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Measles Outbreak/epidemic…

IIRC, this Mennonite area outbreak goes right along with the conservative Jewish outbreak a few years ago. An enclave of same peoples who do not vaccinate and then someone gets it and it just infects them all.

Roll the dice bady, sad to hear that a young person had to die needlessly. And I have never understood the religious reasons to deny science based on what, what exactly???
 
You’re blaming the measles on conservatives? 🤣🤣
I'd blame anyone who contracts measles because they feared the MMR vaccine. Especially considering the measles vaccine is highly effective. A single dose of the MMR vax is about 93% effective at preventing measles, while two doses increase protection to 97% or more.

The vaccine provides long-term immunity, and in most cases, immunity lasts a freak'n lifetime.
 
Isn’t there a VACCINE (highly effective/ safe) that prevents measles….100%?
Why don’t we mandate its use?

Or is that more the “parental freeDUMB movement” that is invading MAGA America?

Kids dying of measles… that is so 19th century…
Were the millions of unvetted illegals who invaded our country mandated to take the MMR vaccine?
 
Were the millions of unvetted illegals who invaded our country mandated to take the MMR vaccine?
So they told the Americans not to get the MMR vax? Is that your angle?

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This shit is getting out of hand. We are talking about diseases that were virtually eradicated. Dipshits that don't know anything are convincing foiks not to vaccinate.
If a disease is virtually eradicated why would not being vaccinated against it be an issue? In a room of 100 people, 91 of them are vaccinated, 9 are not (the CDC says we are 90.8% MMR vaccinated), no one in the room has the measles. why would any of the 100 people be in danger or shit be getting out of hand?

What's more likely? The measles virus just popped back up organically in a country that's 91% vaccinated against it...

OR

Someone from somewhere else re-introduced the virus back into a population that had all but eradicated it?

How might we stop such outbreaks from occurring if 91% vaccination rate isn't enough?
 
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Isn’t there a VACCINE (highly effective/ safe) that prevents measles….100%?
Why don’t we mandate its use?

Or is that more the “parental freeDUMB movement” that is invading MAGA America?

Kids dying of measles… that is so 19th century…
BTW the anti-vaxx movement was more of a natural healing/earthy thing, not MAGA and really not even partisan. MAGA just got pissed over COVID when the vaccine started being required and people punished for not doing it.
 
If a disease is virtually eradicated why would not being vaccinated against it be an issue? In a room of 100 people, 91 of them are vaccinated, 9 are not (the CDC says we are 90.8% MMR vaccinated), no one in the room has the measles. why would any of the 100 people be in danger or shit be getting out of hand?

What's more likely? The measles virus just popped back up organically in a country that's 91% vaccinated against it...

OR

Someone from somewhere else re-introduced the virus back into a population that had all but eradicated it?

How might we stop such outbreaks from occurring if 91% vaccination rate isn't enough?
Measles is one of the most contagious viruses on earth. If you put one infected person in a room with 10 non immunized people the expectation is that 9 of the 10 would be infected.

In your scenario no one would be at risk if no one has measles but if one person had measles you would expect 7-8 of the non immunized to be infected. Which is why you need higher vaccination rates for herd immunity. For measles you need 95% vaccination rate. For other viruses you can achieve herd immunity with lower rates of vaccination.
 
Measles is one of the most contagious viruses on earth. If you put one infected person in a room with 10 non immunized people the expectation is that 9 of the 10 would be infected.

In your scenario no one would be at risk if no one has measles but if one person had measles you would expect 7-8 of the non immunized to be infected. Which is why you need higher vaccination rates for herd immunity. For measles you need 95% vaccination rate. For other viruses you can achieve herd immunity with lower rates of vaccination.
Prior to this outbreak, this is where we were at... 9 out of 10 people vaccinated for MMR, and the disease was basically eradicated from our first world society even the 9 out of 100 were relatively safe from infection. We could put 70K people in one stadium 6-7 times a year for the last 100 years and the numbers say as many as 7,000 of them might not be vaccinated and we haven't had a problem for the last what 40+ years? And this goes on in stadiums across the country 4-5-6 months out of the year every year.

This just doesn't pass the smell test.
 
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No…they told the immigrants not to get it. Hmm…that’s an odd mixed message, no?
Let me ask it this way. If you get the MMR and an illegal does not, who's contracting the measles? Or is your point, if you keep the illegals out, not one has to get the MMR and 'Merica is safe?
 
Let me ask it this way. If you get the MMR and an illegal does not, who's contracting the measles? Or is your point, if you keep the illegals out, not one has to get the MMR and 'Merica is safe?
It would be helpful to know case # one for the current outbreak. If (and there is no proof of this) it came from someone who came from another country, then it would help to have everyone who comes in (legally) get vaccinated for that before they come in.
 
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Let me ask it this way. If you get the MMR and an illegal does not, who's contracting the measles? Or is your point, if you keep the illegals out, not one has to get the MMR and 'Merica is safe?
Both seem to be true? If we don't re-introduce it back into society, it probably isn't coming back on its own. We've gone since at least the 80's (my lifetime) without a measles season or country-wide scares of the measles. I give all credit to the vaccine for doing its job on this front. Because we had 90+% vaccination rate for MMR we have been able to fill football/soccer stadiums domestically and globally for decades without major outbreaks.

What changed that the 9 out of 100 are no longer safe?
 
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It would be helpful to know case # one for the current outbreak. If (and there is no proof of this) it came from someone who came from another country, then it would help to have everyone who comes in (legally) get vaccinated for that before they come in.
I don't disagree, but I'm also of the mindset if parents would simply ensure their entire family receives the MMR vax, there isn't an issue. We're not some 3rd world country. The measles vax has been available since the 60s and the MMR since 1971. People are taking the COVID vax controversy and broad brushing fear porn over all vaccinations.
 
What changed that the 9 out of 100 are no longer safe?
I see two main factors at play: the initial small movement linking vaccines to autism, and the fear surrounding COVID vaccinations, which together fueled a broader distrust in vaccines. Now, large segments of the population are opting out of long-established vaccination programs. If this is truly a consequence of "open borders," then that’s all the more reason to protect yourself. After all, if people are willing to buy a gun for security, why not take advantage of a vaccine with over 60 years of proven effectiveness for added protection?
 
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I don't disagree, but I'm also of the mindset if parents would simply ensure their entire family receives the MMR vax, there isn't an issue. We're not some 3rd world country. The measles vax has been available since the 60s and the MMR since 1971. People are taking the COVID vax controversy and broad brushing fear porn over all vaccinations.
When they lie about safety and efficacy on one, it becomes too easy to question all the others. There's always been a small fraction of people who chose not to get vaccines, and those people were mostly protected by herd immunity. Which as I understand it, basically means a virus has a hard time spreading because an infected person would have to find and infect a non-vaccinated person and just coming into contact with them, even with something as transmissible as MMR, isn't a foregone conclusion that they will also get infected. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but it's a dumbed down version of how it works.
 
I don't disagree, but I'm also of the mindset if parents would simply ensure their entire family receives the MMR vax, there isn't an issue. We're not some 3rd world country. The measles vax has been available since the 60s and the MMR since 1971. People are taking the COVID vax controversy and broad brushing fear porn over all vaccinations.
Kind of like you people brushing fear porn over mild illnesses.
 
When they lie about safety and efficacy on one, it becomes too easy to question all the others.
So retroactive mistrust that is in direct opposition of 60 years of proven efficacy? That's not "easy to question", that's straight up ignorance.

There's always been a small fraction of people who chose not to get vaccines, and those people were mostly protected by herd immunity. Which as I understand it, basically means a virus has a hard time spreading because an infected person would have to find and infect a non-vaccinated person and just coming into contact with them, even with something as transmissible as MMR, isn't a foregone conclusion that they will also get infected. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but it's a dumbed down version of how it works.
That small faction is likely no longer "protected" in the manner for which you speak because conspiracy morons are surrounding them with their infected and ripe for infection bodies.
 
I see two main factors at play: the initial small movement linking vaccines to autism, and the fear surrounding COVID vaccinations, which together fueled a broader distrust in vaccines. Now, large segments of the population are opting out of long-established vaccination programs. If this is truly a consequence of "open borders," then that’s all the more reason to protect yourself. After all, if people are willing to buy a gun for security, why not take advantage of a vaccine with over 60 years of proven effectiveness for added protection?
Just to argue your point (even if I don't believe it) maybe those people chose not to vaccinate because they saw MMR like the black plague. I don't recall myself or anyone else I know getting vaccinated against the black plague yet none of us are getting it because we've moved beyond it. IF that's someone's reasoning, I can understand it, even if I'm not 100% on board with it.
 
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