They broke his foot so they would have the injury excuse for the upcoming chitty downfall. That's why it's their fault.
Matt VandeBerg
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Again, my first response here is to feel bad for Matt and for his teammates who lose his inspirational leadership on the field and in the statistic box. But life, and football, go on. So...
A poster above mentioned Noah Fant; I also wonder about the project of converting Shaun Beyer from a tight end to a wide receiver, and about T.J. Hockenson's insane high school receiving numbers. Maybe one of the three could run to daylight and catch the ball when he gets there. Maybe an open door...
A poster above mentioned Noah Fant; I also wonder about the project of converting Shaun Beyer from a tight end to a wide receiver, and about T.J. Hockenson's insane high school receiving numbers. Maybe one of the three could run to daylight and catch the ball when he gets there. Maybe an open door...
First off both Ott and Vandeberg played as true freshman so people talking about 6th year are off basis. Ott played in 6 games last year out of 14, 42.8%. Barely played against Pitt and N. Texas which in hindsight wish he would have just sat out and left first half of ISU and 2nd half of Illinois game is where KF and Iowa thought he had a chance. If Iowa makes a bowl game gives them 13 games and if 4 games played it comes to 30.7% of games played. Now unfortunately I'm sure a ruling wouldn't be made before bowl game and he'd play in it if healthy. But that'd be interesting if he knew if he sat out rest of the year he could get medical redshirt for a 5th year.
As I mentioned in another thread, Kirk is going to have to place trust in kids he currently does not trust. Has no choice at all here.
Normally I'd say go twin tights...but there's no 2nd TE receiving option so far. Let's hope one of the reserves is a good blocker.
I get the feeling we're going to see a lot more FB Saturday and try smash mouthing it with McCarron taking over the missing WR.
If that fails, Kirk has no choice. The kids go in.
Normally I'd say go twin tights...but there's no 2nd TE receiving option so far. Let's hope one of the reserves is a good blocker.
I get the feeling we're going to see a lot more FB Saturday and try smash mouthing it with McCarron taking over the missing WR.
If that fails, Kirk has no choice. The kids go in.
Time to go with all the young guys. Go through the learning curves and start coaching them because we are going to need them eventually.
Ughh what horrible news. A few years ago people were bashing him, that he was too slow etc but he has turned into our 3rd and long #1 target. Bailed us out with so many great plays, catches in traffic - him and CJ had perfect timing with each other. I feel terrible for him but hopefully one of our younger players can step in.
The argument for Ott was that there should be a special exception for a couple reasons: (1) he sat out 9 games (I believe) as a freshman to redshirt and burned his redshirt due to injuries to players ahead of him, and (2) while he participated in 6 games last year, his participation in 4 of those games was limited due to injury. The goal of the second argument was to show that he really played less than 30% of the season if you count by quarters rather than games.
VandeBerg played in 11 games as a freshman and was not limited by injury in any of his 4 games this year.
Finally, as I had said before, bowl games do not count as part of the calculation.
Sheel and Jerminic have been getting a lot of snaps, they just aren't receiving targets. Sometimes it seems like CJB has less trust in them than Kirk.
Vandeberg would qualify for a medical hardship if it is a season ending injury. This is from the compliance department. Can't play in more than 30% of games. Since it is 4 games and not more than that he could apply. Which I am sure he will do.
Then he needs to work with them and get confidence in them. A good QB will make his WR's better.
So then if he is back for the bowl, they can't use that to keep him from a redshirt?
MM was talking to a compliance professional and he said, 'You round up and he'll have played in 30% of games this season. He'd be good because he didn't participate in "more than".'
I think we all know this whole medical hardship waiver process is one big gray area and they basically just do what they want when it comes down to it.
I looked into this more: the maximum allowable games played is calculated with a 30% threshold, and you round up to the nearest full number. See bylaw 14.2.4.3.6.2. The maximum allowable games any FBS team can schedule is 12, and you get to add one game for the conference championship, regardless of whether your team competes in the game. See bylaw 14.2.4(d). The calculation does not include bowl games. See bylaw 14.2.4.3.6.1.1.1. Thus, for every Big 10 team the maximum allowable games is 13.
The math then goes like this: 30% * 13 games = 3.9 allowable games played. You then round 3.9 to 4 and thus VandeBerg can play in 4 games.
If he were to participate in the bowl game, he would not harm the 30% calculation, but it would still make him ineligible for a medical hardship because per bylaw 14.2.4(b) the injury must have resulted in "incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season" which does include the bowl game.
Agreed. The good news is that either way, we should see VandeBerg in a Hawkeye uniform again.
Noted at KFs press conference by a reporter how moeaki got red shirt after he got hurt and playing in 4 games in 07'. As we all know who knows how the NCAA would rule on it.
Pretty sure you'll be able to walk through the door the day before the game and have plenty of rooms to choose from, but it's not a bad idea to get on that early.
B1G Championship and CFP? Still want to save him for next year???
Neither has proven they can get open and neither has proven they can catch it when they do.
Matt's a great kid, and will be missed. Don't worry; I think we play our best game of the year so far on Saturday. The other WRs, many of whom are close friends of Vandy, will step up. In a way, we'll have a lot less predictable passing game, which makes it harder for NW to defend.
I just think this team can get there without him. Players step up every year on this team.
