MBB Power 6 Conference Standings over the Last 200 Games
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How do the kids do it?.......
"BuT FrAN anD IoWa cAn'T kEEp up wiTH thE BiG Ten In rEcrUItiNg!!!"
BirdistheWord
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Think of some of the players that have rolled through IC in that span. Garza, Weezy, Keegan, Kris, etc.
80% of Iowa fans think we will turn into Gonzaga if we just fire this guy.
Kind of funny seeing every B12 team north of .500 in league standings (yes, I'm aware this takes the newcomers' previous leagues into account).
Third in the big ten. That's the best position our record puts us in any of the conferences. Big 12 we'd be seventh
To me that’s a pretty long way from mediocre. Being better than average or the mean to me isn’t bad, don’t misunderstand I want better and am hopeful something , someone gets crazy good and pushes the Hawkeyes to new heights, maybe it’s Tadjo or Cooper or Freeman goes nuts. I’m usually a half full guy, as opposed to half empty guy
Again, no one really cares about regular season record.....other than is it good enough to make the tourney. All that matters (whether it should be that way or not is another question) is what you do in the tourney. Unfortunately, Fran has a 30+ year body of work that shows he can't get it done in the tourney. So the question Hawkeye fans (and Beth) have to ask themselves is if we're content with upper division conference finishes and NCAA tourney flameouts or not. If we are, then Fran's the guy.....if not, then we need to find someone who can get it done come March.
Just like with most things in life, it’s never as good as or as bad as people perceive it
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Actually, a lot of people care about the regular season, including myself. It’s crazy to think the first 27 games don’t matter, only the last couple.
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Actually, a lot of people care about the regular season, including myself. It’s crazy to think the first 27 games don’t matter, only the last couple.
I get it, but you're in a quickly waning minority. Now that the college football playoff has expanded, college football is headed down that road too. It won't matter to most what your team's regular season record was....it'll be "Did we make the playoff and did we make some noise."
I do wonder if people on this board would rather have an elite 8 appearance, or a big ten championship. It's been a lot longer since we actually won a championship. And now with the big 10 expanding again, I for one would much rather enjoy being on top, though out the season.
this helped accumulate wins. Weird being above Duke and Kentucky, however.
So, regular season enthusiast, how do you feel about Iowa winning zero regular season titles in the last 45 years? How do you feel about Fran winning 51% of his regular season league games over his career at iowa?
...or might it be more accurate to say that you care about the end of regular season record in general -- which would put you in an extreme minority, indeed.
What matters?
Hardware matters. That's it. Period.
What has Fran won?
Regular season league title? No.
League tournament tile? One.
NCAA regional championship? No.
NCAA regional quarterfinal (sweet sixteen)? No.
NIT championship? No.
200 games seems unnecessarily arbitrary because it requires exclusion of a portion of a full season. Why do that?
In the past 10 Big Ten seasons Fran has finished in 6th place on average. A couple of 3d place finishes are the high water mark.
Certainly not bad by any stretch of the imagination. Considering Iowa's resources compared to a lot of other B1G programs, pretty damn respectable, actually.
But ... c'mon....it's a stretch to say much more than that.
Fran's record in the post season -- BTT (.429) and NCAA Tournament (4 wins in 15 years never past round of 32) -- is frankly, ... nothing to boast about.
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NOBODY is boasting about Fran's post season record, let's be clear. Damn respectable is what we have been. Could we be better with someone else, sure we could. Iowa does not operate in that sphere. You win games, you graduate players, you don't cheat, you get to stay about as long as you want. That's it, period.
Can't disagree with the facts, although the first year at Iowa should probably not be held against Fran. If I were grading Fran, I would give him a B- for the regular season, and a D- for post season. He would get a really good mark for running a clean program with quality kids, for those of us who also care about that.
I don't agree. I used to care more about bowls and tournaments, but I've come to enjoy the process and the journey. Maybe its a function of age, but I think if people are honest they will admit that the regular season games are where you get most of
That’s a lot of gripe. I enjoy the process. I enjoy the journey. I enjoy games in November as much as games in February and early March. I enjoy consistently finishing in the top half of the Big and consistently making the NCAAs . I enjoy winning the BTT. I enjoy having more all American and all Big players than most other Big teams. I enjoy having the National POY. I enjoy watching players get drafted and play in the NBA. I enjoy having a clean program with a coach I admire and players I respect and root for.
I don't even know what "running a clean program" even means in the NIL era. Not playing dirty? Not having a bunch of low character criminals on your team?
I mean...I guess? I don't really think there are that many rogue programs out there. Are there?
You are right that the cheating part is gone, but how often do you hear about Iowa players getting in trouble? JBO getting knocked out might be the last I have heard
Based on division 1 talent available in each state , Iowa should be 13th on this list ahead of only Nebraska.
The fact that we are right there with MSU Illinois and Wis and ahead of everyone else but PU is damn impressive coaching and recruiting.
The fact that we are right there with MSU Illinois and Wis and ahead of everyone else but PU is damn impressive coaching and recruiting.
Virginia is an interesting case study. 149-51. Four conference titles. A national title. But have only won 1 other NCAA tournament game in the last 8 years, and that was in 2017.
| 2016–17 | Tony Bennett | 23–11 | 11–7 | T–5th | NCAA Second Round |
| 2017–18 | Tony Bennett | 31–3 | 17–1 | 1st | NCAA First Round |
| 2018–19 | Tony Bennett | 35–3 | 16–2 | T–1st | NCAA Champions |
| 2019–20 | Tony Bennett | 23–7 | 15–5 | T–2nd | Cancelled |
| 2020–21 | Tony Bennett | 18–7 | 13–4 | 1st | NCAA First Round |
| 2021–22 | Tony Bennett | 21–14 | 12–8 | 6th | NIT Quarterfinals |
| 2022–23 | Tony Bennett | 25–8 | 15–5 | T–1st | NCAA First Round |
| 2023–24 | Tony Bennett | 23–11 | 13–7 | 3rd | NCAA First Four |
Except that we're not really "right there with" those programs. All of them have won at least one regular season title (MSU has won 3, Wisconsin has won 2) and all of them have been to at least one elite eight (MSU has been to 2 final fours) within the last 200 games played. In the last 100 games, Illinois has won a regular season title and two tournament titles and been to an elite eight.
We might be able to keep pace with those three going forward in terms of league wins but even with that, I'm skeptical.
The way I see it, here is the Top 25 over that timeframe ...(Gonzaga added via special exemption)...
- UConn
- Kansas
- Virginia
- UNC
- Baylor
- Villanova
- Duke
- Purdue
- Gonzaga
- Arizona
- Kentucky
- Michigan State
- Houston
- Auburn
- Tennessee
- Creighton
- Texas Tech
- Marquette
- Alabama
- Oregon
- UCLA
- Texas
- BYU
- (t) Iowa / Illinois / Wisconsin
I've heard that college players have been contacted and offered NIL $ during the season while playing for another college. I don't know if there are even rules against this now, but this is just dirty IMO.
Honestly the regular seasons are going to be super unbalanced when it comes to league schedules as these conferences expand. I’d rather make noise in the tourney.
That ranking says one thing to me - Iowa is not a dogsh^t program. If they are then they are at the top of a very large pile of dogsh^t.
Is that "good enough"? IDK, I'd sure like to do better. But it's pretty representative of Iowa basketball history.
Make no mistake - I am ready for a change. Let's give someone else a shot at breaking the glass ceiling.
Is that "good enough"? IDK, I'd sure like to do better. But it's pretty representative of Iowa basketball history.
Make no mistake - I am ready for a change. Let's give someone else a shot at breaking the glass ceiling.
BirdistheWord
HB Legend
Good point. Though for Iowa you are talking basically NPOY (really twice) plus first team all American in Keegan. With that in hand we should have found a way to do more damage in the tourney.
That's the rub, imo.
The tourney is largely a crap shoot. Advancement depends on matchups. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you get unlucky, sometimes you get intentionally f*cked by the committee.
The ONLY way to ensure success over the long haul is to continue to make the tourney (preferably with a 5 seed or better).
Fran gets us to the tourney. It's a really tough call to get rid of a coach that does that. That's the rub.
It is hard to understand how Fran's teams have consistently performed so poorly in the post season. Some years there were understandable reasons, but others they just peed down their leg when they should have at least won a couple of games.
Yeah... I don't know. I doubt anyone is actually contacting the player. They all have agents. Reaching out to an agent to feel out any interest...I just don't know. Doesn't seem outrageous to me.
There were strong rumors, for example, that Illinois tampered with Storr during the season. Seems kind of slimy but then again, that kid was obviously looking to secure the biggest bag he could get ...so really hard to tell who reached out to whom first.
It's the wild west.
Google: Bruce Pearl - Deon Thomas - Chevy Blazer
Iowa Assistant Coach Bruce Pearl recorded a phone conversation with recruit Deon Thomas saying an Illinois assistant coach offered him $80,000 and a Chevy Blazer to come to Illinois. Illinois obviously denied the allegations. Thomas later said he made it up to get off the phone with Pearl and that none of the violations happened. There ended up being lawsuits and NCAA investigations into the allegations. It made an intense rivalry between Iowa and Illinois in the early 1990’s even that much larger.
Illinois was found to be in violation of several infractions (no major violations) but lack of institutional control was one of them. They received a one year post season ban and two years of scholarship restrictions.
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