Marshall @ WSU

[DavenportHawk8]

Anyone see this? Apparently went nuts on a referee and got ejected. He then stomped around the floor and kept trying to get into the face of the officials. He even shoved his assistant coaches and players out of the way. Pretty pathetic beings its an exhibition game and doesn't count towards anything.

Someone must of pissed in his french fries and gravy that morning.

 

[CyCity]

That dude is a nutcase. Good coach but him and his wife are lunatics

 

[Ronman]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...rges-refs-at-exhibition/ar-BBvtcfO?li=BBnba9I

 

[hooper56]

He is a jerk and a nut but his player was getting abused and the refs were not calling it. He was standing up for his players and trying to protect them. I think a good coach SHOULD do this. But he maybe could have found a more effective way than acting like a recalcitrant child.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

He is a jerk and a nut but his player was getting abused and the refs were not calling it. He was standing up for his players and trying to protect them. I think a good coach SHOULD do this. But he maybe could have found a more effective way than acting like a recalcitrant child.

Yeah Fran used to do this as well in his early years at Iowa. Its one thing to get a technical and get your point across to the official. Its completely different to go out on the floor and shove multiple assistant coaches and players in order to get into the officials face. That is pretty pathetic and I was embarrassed when Fran did at UNI.

 

[hooper56]

Yeah Fran used to do this as well in his early years at Iowa. Its one thing to get a technical and get your point across to the official. Its completely different to go out on the floor and shove multiple assistant coaches and players in order to get into the officials face. That is pretty pathetic and I was embarrassed when Fran did at UNI.

Nope you are wrong.

 

[Ronman]

Frankly, I was quite proud that McCaffery refused to bend over and go quietly when we were receiving one of the worst jobbings I've ever witnessed in college basketball.

 

[DanL53]

Every time a college basketball coach tosses his cookies I just sit back and wait to be reminded that Fran did this, or did that.

Wait long enough and most coaches will have an incident or two that people can decide to be embarrassed by.

 

[fifteenandoh]

these sorts of things are gonna get worse and worse because there is no accountability for these referees from the media...
the media never seriously questions officiating in any sport...
that alone should be a red flag.

so its on the coaches to keep the officials in check during the heat of the battle.
plus we got coaches getting fired every time they have a down season...

coaches get younger and younger...
the younger the coach.... the more is on the line.... the more hot headed they get....

its only a matter of time before somebody explodes... I mean... really explodes.

coaches have millions of dollars on the line... and they are getting bamboozled by some ref who is pocketing 10 Gś for fixing a game...

not everybody is dumb... there are people who can see what is going on.

 

[MagicCoach]

I spoke with a Stetson assistant yesterday who just played that same Canada team a day before and he said the officials weren't great but the game was a scrimmage in August. At what point is enough, enough.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Yeah Fran used to do this as well in his early years at Iowa. Its one thing to get a technical and get your point across to the official. Its completely different to go out on the floor and shove multiple assistant coaches and players in order to get into the officials face. That is pretty pathetic and I was embarrassed when Fran did at UNI.

Haven't been embarrassed by anything Fran has done

 

[DodgerHawki]

these sorts of things are gonna get worse and worse because there is no accountability for these referees from the media...
the media never seriously questions officiating in any sport...
that alone should be a red flag.

so its on the coaches to keep the officials in check during the heat of the battle.
plus we got coaches getting fired every time they have a down season...

coaches get younger and younger...
the younger the coach.... the more is on the line.... the more hot headed they get....

its only a matter of time before somebody explodes... I mean... really explodes.

coaches have millions of dollars on the line... and they are getting bamboozled by some ref who is pocketing 10 Gś for fixing a game...

not everybody is dumb... there are people who can see what is going on.

So what is the excuse in a August scrimmage against a team from Canada? What millions of dollars is Marshall losing out on in a scrimmage against McGill University? If Marshall thought his team was in a dangerous environment, take your team off the floor and end the game.

What message is being passed on to his team? If you feel passionately about something, then that justifies any actions that the coach takes?

Officiating gets questioned all the time, everywhere, constantly. They make mistakes. In all of the major conferences, every ref is graded for every game. The worst guys don't do games anymore.

What Marshall did, and what Fran did at UNI, is an example of a grown man losing all control and acting like an idiot. There's standing up for your team, and there's losing all control. There's a way to get tossed out of a game and making your point without coming unhinged.

 

[DanL53]

So what is the excuse in a August scrimmage against a team from Canada? What millions of dollars is Marshall losing out on in a scrimmage against McGill University? If Marshall thought his team was in a dangerous environment, take your team off the floor and end the game.

What message is being passed on to his team? If you feel passionately about something, then that justifies any actions that the coach takes?

Officiating gets questioned all the time, everywhere, constantly. They make mistakes. In all of the major conferences, every ref is graded for every game. The worst guys don't do games anymore.

What Marshall did, and what Fran did at UNI, is an example of a grown man losing all control and acting like an idiot. There's standing up for your team, and there's losing all control. There's a way to get tossed out of a game and making your point without coming unhinged.

How many Division One games have you coached? I'm just asking because apparently quite a few coaches have missed your clinic on how to behave on the bench, or in interviews, or press conferences, wherever.

One would think for the money being paid colleges could find Dalai Lama type calm guys to coach their teams!

"Most enlightened dunk young man! No, you are the man! No, you are! Always keep respectful distance and defend with the mind, not the hands!"

 

[WORTHYWISH]

these sorts of things are gonna get worse and worse because there is no accountability for these referees from the media...
the media never seriously questions officiating in any sport...
that alone should be a red flag.

so its on the coaches to keep the officials in check during the heat of the battle.
plus we got coaches getting fired every time they have a down season...

coaches get younger and younger...
the younger the coach.... the more is on the line.... the more hot headed they get....

its only a matter of time before somebody explodes... I mean... really explodes.

coaches have millions of dollars on the line... and they are getting bamboozled by some ref who is pocketing 10 Gś for fixing a game...

not everybody is dumb... there are people who can see what is going on.

^^^ This times a Gazilliabillion!!

 

[DrewHawk33]

So what is the excuse in a August scrimmage against a team from Canada? What millions of dollars is Marshall losing out on in a scrimmage against McGill University? If Marshall thought his team was in a dangerous environment, take your team off the floor and end the game.

What message is being passed on to his team? If you feel passionately about something, then that justifies any actions that the coach takes?

Officiating gets questioned all the time, everywhere, constantly. They make mistakes. In all of the major conferences, every ref is graded for every game. The worst guys don't do games anymore.

What Marshall did, and what Fran did at UNI, is an example of a grown man losing all control and acting like an idiot. There's standing up for your team, and there's losing all control. There's a way to get tossed out of a game and making your point without coming unhinged.

I have no problem with what Fran did at UNI or Mich. St., or any other game he got a technical foul. A message needed to be sent, at that point in the program rebuild, that Iowa was not going to stand by and passively take the crap Lick had allowed to occur over his reign. The UNI game in particular was disgusting and IMO Fran's behavior was warranted.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Haven't been embarrassed by anything Fran has done

I guess it was more the situation in the game. Iowa was only down like 3-5pts and I know they were getting jobbed. But Fran went off and got tossed. It turned a close game into a 10pt game and basically ended up losing the game.

Early in Frans career he used to get T's at the worst times (mostly close games) and it was end up biting us in the @ss.

I would say the past 3 years he has really calmed down and is not getting T'd up as much. I don't recall him getting T'd up last year at all? HE still gets fired up, but it seems he yells more at his players now than at the officials. Plus it helps that Sanzere & Valentine are no longer doing Iowa games.

 

[Red87]

As a coach, I have no problem with what Marshall did. WSU had guys get stitches, getting drilled with elbows in the head, no fouls being called, etc. He had had enough, and being a scrimmage is irrelevant. Officials were putting his players in jeopardy and he wasn't going to sit by and let it happen. A scrimmage is actually the BEST place to do this; it's basically consequence free, and his team, if they didn't before, now knows their coach means business and will fight his butt off for them.

 

[jhawkinaz]

As a coach, I have no problem with what Marshall did. WSU had guys get stitches, getting drilled with elbows in the head, no fouls being called, etc. He had had enough, and being a scrimmage is irrelevant. Officials were putting his players in jeopardy and he wasn't going to sit by and let it happen. A scrimmage is actually the BEST place to do this; it's basically consequence free, and his team, if they didn't before, now knows their coach means business and will fight his butt off for them.

I respect that you have your opinion, but I would offer up that nothing in today's world is basically consequence free. This will cost him something at some point. Respect, a second chance if it happens again, a recruit......something.

I am all for him standing up for his team (I did not see the game, but heard it was pretty bad), but get your T's, put your finger in the officials face, get ejected, and let them hear you long and loud, that will get your point across.

But all that flailing around, and charging at another person like you intend to do some serious harm.....to the point where your 18--22 year old players feel like they need to hold you back?..........no thanks, those are the actions of a jackass. Maybe overall he is not a jackass, but in that moment he was without question. How do you expect your kids to act with composure if you cannot? Do as I say and not as I do? that's crap, IMO.

 

[fifteenandoh]

I respect that you have your opinion, but I would offer up that nothing in today's world is basically consequence free. This will cost him something at some point. Respect, a second chance if it happens again, a recruit......something.

I am all for him standing up for his team (I did not see the game, but heard it was pretty bad), but get your T's, put your finger in the officials face, get ejected, and let them hear you long and loud, that will get your point across.

But all that flailing around, and charging at another person like you intend to do some serious harm.....to the point where your 18--22 year old players feel like they need to hold you back?..........no thanks, those are the actions of a jackass. Maybe overall he is not a jackass, but in that moment he was without question. How do you expect your kids to act with composure if you cannot? Do as I say and not as I do? that's crap, IMO.

let me ask you... should there be consequences for the officials in this game?

 

[jhawkinaz]

let me ask you... should there be consequences for the officials in this game?

that's a fair question. Without seeing the game it would be hard for me to say one way or the other.

My initial thought would be if the game was reviewed, and it was determined with at least some probability, that players were injured as a result of the way the game was officiated, then yes there should be some consequences.

If they were just $hitty officials or homering WSU, then no. It was an exibition. When I used to coach High School basketball, if I knew the officials for a summer league game or scrimmage game, I would tell them not to give my kids any calls (within reason) to see how they would handle it.

 

[DodgerHawki]

How many Division One games have you coached? I'm just asking because apparently quite a few coaches have missed your clinic on how to behave on the bench, or in interviews, or press conferences, wherever.

One would think for the money being paid colleges could find Dalai Lama type calm guys to coach their teams!

"Most enlightened dunk young man! No, you are the man! No, you are! Always keep respectful distance and defend with the mind, not the hands!"

Good lord, so now the logical argument is that only Division I coaches can have an opinion on whether a coach is acting like a 2-year old? Might as well shut down the message board.

I get making a point to officials, I get intentionally getting tossed out of a game to make a larger point. I also know when I see a person completely out of control, which is what Fran was at UNI and at Wisconsin, and what Marshall was in the exhibition. I don't need to be a Division I coach to understand what I see right in front of me in 1080 pixel HD.

Are we at the point where we aren't allowed to criticize Fran, at all, about anything? What he's done with the Iowa program is tremendous, 5 straight post-season appearances and 3 straight NCAA appearances (with 2 NCAA wins, the first since 2001). It all speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean what he did at UNI and Wisconsin was right. If it was so perfect, why did he get suspended for a game and have his AD come out and say he talked to him about it? If it was so on point, why hasn't he had a similar outburst since then? Have there been no other instances where he "needed to stand up for his guys"? Of course not.

 

[hawkbleeder]

Yeah Fran used to do this as well in his early years at Iowa. Its one thing to get a technical and get your point across to the official. Its completely different to go out on the floor and shove multiple assistant coaches and players in order to get into the officials face. That is pretty pathetic and I was embarrassed when Fran did at UNI.

This.

 

[EagleHawk]

Yeah Fran used to do this as well in his early years at Iowa. Its one thing to get a technical and get your point across to the official. Its completely different to go out on the floor and shove multiple assistant coaches and players in order to get into the officials face. That is pretty pathetic and I was embarrassed when Fran did at UNI.

Wisconsin, maybe. UNI? should have happened earlier in the game. No matter what the score was at that point, Iowa had no shot at winning that game that night.

 

[HawkRugged17]

Wisconsin, maybe. UNI? should have happened earlier in the game. No matter what the score was at that point, Iowa had no shot at winning that game that night.

The score was 47-45 UNI with 9:47 left in the game when the first two technical fouls were called on Iowa. Fran was finally tossed with 4:47 left in the game.

http://www.thegazette.com/2011/12/06/uni-delivers-technical-knockout-to-iowa

 

[Red87]

I respect that you have your opinion, but I would offer up that nothing in today's world is basically consequence free. This will cost him something at some point. Respect, a second chance if it happens again, a recruit......something.

I am all for him standing up for his team (I did not see the game, but heard it was pretty bad), but get your T's, put your finger in the officials face, get ejected, and let them hear you long and loud, that will get your point across.

But all that flailing around, and charging at another person like you intend to do some serious harm.....to the point where your 18--22 year old players feel like they need to hold you back?..........no thanks, those are the actions of a jackass. Maybe overall he is not a jackass, but in that moment he was without question. How do you expect your kids to act with composure if you cannot? Do as I say and not as I do? that's crap, IMO.

Meh, this was consequence free. He sure as heck isn't losing any recruits over this, and he probably got his team's attention. I get it, he probably "went too far," but on the whole, given the circumstances (had a guy get a concussion, stitches, scoreboard operator didn't award WSU points 3 times, etc.), he was justifiably mad. It's not inherently immoral, classless, or wrong to publicly confront egregiously incompetent officials. And again, an exhibition in the summer is a god place to do it.

 

[DanL53]

Here you go DodgerHawki. Ten coaching meltdowns. Here's what you do, watch one and then say:

"But remember when Fran...".

Watch number 9, and, "Remember when Fran...."

Watch number 8, and, "Remember when Fran..."

Ok, maybe you'll get my point about #3 or #2.

http://www.sportsbreak.com/sports/10-biggest-coach-meltdowns-in-history/?streamview=all

 

[hawk-i bob]

Good lord, so now the logical argument is that only Division I coaches can have an opinion on whether a coach is acting like a 2-year old? Might as well shut down the message board.

I get making a point to officials, I get intentionally getting tossed out of a game to make a larger point. I also know when I see a person completely out of control, which is what Fran was at UNI and at Wisconsin, and what Marshall was in the exhibition. I don't need to be a Division I coach to understand what I see right in front of me in 1080 pixel HD.

Are we at the point where we aren't allowed to criticize Fran, at all, about anything? What he's done with the Iowa program is tremendous, 5 straight post-season appearances and 3 straight NCAA appearances (with 2 NCAA wins, the first since 2001). It all speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean what he did at UNI and Wisconsin was right. If it was so perfect, why did he get suspended for a game and have his AD come out and say he talked to him about it? If it was so on point, why hasn't he had a similar outburst since then? Have there been no other instances where he "needed to stand up for his guys"? Of course not.

nothing wrong being critical of Fran...saying he was "completely out of control" is an exaggeration on your part IMO...

Fran has beenhead coach at the D1 level for several hundred of games...pointing to an UNI or Wisc is also an exaggeration on your part IMO. In fact had the referee at Wisc walked away (like he should have) it could have been a different story.

in the emotion of games,,,ya occasionally a coach will get tossed from a game via the 2 tec rule...doesn't mean a thing considering the number of games that Fran has coached.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Meh, this was consequence free. He sure as heck isn't losing any recruits over this, and he probably got his team's attention. I get it, he probably "went too far," but on the whole, given the circumstances (had a guy get a concussion, stitches, scoreboard operator didn't award WSU points 3 times, etc.), he was justifiably mad. It's not inherently immoral, classless, or wrong to publicly confront egregiously incompetent officials. And again, an exhibition in the summer is a god place to do it.

It's not inherently immoral, classless, or wrong to publicly confront egregiously incompetent officials

couldn't agree more with this statement...but for some reason some like to focus on the coaches actions or reactions...yet the officials seem to get a pass.

They got a pass at UNI...that's for sure.

At Wisc...as Fran was quoted it wasn't his intention to get a 2nd Tec..we can debate whether he deserved it or not...but for sure the official could have also walked away.