more than one wrestler for a dual meet? Not always, but there can be.
I think there would always be a value in having your opponents having less information about ur team.
Tax dollars? Actually no. IMO it's not a reason to justify the release of an injury to a young man or woman anyway.
"Operating 24 intercollegiate programs, the Iowa athletics department is self-sustaining and receives no general university funds."
This is a quote from an article in the Quad City times from last year. I am sure it's in many articles and you can find it elsewhere very easily
Here is the link https://www.google.com/amp/qctimes....79fa6d20-89a6-5be9-98b2-7c64a6b0d2a1.amp.html
Actually, coaches are forbidden from releasing any info the student doesn't want out there...especially specific injuries. It's why inside information on college teams in basketball and football are such a huge commodity in the gambling world.
From a strategic standpoint, why give your opponent chance to get spun up on the next guy up?
Wrestlers have been known to wear sleeves on their good knee to throw their opponent off. What if the injury is unique, like an lcl where there isn't a definitive treatment?
Strategicly its as simple as attacking the strong side leg as to put your opponent fighting and pushing off with his weak side. Some would actually attack the weak side also, in an arm injury going to a half or a bar to weak shoulder that sort of thing.
I actually do not have a problem with the program keeping injury info to themselves, if they think it offers some strategic advantage then good for them but if it leaks out to a friend or former wrestler and they share this information with others and it somehow gets posted on our board, then the program didn't do a good job keeping it to themselves and they only have themselves to blame.
You can't expect all posters to share one single opinion on this and just because it's "bad judgement" according to some, does not mean it's actually bad judgement.
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Off the top of my head...Coach says publicly a wrestler is nursing a right shoulder injury. No surgery, no brace, it is very painful and he is going to wrestle through it. Next opponent spends the entire first period in a Russian 2 on 1 pulling on that right shoulder, where he otherwise wouldn't ever use a Russian. Can't you see why the coach should have never disclosed that information?
It's really quite obvious why coaches don't want to disclose the nature and severity of injuries. Injuries create a vulnerability that could be exploited by an opponent. Some more than others.
Wow.
In all walks of life, tax dollars don't give the tax payer the "right" to know all the details when releasing those details could compromise an objective.
Can tell you for an ABSOLUTE FACT that had other teams known the extent of Corey’s injuries he would have had little or no chance of placing letting alone winning last year. He had only two or three things he was capable of doing and that was all. See any strategic value for not letting other teams know that? As an aside, some people did know but they were Hawk fans first and did not post it on a public forum.
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That’s some crystal ball you have there partner.
The one fact I know is that you donated wrestling tickets to a good cause. And there’s not a bad seat in the house so relax.
Athletes sign a waiver so that injury information CAN be discussed, in most cases. That doesn't mean it HAS to be discussed.
Rarely does injury information get discussed by coaches and trainers in detail. "X Player has a knee injury and will be out for Z time" is the most common type of discussion, with very little detail actually given. And unlike pro sports, college coaches are not required to do that much.
I know quite a few coaches, and none of them are naive enough to believe they can hide an injury.
pretty sure everyone knew about Cory.s limitations. That is what was so great about him winning it all.
Pretty sure they knew about some but not ALL of his physical limitations. Did not know all he was not able to do physically.
Even after the fact, why would I post it here? Don’t feel the necessity to prove I know things so you can take it for what it is...believe it or don’t makes no differene to me.
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