McKay Dresses, does not play in ISU's win over TCU

[OnceAhawk]

From the Cedar Rapids Gazette:

No. 15 Iowa State secured a 92-83 home win against TCU, but was without the services of senior Jameel McKay, who was in uniform on the bench but didn’t see any action. Iowa State coach Steve Prohm said McKay wasn’t suspended for Saturday’s game and it was the coaches’ decision to not play him.

“(McKay didn’t play) for the best interest of where we want to be down the road,” Prohm said. “We’re excited to move on to West Virginia and that’s it. It was my decision and there’s really not much more to it.”

The Cyclones (19-8, 8-6) were ahead by eight at the break, but the Horned Frogs (11-16, 2-12) cut it back down to 44-40. Iowa State went on a 15-2 run to take control while it shot 65.4 percent from the field in the second half

TCU hung around in large part because of its work on the glass, outrebounding Iowa State 43-31 while getting 20 offensive boards and 25 second-chance points. JD Miller had 19 points and 11 rebounds to lead the Horned Frogs and was able to use a size advantage at the rim.

“We missed (McKay) a lot,” said Monte Morris. “The numbers speak for themselves. They got a lot of offensive rebounds, but we won’t really make a big emphasis on that because we know we were missing somebody. It would be different if Jameel was out there.”

Iowa State held its own offensively with sizable performances from Georges Niang, Abdel Nader and Deonte Burton. Niang led the Cyclones with 27 points while Nader added 24 with three assists, two blocks and a steal.

Burton tied a career high with 23 points and 14 rebounds in 38 minutes and said despite the high number of minutes and transition to a starting role, the changes haven’t taken any tolls on him.

“It’s basketball,” Burton said. “Whether I play 20 minutes or 15, it’s the same type of game.”

Although Prohm said McKay was not suspended Saturday, he said McKay “probably had an idea” he wouldn’t play. He added there is “no question” McKay will be available to play Monday at West Virginia.

“It’s my decision on what I want to do and that’s it. It’s no more and no less,” Prohm said. “Obviously we need Jameel to be great. Everybody in this room knows it, our team knows it and he’ll be ready to go.”

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/s...ate-gets-by-tcu-without-jameel-mckay-20160220

 

[hooper56]

From the Cedar Rapids Gazette:

No. 15 Iowa State secured a 92-83 home win against TCU, but was without the services of McKay, who was in uniform on the bench but didn’t see any action. Iowa State coach Steve Prohm said McKay wasn’t suspended for Saturday’s game and it was the coaches’ decision to not play him.

“(McKay didn’t play) for the best interest of where we want to be down the road,” Prohm said. “We’re excited to move on to West Virginia and that’s it. It was my decision and there’s really not much more to it.”

The Cyclones (19-8, 8-6) were ahead by eight at the break, but the Horned Frogs (11-16, 2-12) cut it back down to 44-40. Iowa State went on a 15-2 run to take control while it shot 65.4 percent from the field in the second half

TCU hung around in large part because of its work on the glass, outrebounding Iowa State 43-31 while getting 20 offensive boards and 25 second-chance points. JD Miller had 19 points and 11 rebounds to lead the Horned Frogs and was able to use a size advantage at the rim.

“We missed (McKay) a lot,” said Monte Morris. “The numbers speak for themselves. They got a lot of offensive rebounds, but we won’t really make a big emphasis on that because we know we were missing somebody. It would be different if Jameel was out there.”

Iowa State held its own offensively with sizable performances from Georges Niang, Abdel Nader and Deonte Burton. Niang led the Cyclones with 27 points while Nader added 24 with three assists, two blocks and a steal.

Burton tied a career high with 23 points and 14 rebounds in 38 minutes and said despite the high number of minutes and transition to a starting role, the changes haven’t taken any tolls on him.

“It’s basketball,” Burton said. “Whether I play 20 minutes or 15, it’s the same type of game.”

Although Prohm said McKay was not suspended Saturday, he said McKay “probably had an idea” he wouldn’t play. He added there is “no question” McKay will be available to play Monday at West Virginia.

“It’s my decision on what I want to do and that’s it. It’s no more and no less,” Prohm said. “Obviously we need Jameel to be great. Everybody in this room knows it, our team knows it and he’ll be ready to go.”

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/s...ate-gets-by-tcu-without-jameel-mckay-20160220

No one thought to ask him why he just decided not to play his best player? I mean, clearly he has hatred for the guy.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Bravo Prohm sitting him vs TCU, TX Tech and Okie St some message sent there...... (sarcasm)

 

[Nohawknamesleft]

Clue me in...what did he do that "wasn't in the best interest of the team"

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Clue me in...what did he do that "wasn't in the best interest of the team"

Attitude, not wanting to practice. Fred isn't there to baby him.

 

[seiowaisufan]

Bravo Prohm sitting him vs TCU, TX Tech and Okie St some message sent there...... (sarcasm)

What else was Prohm to do, he sat him out two games, against Okl. St and Tx Tech, then played him against Baylor. The Baylor game, he was just going through the motions, the national announcers were calling him out about his lack of hustle. So Prohm sat him out last night against TCU. What more would you have him do, I suppose he could kick McKay off the team?

 

[stender72865]

Maybe Prohm was simply resting him? Obviously they could beat TCU w/o him, but will certainly need him Monday night vs WV, and beyond....

Prohm has done nothing this year to draw any criticism. It seems like Prohm walked into a tough situation with such high expectations, and a group of players that didnt share his defensive philosophy.

Overall, Im okay with Prohm so far. When "Freds guys" are gone, I expect a different type of team.

 

[bravehawks1]

What else was Prohm to do, he sat him out two games, against Okl. St and Tx Tech, then played him against Baylor. The Baylor game, he was just going through the motions, the national announcers were calling him out about his lack of hustle. So Prohm sat him out last night against TCU. What more would you have him do, I suppose he could kick McKay off the team?

If Prohm had balls, he would sit him against a top 25 team, not the bottom feeders. If he is that bad, then you should him the door and the explanation is he was not meeting the team expectations. Picking those games you think you can win without him is shallow attempt to show off your power

 

[like-woahh]

My only question is why the shit is this thread created on a Hawkeye message board.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

If Prohm had balls, he would sit him against a top 25 team, not the bottom feeders. If he is that bad, then you should him the door and the explanation is he was not meeting the team expectations. Picking those games you think you can win without him is shallow attempt to show off your power

Bingo.

 

[seiowaisufan]

If Prohm had balls, he would sit him against a top 25 team, not the bottom feeders. If he is that bad, then you should him the door and the explanation is he was not meeting the team expectations. Picking those games you think you can win without him is shallow attempt to show off your power

So McKay misses practice or refuses to practice and Prohm is suppose to not discipline him for the next games but wait four games until they play a ranked team? That is setting the bar kind of high there, is it not? Originally McKay tweeted it was a one game suspension, a second game was added. Without McKay they lost at Tech, he played him but did not start him against Baylor, McKay was not doing anything in the game, last night he dressed but did not play him. I would say Prohm is doing his job to discipline McKay. He has now suspended him for two games, played him and did not like the players effort on the third game, and did not play him again last night. I get the hate for ISU, but lets get real here.

 

[QChawks]

My only question is why the shit is this thread created on a Hawkeye message board.

This.

Take this reality show shit somewhere else

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

So McKay misses practice or refuses to practice and Prohm is suppose to not discipline him for the next games but wait until they play a ranked team? That is setting the bar kind of high there, is it not? Originally McKay tweeted it was a one game suspension, a second game was added. Without McKay they lost at Tech, he played him but did not start him against Baylor, McKay was not doing anything in the game, last night he dressed but did not play him. I would say Prohm is doing his job to discipline McKay. He has now suspended him for two games, played him and did not like the players effort on the third game, and did not play him again last night. I get the hate for ISU, but lets get real here.

So just a coincidence who they were playing? Got it LOL.

 

[seiowaisufan]

So just a coincidence who they were playing? Got it LOL.

If you want to think that, but that is the schedule they have. Do not try to make it into something its not. There have been coaches at both schools that would have played McKay and not suspended him at all. Give Prohm some credit here, he is trying to look down the road not just the next few games.

 

[bravehawks1]

If you want to think that, but that is the schedule they have. Do not try to make it into something its not. There have been coaches at both schools that would have played McKay and not suspended him at all. Give Prohm some credit here, he is trying to look down the road not just the next few games.

Right, Prohm is looking down the road and sees Baylor coming so he suspends him but then plays around when playing Baylor and the doesn't play him against a bottom feeder. I guarantee he plays against Wv and Kansas because Prohm "looked down the road". Prohm is punishing the rest of the team by playing this game of chicken with McKay and making statements of "we need this guy" to get in McKays head.

 

[IamHawkeye]

No one thought to ask him why he just decided not to play his best player? I mean, clearly he has hatred for the guy.

I would imagine he was asked, sounds like it from one article I read. But "best player?"

 

[Kurt Warner]

No way best player, probably third, fourth best maybe.

 

[seiowaisufan]

Right, Prohm is looking down the road and sees Baylor coming so he suspends him but then plays around when playing Baylor and the doesn't play him against a bottom feeder. I guarantee he plays against Wv and Kansas because Prohm "looked down the road". Prohm is punishing the rest of the team by playing this game of chicken with McKay and making statements of "we need this guy" to get in McKays head.

Prohm suspended him for two games, the next two games on the schedule after he did not practice. Was he suppose to let him play those two games and then suspend him? McKay sat two games, and then he played but did not start against Baylor. It was the only game in his career that he did not score, and had only three rebounds. The announces were talking about how poorly he was playing, so he did not play him against TCU. McKay was eligible to play last night and did not, and yes he will mostly likely play Tuesday against W. Virginia, how long should Prohm hold him out? It not like Prohm waited a game or two and then suspended him, he did it the for the next games after the incident. Sorry for Iowa fans it was not against Kansas, so you could complain about that. Give the man a little credit, like I said before, both schools have had past coaches that would have played McKay under the excuse of " it is being handled internally, or he is not in good standing"

Do you think ISU is a better team without McKay, I don't and no one else does either. So Prohm is trying to motivate McKay, that is the job of the coach. If this was not ISU, no one on here would have a problem with a coach suspending a player. Hell, you would all be saying, that is the way to handle the situation and praising Prohm.

 

[dogs rule]

Maybe he did not play because his replacement, Burton, had 23 points, 14 rebounds and 3 sport center worthy dunks.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

My only question is why the shit is this thread created on a Hawkeye message board.

Exactly. Moderators should instantly move these to Off Topic

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Good news he is playing tonight vs WVU, LOL.

 

[Curt Furence]

No one thought to ask him why he just decided not to play his 4th best player? I mean, clearly he has hatred for the guy.

FIFY

And they did ask him over and over and Prohm said it was his decision and that he was able to play but he chose not to play McKay. Its not like he lit the world on fire against Baylor. Obviously Prohm thinks that the team is better off with him not playing right now and that takes some balls to do.

 

[CyCity]

If Prohm had balls, he would sit him against a top 25 team, not the bottom feeders. If he is that bad, then you should him the door and the explanation is he was not meeting the team expectations. Picking those games you think you can win without him is shallow attempt to show off your power

He didn't play him against Texas Tech who is a tournament team. I do think if it was a good team Saturday he would have played him though.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

He didn't play him against Texas Tech who is a tournament team. I do think if it was a good team Saturday he would have played him though.

Ahh, refreshing you admit this. It is quite obvious what is going on here.

 

[seiowaisufan]

Ahh, refreshing you admit this. It is quite obvious what is going on here.

If you mean that Prohm is trying to motivate McKay and get a better effort, yes, that is very obvious. Do you think Prohm is willing to lose games to get back at McKay? How many games should McKay have sat out? He has not played 3 out of the last 4 games, and McKay not playing against Tech, cost them a win. If you were Prohm, how many games would you have sat McKay out? One, two, the rest of the season or what? Take off your black and gold glasses, how long would the Iowa coach staff set out a player at Iowa for doing this? I would guess they would do the same thing Prohm has done.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

If you mean that Prohm is trying to motivate McKay and get a better effort, yes, that is very obvious. Do you think Prohm is willing to lose games to get back at McKay? How many games should McKay have sat out? He has not played 3 out of the last 4 games, and McKay not playing against Tech, cost them a win. If you were Prohm, how many games would you have sat McKay out? One, two, the rest of the season or what? Take off your black and gold glasses, how long would the Iowa coach staff set out a player at Iowa for doing this? I would guess they would do the same thing Prohm has done.

Even your own fan admits he would of played if you played a good team this past weekend. Stop trying to defend this comical handlign of another headcase transfer.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

If Prohm had balls, he would sit him against a top 25 team, not the bottom feeders. If he is that bad, then you should him the door and the explanation is he was not meeting the team expectations. Picking those games you think you can win without him is shallow attempt to show off your power

As thin as ISU is, they can't afford to sit guys regardless of who they play. I don't see any guaranteed wins remaining on their schedule, with or without McKay. Prohm should sit him when necessary, based on his actions. I don't see the rationale behind waiting until a top ranked team shows up on the schedule.

But I'll admit it the timing seems a bit odd.

 

[seiowaisufan]

Even your own fan admits he would of played if you played a good team this past weekend. Stop trying to defend this comical handlign of another headcase transfer.

Show me where I am defending McKay, I am not, I am just saying that Prohm made the right call and the correct amounts of games. Does not matter if he is a transfer or not, he was going through the motions, and sat the last game. Tonight, if Burton continues what he did Saturday night, McKay will not play a ton of minutes. Does that make Prohm's choice of not playing him wrong? I care less about who is playing, and more about ISU winning games. McKay played the four last year, Houge, was the five position, if you have watched any games with ISU this year, you will see that McKay really struggles with the bigger bodies at the center position, and I am sure he is frustrated. After saying that, he needs to suck it up and play better, and if he can not do that, then he needs to rot on the bench.

 

[seiowaisufan]

As thin as ISU is, they can't afford to sit guys regardless of who they play. I don't see any guaranteed wins remaining on their schedule, with or without McKay. Prohm should sit him when necessary, based on his actions. I don't see the rationale behind waiting until a top ranked team shows up on the schedule.

But I'll admit it the timing seems a bit odd.

Again why is the timing odd? He refused to practice and the coach suspended him for the next game, then added another game to that. Should Prohm of played him and then let him sit out against W. Virginia four games later?

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Again why is the timing odd? He refused to practice and the coach suspended him for the next game, then added another game to that. Should Prohm of played him and then let him sit out against W. Virginia four games later?

I basically made the same argument in my post. The timing SEEMS odd based on who's in front of them on the schedule, but as stated above, he deserves to be disciplined when infractions occur, not predicated by the schedule.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Summary: McKay is an entittled cry baby transfer. His mother, Fred Hoiberg left who probably let him get away with a lot to keep him happy like the other transfers it seems. Now Prohm is actually asking minimum standards and since he is not following thru with them he is being suspended not played. Now, the fact ISU has zero depth he can only enforce this when the lower tier of the BIG 12 is the opponent. So not really looking good with the 1 game here 1 game there ok your in type of thing. Especially when the opponent is looked at.

 

[Herkster5]

Rumor is that he didn't play because he skipped classes on Friday, which seems to be understandable. Skip classes, don't play in the next game.

 

[iowahawkeyes1982]

My only question is why the shit is this thread created on a Hawkeye message board.

Sadly it's the same reason why the football board is full of Nebraska topics.

 

[CyCity]

I don't know how you could blame Prohm for the timing of the suspension. He skipped classes and had to miss a game. Sure it probably wouldn't have happened if Kansas was in town but it's still better than nothing.

 

[seiowaisufan]

Summary: McKay is an entittled cry baby transfer. His mother, Fred Hoiberg left who probably let him get away with a lot to keep him happy like the other transfers it seems. Now Prohm is actually asking minimum standards and since he is not following thru with them he is being suspended not played. Now, the fact ISU has zero depth he can only enforce this when the lower tier of the BIG 12 is the opponent. So not really looking good with the 1 game here 1 game there ok your in type of thing. Especially when the opponent is looked at.

In summary, this is your chance to take a shot at ISU and by god, You are going to do it. If that means making stuff up and half truths, so be it. Again what does McKay being a transfer have anything to do with it? Unless you are trying to draw the picture of Hoiberg taking outcasts and thugs," code name black players", to win. What would Fran do, under the same situation? Noticed you have avoided answering that.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

In summary, this is my chance to take a shot at ISU and by god, I am going to do it. If that means making stuff up and half truths, so be it. Again what does McKay being a transfer have anything to do with it? Unless you are trying to draw the picture of Hoiberg taking outcasts and thugs," code name black players", to win. What would Fran do, under the same situation? Noticed you have avoided answering that.

We don't even know what is goign on there since no one answers questions. Nothing to do with color you dipsh$t! Troubled kid at prior school, you have had quite of few of those given a chance by Saint Fred LOL. Yes, just a COMPLETE coincidence you just happened to play TX Tech, and this was the Tech that hadn't started getting hot yet, TCU and Ok St, wow what a great job showing that guy whose boss. If you had more depth he would be booted off of team. It is half ass attempt at showing him whose boss but knowing he is still needed for any prayer to do anything in March. Way to go!

 

[iahawkeyes17]

In summary, this is your chance to take a shot at ISU and by god, You are going to do it. If that means making stuff up and half truths, so be it. Again what does McKay being a transfer have anything to do with it? Unless you are trying to draw the picture of Hoiberg taking outcasts and thugs," code name black players", to win. What would Fran do, under the same situation? Noticed you have avoided answering that.

And in summary I need to constantly come over to an IOWA board and respond to every thing negative ISU and reply to every comment....If you don't like hearing all the negative ISU stuff here's a solution. Don't read post on an Iowa board.

 

[CyCity]

We don't even know what is goign on there since no one answers questions. Nothing to do with color you dipsh$t! Troubled kid at prior school, you have had quite of few of those given a chance by Saint Fred LOL. Yes, just a COMPLETE coincidence you just happened to play TX Tech, and this was the Tech that hadn't started getting hot yet, TCU and Ok St, wow what a great job showing that guy whose boss. If you had more depth he would be booted off of team. It is half ass attempt at showing him whose boss but knowing he is still needed for any prayer to do anything in March. Way to go!

Was it a coincidence how Fran chose to suspend Jok for getting an OWI? Nobody knows what happened behind the scenes. You can show someone who's boss without suspended them too

 

[bravehawks1]

In summary, this is your chance to take a shot at ISU and by god, You are going to do it. If that means making stuff up and half truths, so be it. Again what does McKay being a transfer have anything to do with it? Unless you are trying to draw the picture of Hoiberg taking outcasts and thugs," code name black players", to win. What would Fran do, under the same situation? Noticed you have avoided answering that.

To the best of our knowledge, Iowa players are not skipping classes, being a jerk, swearing at coaches or whatever else may be going on with McKay so there is no answer required. However, if I had my hunches, he would implement the discipline based upon the team and school rules.

 

[seiowaisufan]

To the best of our knowledge, Iowa players are not skipping classes, being a jerk, swearing at coaches or whatever else may be going on with McKay so there is no answer required. However, if I had my hunches, he would implement the discipline based upon the team and school rules.

Which is what Prohm did and more, so why do you think there is something else there?