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Mass Justice Dept. resignation marks a new kind of defiance against Trump

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The resignation of at least seven Justice Department officials after refusing to drop charges against an ally of President Donald Trump marks the first significant defiance of Trump by federal officials, raising the conflict between the president and his critics to a new level.

The mass resignation is drawing inevitable comparisons with the 1973 Saturday Night Massacre, when Justice officials quit rather than obey President Richard M. Nixon’s orders to fire the Watergate special prosecutor. And in the current moment, the action could create a precedent for further acts of resistance if Trump orders other government officials to do things they find inappropriate or believe would violate their legal responsibilities.

“It’s obviously unprecedented, as far as I know. It’s a very big deal,” said Robert S. Litt, a former senior Justice Department official in the Clinton administration. Attorneys, he said, “don’t resign because you disagree with the policies, but because you are being asked to do something you believe is ethically, morally or legally improper.”

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The departures may be particularly resonant because some of the key figures have strong conservative credentials, bearing little resemblance to the “radical left lunatics” that Trump often depicts as his enemies. They have laid out their reasons for quitting in legalistic but evocative terms, giving their actions an added punch.

 
It is also significant because it represents a brain drain from the DoJ. The people who quit have worked some very high profile cases that resulted in major victories. Are the MAGA twats coming to replace them going to be able to succeed in the court room when they're number one qualification is loyalty to the leader?
 
It is also significant because it represents a brain drain from the DoJ. The people who quit have worked some very high profile cases that resulted in major victories. Are the MAGA twats coming to replace them going to be able to succeed in the court room when they're number one qualification is loyalty to the leader?
I wouldn't get too worked up about brain drain; smart lawyers grow on trees, as do less-smart-but-clever ones. And honestly, the thing about main justice types generally is that they confuse simple leverage with great lawyering.

What is worth getting worked up about is that these folks are coming out of the public integrity section, which in my experience, tend to be some of the most ethical people in the entire department.
 
Seven resignations = MASS resignations.

I’m reminded of the cartoon of the man turning on the kitchen light and the roaches scattering.
 
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I wouldn't get too worked up about brain drain; smart lawyers grow on trees, as do less-smart-but-clever ones. And honestly, the thing about main justice types generally is that they confuse simple leverage with great lawyering.

What is worth getting worked up about is that these folks are coming out of the public integrity section, which in my experience, tend to be some of the most ethical people in the entire department.

 
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Seven resignations = MASS resignations.

I’m reminded of the cartoon of the man turning on the kitchen light and the roaches scattering.
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These are high level resignations, not some pencil pushers in a corner cubicle.

Governing by fear is dictator like.

Apparently that doesn't bother you, sweetie?
 
Possibly. And my family will deal with that IF that happens.

When the care providing agencies that help support adults like your kid disappear (because govt funding was a main/stable resource for them), it really won't matter how much money you've saved up - there won't be anyone available to provide housing. You'll either need to pay someone for 24hr care, or you'll need to do it yourself.

I suppose you could take Trump's advice and just euthanize him (which is what Trump actually implied to his own relative, about their disabled kid).
 
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Seven resignations = MASS resignations.

I’m reminded of the cartoon of the man turning on the kitchen light and the roaches scattering.
These are high level resignations, not some pencil pushers in a corner cubicle.

Governing by fear is dictator like.

Apparently that doesn't bother you, sweetie?
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I merely shared that it made me recall a cartoon I once saw. And being a Floridian we only HAVE big roaches.
And the big roaches always do “bug me”.
Got it, sweetie? 😏
 
These are high level resignations, not some pencil pushers in a corner cubicle.

Governing by fear is dictator like.

Apparently that doesn't bother you, sweetie?
I merely shared that it made me recall a cartoon I once saw. And being a Floridian we only HAVE big roaches.
And the big roaches always do “bug me”.
Got it, sweetie? 😏
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It's pretty clear your post implied these people needed to leave.

Careful you don't trip backpeddling this fast!
 
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Seven resignations = MASS resignations.

I’m reminded of the cartoon of the man turning on the kitchen light and the roaches scattering.
When there were 2 resignations under Nixon it was labeled the Saturday night massacre.

Do you really think these people are roaches? That is a pretty gross comparison to make.

It seems to me the more disturbing behavior is that Bove and Bondi forcing their staff to execute an unlawful and unethical order. Cowardly really if they feel so strongly then they should file it themselves not lock people in a room threaten to fire everyone and promote the person that agrees.

The good news is Bove appears completely incompetent. His reasoning literally indicates that they didn't evaluate the case on its merits.
 
I merely shared that it made me recall a cartoon I once saw. And being a Floridian we only HAVE big roaches.
And the big roaches always do “bug me”.
Got it, sweetie? 😏
It's pretty clear your post implied these people needed to leave.

Careful you don't trip backpeddling this fast!
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Perhaps it’s clear that is your takeaway.
If I do trip, it will be over your mistaken assumption.
 
When he posts these stories, is it a painful reminder you voted for the wrong Presidential candidate?

Cause it pretty clear things are spiraling downward.
No. No it isn't.

What is spiraling downward is the Democrat party. Clearly. Loss after loss. But rest assured, you guys will snap out of it with David Hogg as newly elected Vice Chair.
 
When there were 2 resignations under Nixon it was labeled the Saturday night massacre.

Do you really think these people are roaches? That is a pretty gross comparison to make.

It seems to me the more disturbing behavior is that Bove and Bondi forcing their staff to execute an unlawful and unethical order. Cowardly really if they feel so strongly then they should file it themselves not lock people in a room threaten to fire everyone and promote the person that agrees.

The good news is Bove appears completely incompetent. His reasoning literally indicates that they didn't evaluate the case on its merits.
I’ll take you at your word. It’s your opinion and you’re still entitled to it.
Just a thought…is it possible Bove was just trying to mirror the current culture at DOJ by not evaluating the merits?
But that’s my opinion, which I’m also still entitled to. Remember how that works?
 
When there were 2 resignations under Nixon it was labeled the Saturday night massacre.

Do you really think these people are roaches? That is a pretty gross comparison to make.

It seems to me the more disturbing behavior is that Bove and Bondi forcing their staff to execute an unlawful and unethical order. Cowardly really if they feel so strongly then they should file it themselves not lock people in a room threaten to fire everyone and promote the person that agrees.

The good news is Bove appears completely incompetent. His reasoning literally indicates that they didn't evaluate the case on its merits.
Sure.

Calling people Roaches=bad
Calling people Nazis=good.
Got it.
 
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IIRC, these are "shithole countries" we're now modeling ourselves after....
 
I’ll take you at your word. It’s your opinion and you’re still entitled to it.
Just a thought…is it possible Bove was just trying to mirror the current culture at DOJ by not evaluating the merits?
But that’s my opinion, which I’m also still entitled to. Remember how that works?
I'll steelman your argument and assume that there is a culture of the DOJ not evaluating cases on their merits. I don't think this can be supported by evidence but fine.

Surely the remedy for this is not to mirror the behavior.

This is something most people learn as a small child.
 
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I'll steelman your argument and assume that there is a culture of the DOJ not evaluating cases on their merits. I don't think this can be supported by evidence but fine.

Surely the remedy for this is not to mirror the behavior.

This is something most people learn as a small child.
Indeed most of us did learn those values as children. We agree on that.
 

Mass Justice Dept. resignation marks a new kind of defiance against Trump​


When the going gets rough we quit.
 
I’ll take you at your word. It’s your opinion and you’re still entitled to it.
Just a thought…is it possible Bove was just trying to mirror the current culture at DOJ by not evaluating the merits?
But that’s my opinion, which I’m also still entitled to. Remember how that works?
Sure, it's your right to be stubbornly wrong. Hell, it's what you do best.
 
When the care providing agencies that help support adults like your kid disappear (because govt funding was a main/stable resource for them), it really won't matter how much money you've saved up - there won't be anyone available to provide housing. You'll either need to pay someone for 24hr care, or you'll need to do it yourself.

I suppose you could take Trump's advice and just euthanize him (which is what Trump actually implied to his own relative, about their disabled kid).
I’m not sure what your beef is with me. I posted about Ciggy spamming the board with 9 new posts in less than an hour. I didn’t mention politics or Trump.

I voted for Harris. My no pic wife voted for Harris. I fvcking despise Trump. So go argue with someone else.
 
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