Totally agree. Even though we knew that it had been mostly killed off...we still got our kids vaccinated and my wife and I got boosters years ago when we were told the original was not as good as they had hope. Just get the kids vaccinated. UGH!!
Measles Outbreak/epidemic…
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So, all the illegal immigrants who crossed under Trump and Obama were somehow vaccinated and disease-free, but only the ones under Biden are bringing in diseases? If that's the case, then as illegal crossings continue--because they always do--shouldn't we expect them to return to the same "disease-free" levels we saw from 2016-2020 now that Trump is back seated on the throne?
All sarcasm aside, my entire family is vaccinated and I have an arsenal of guns, so I'm protected from the disease and raping of the illegals, right?
Again, that begs the question, what changed? We've always had a small percentage of people who didn't vaccinate but we've been able to pack arenas in the 10's of thousands, and football stadiums with over 100,000 people for decades without incident.
Now all of a sudden we have an outbreak... what changed?
Man I actually forgot about monkeypox. It sure disappeared from the news cycle as soon as all those children and even pets (!) of gay couples started getting the disease...
With a reduction of illegal border crossings of over 90% since trump came back into office I'd say the problem should slightly improve as we deport the millions and millions of illegals that came in under biden.
I'm not sure your guns will protect you against disease tbh
IMO social media and the widespread dissemination of misinformation have fueled the rise of conspiracy theories. What I find interesting is how this skepticism has shifted over time. Remember back in the 80s & 90s, it was largely liberal Democrats (particularly those in the naturalist and holistic health movements) who were distrustful of vaccines, pharmaceuticals, and anything not deemed "natural." Concerns about autism, preservatives, and Big Pharma’s influence were primarily associated with left-leaning advocacy groups.
Fast forward to today, and it’s the far-right conspiracy theorists leading the way against vaxs.. The skepticism has morphed from concerns about toxins and "natural immunity" to fears of government control, deep-state agendas, and even population manipulation.
Back in the late 90s opposition to vaccines was significantly influenced by people like RFK Jr and groups focused on organic living (most leaned left). If you reacall, The 2015 Disneyland measles outbreak was mostly tied to wealthy, liberal areas where a lot of people were skeptical about vaccines. Then comes the COVID-19 pandemic and the big ole shift...vaccine skepticism shifted over to right-wing groups, fueled by social media echo chambers and distrust in government mandates. There's your change.
@JimStarr777 ☝️another example of "It's not me who's changed". Today's Republicans are not the conservatives I grew up with.
Big pharma and the institutions they fund greatly overplayed their hand during the pandemic and lied routinely. It shouldn't be surprising that people lost faith in these groups after all the misinformation they spread.
"You won't get/spread covid if you get these vaccines"
Big pharma is actually in the fraud business.
Even that statement gets convoluted. From what I understand, the vaccine was developed at "warp speed
" based on the original COVID variant, so at the time, it really was 97% effective. But as new variants spread and mutated, the vaccine became less effective against them. So, was it a lie, or did the situation just change?And despite them getting 100% immunity for vaccines and the injuries they may cause; they want to take 0% of the blame for anything.
If something is truly safe and effective, why do you need legal protections?
I'm going to let you in on a crazy concept:
When you let in millions of people from places that don't have healthcare, with zero iversight, you are going to find yourself fighting illnesses you don't usually fight.
When you let in millions of people from places that don't have healthcare, with zero iversight, you are going to find yourself fighting illnesses you don't usually fight.
The mutations didn't really start occurring until we started vaccinating. We had Covid-19 the original strain and then came the vaccine, and then boom all of a sudden we had all these variants pop up.Even that statement gets convoluted. From what I understand, the vaccine was developed at "warp speed
Weird timing for the two to not have some connection.
Mutations in COVID-19 were happening well before widespread vaccination. Viruses naturally mutate as they spread, and the emergence of variants wasn't caused by the vaccine. Vaccination can influence which variants spread, but the virus would mutate regardless of vaccination. The timing is more about widespread transmission than the vaccine itself.
You know if we keep this up, Joes Place will eventually show up and take over...tread lightly.
So what do the boosters actually do against these new variants?Even that statement gets convoluted. From what I understand, the vaccine was developed at "warp speed
There was a little more to cover there but good enough for government work.
This isn't entirely accurate. Measles outbreaks were common in the US in the 80s and 90s. They weren't huge but they did happen. In 1990 there were more almost 30,000 cases in the US. We had a larger recent outbreak than the current one in 2019 which was centered around orthodox Jews.
No clue... I stopped paying attention because I have zero comorbidities that make me susceptible to COVID complications or death. I’ve had COVID once, and it was milder than Flu B.
Conversely, my 75-year-old MIL gets the booster because she has every comorbidity, and COVID would likely be a fast track to the grave. She’s had COVID twice and breezed through it, so I assume there’s something in the vaccine that benefits her.
Can I use it as one of my 5 bullets. Oh grap, I'm not a govie any more. Never mind. Glad I took a half day PTO today to dick around with you deviants, though.
The difference? The media--every dagum form of it. Once they latch onto a topic, they amplify it, spreading fear for clicks and ratings. I believe Michael Moore pointed out in Bowling for Columbine that while violent crime had significantly decreased since the 60s, media reporting on crime had increased by 600%.
The result? Parents went from letting their kids roam freely when crime was actually higher to becoming helicopter parents when crime was lower...simply because the fear was being pushed for clicks $$$$.
It's no different with plane crashes and now measles.
I'm not too worried about Ken Jennings. The man has passion. I'll give him that. He loves him some big pharma.
Mutations in COVID-19 were happening well before widespread vaccination. Viruses naturally mutate as they spread, and the emergence of variants wasn't caused by the vaccine. Vaccination can influence which variants spread, but the virus would mutate regardless of vaccination. The timing is more about widespread transmission than the vaccine itself.
You know if we keep this up, Joes Place will eventually show up and take over...tread lightly.
Where did I say this might not be part of the problem?
The reports I have seen have not mentioned “illegals” but have mentioned “pockets of west Texas” where resident refusal of the vaccine was running 18-20% ….which I would assume to be based on school records. So, I base my statement more on available statistics as opposed to any made up unsubstantiated numbers speculation.
The virus mutated… and more kids were not protected. A perfect storm for a virus.
But MAGA chose an anti-vaxer to run the nation’s public health program…he is yours! Wear it with pride…..you own it!
I'll take the guy (who is weird) but knows he's a dude running HHS who is interested in having the debate about vaccines and maybe getting the federal government out of healthcare decisions over the dude who thinks he's a woman in charge who was part of an administration that illegally tried to force shots into everyone's arm via their private employer mandates.
That's where they lost me. I don't care how honorable their intentions were. When it comes to killing babies the left is ALL ABOUT bodily autonomy but when it comes time for vaccine mandates, you have your childhood vaccine schedule which are important but should still be up to the parents whether or not they want jab their kids. But the state makes that hard when your kids can't get into school without them.
Nope. Gave my kids ALL the vacxes. I'm not even a Republican. It's just that they decided to embrace the moderates/common sense while the Dems clinged to the left and the opposite of anything Trump says.
I live in a utopia of having a government that values efficiency and freedom and I don't have to agree with, or disagree with everything they do.
It's bliss.
Pretty much what America before Trump offered. Everyone had rights. Back in the good ol’ days.
Then Joey tried to force everyone to get experimented on. Other than that... good times.
Kudos to the state and their required vaccine mandates. It's proven extremely effective. If you don't want your kid vaccinated home school them or find a private school that is more interested in collecting your tuition than mandating vaccinations and public health.
public health.
Fortunately, Iowa hasn't embraced medical tyranny and vaccines are still optional.
No need to poison your kids in order to send them to school.
My point is, why are the immigrants not forced to take it if it’s so necessary…?
And saved thousands of lives and enabled America to start its recovery from the Trump recession of 2020….
Measles cases reported in New Jersey, Kentucky amid ongoing outbreak in Texas
More measles cases have been confirmed in New Jersey and Kentucky as health officials work to treat patients in an ongoing outbreak in Texas.
I am conflicted. I see the public good most vaccines do. I also see how tax payer funded schools should be held to standards created by those doing the funding. If there are requirements for the public service, well tell me the public or government institution that doesn’t have some requirements to qualify…
On the other hand, you sound like you’re completely fine denying a child an education because their parents didn’t want them to become an infant pin cushion for big pharma for a vaccine for an illness(es) that we had all but eradicated in the US.
If an unvaccinated kid is among 29 other vaccinated kids and a vaccinated teacher, they aren’t putting the vaccinated kids at any risk as long as of course the vaccines work.
But when that one kid becomes 3-4 kids out of 30 and multiplied by 7-12 grades…. Then you have a bigger problem… and that’s where we are in these affected areas right now.
Of course it matters. Unless you're telling me you're against LEGAL immigration now. Especailly considering legal immigrant children are generally required to have the same school vaccinations as American citizens. State laws determine school vaccination requirements, and these laws apply to all children, regardless of citizenship or immigration status.
Vaccines are like miracles.
The measles vaccine lasts for LIFE. Are you kidding me?! Incredible.
That's a great deal.
publichealth.jhu.edu
The measles vaccine lasts for LIFE. Are you kidding me?! Incredible.
That's a great deal.
What to Know About Measles and Vaccines | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Experts worry that misinformation and falling vaccination rates could cause measles outbreaks to become more common in the U.S.
The first major variant was delta which was first found in October 2020.
