Go to a game and ask a player or ten yourself. They’re very accessible.Nah, if i wanted to see that level of skill I would go to the local high school gym.
Does it bother the women in the league the fact that the only reason the league exists is because of men?
That must sting a little bit.
This may be one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this board, which is saying something.
Nah, if i wanted to see that level of skill I would go to the local high school gym.
Does it bother the women in the league the fact that the only reason the league exists is because of men?
That must sting a little bit.
Go to a game and ask a player or ten yourself. They’re very accessible.
I do, yes. You should go to a game. It’s a good product. You wouldn’t even have to tell anybody. You know, protect that fragile identity of yours.
How so?I would disagree. It's not a good product. It's actually a really bad product.
It is inferior basketball and that makes it a "bad product."How so?
Not necessarily that simple, KOK.It is inferior basketball and that makes it a "bad product."
I appreciate your sentiment and understand that you enjoy the WNBA. I find it to be an inferior level of basketball. In addition, I do not find the attitudes of the players to be worthy of my time. If you want to get paid then put fannies in the seats and viewers in front of their TV's, which is something that the WNBA is incapable of doing. The league would not exists without the NBA and the TV money. The TV ratings are horrendous. "Not necessarily that simple, KOK.
I've gone over this before in other WNBA-related threads. Copy/paste of one of my offerings:
As for the WNBA… I wish people were more accepting or enthusiastic or whatever. Full disclosure, I work for the WNBA (and G League). More full disclosure, my first organized basketball experience was practicing with the Bradley women's team as a 5th grader. So to say I have an ingrained respect for the women's game should be clear. Here's my argument for the WNBA: hate entitled, rich athletes? None of them in WNBA. Hate athletes who never cared about education? Very, very rare in the WNBA. I bet cumulative college GPA is 3.0 or so for the WNBA players. The women train just as hard, make all the same physical sacrifices (if not more) as the men—often with the men—for pennies on the dollar. The women, damn near all the pros, have no offseason, going straight from WNBA to their overseas paycheck. The women are appreciative of their ability to eek out a living doing what they love (and most of them are eeking out a living). They're unbelievably approachable, endearing. Do they soar above the rim? Nope. But go to a WNBA game and sit close to the floor. Watch. The skill level is wonderful. The passion is palpable. These women, who obviously aren't playing for fame or riches, must love the game. Why the hell else would they play? And they only get 30 games or so. Each one matters. We all agree that NBA season, baseball season, even football season is now too many games. Players don't play them all the same, and that is not good for the product. This isn't true of the WNBA. Oh, and you can take your family and still make your house payment. I love the WNBA, love it. But then I tend to love the underdog, gravitate to the underdog.
I don't mind someone having the opinion that WNBA is an inferior product to the NBA. Fine with that. But a bad product? Depends on what you want out of the product.
I love going to WNBA games. Fans are great, players are great, games are full of the same passion and intensity—often more so—than the men's games. Just less eyeballs on the game, which is part of why the passion and intensity are appreciation-worthy (in my opinion).
I don't expect everyone to like the WNBA, certainly not as I do, but I don't think it's fair to say "bad product"—especially given I doubt most with that type of opinion have actually given it a chance.
Go to a game. Very affordable, and easier to sit close. I hesitate to do this because it sounds demeaning to the WNBA, but their games are enjoyable for some of the same reasons that minor league baseball games are enjoyable.
Anyways, I wish people would simply open their mind to going to a game. It's a good product, especially in person. Maybe the best argument I can make in favor of the WNBA is that, given they're not getting rich or famous playing the game, they must be playing for the love of the game. And as someone with a deep, deep love affair with basketball, I am drawn to enjoy the game through them.
Good lord KOK!! Lot to unpack here.I appreciate your sentiment and understand that you enjoy the WNBA. I find it to be an inferior level of basketball. In addition, I do not find the attitudes of the players to be worthy of my time. If you want to get paid then put fannies in the seats and viewers in front of their TV's, which is something that the WNBA is incapable of doing. The league would not exists without the NBA and the TV money. The TV ratings are horrendous. "
"Ratings remain poor in comparison to NBA games. WNBA games averaged just 413,000 viewers, compared to 1.46 million viewers for NBA games. The 2009 regular season on ESPN2 (13 telecasts) concluded with an average of 269,000 viewers, up 8% vs. 2008 season (248,000 viewers)."
Players whining about not being paid commensurate with the men, lackluster level of play, and the less than remarkable balance suggests a poor product. The lack of viewership and attendance supports this.
It is inferior basketball and that makes it a "bad product."
How so?
Joked is a fantastic professional player, she was a very good college player.Care to elaborate? Please bless us with your elite analysis.
Interesting. People buy the WNBA, and are happy with it, too.People buy good
Products. The basketball is worse than any men’s college team. If u have an inferior product, which women’s basketball is not even close to men’s basketball, it’s a bad product
Joked is a fantastic professional player, she was a very good college player.
I'm lost as to how you think this is even an apt comparison.
So is college MBB to the NBA... but here we are.
If you are saying MBB is inferior to the NBA, I disagree.
Well you'd be wrong then.
LOL your opinion is the only one that means anything.
I enjoy college more than the NBA. The NBA consists of the greatest collection of players in the world.You said MBB is not inferior to the NBA, when it is. You just prefer watching college bball more than the NBA (no clue why). Don't confuse the two.
LOL your opinion is the only one that means anything.
So you think the quality of play in the NBA is worse than college?
I do too, so much so that I've watched about 12 minutes of the NBA Playoffs this year and used to have a time where I watched a good deal of it, early rounds included.I enjoy college more than the NBA. The NBA consists of the greatest collection of players in the world.
Imo, at the college level most players perform for the name on the front of the jersey. I am not saying that does not happen at the NBA level, but I believe is happens much more frequently at the collegiate level.I do too, so much so that I've watched about 12 minutes of the NBA Playoffs this year and used to have a time where I watched a good deal of it, early rounds included.
Now it's all about SuperMax contracts, players whining about money constantly, don't know the players (little to no College, lots of overseas guys, etc.), so the interest isn't there for me. Duck and Chuck style of play, etc.
When you can follow the good to great players thru the NCAA Tournament for a few years and get a bit of history, it's far more interesting to see how that plays out over time. They've pretty much lost me as a fan, but whatever.
It’s completely inferior to the NBA. I prefer CBB to NBA but the product isn’t nearly as good.If you are saying MBB is inferior to the NBA, I disagree.
It’s completely inferior to the NBA. I prefer CBB to NBA but the product isn’t nearly as good.
Not necessarily that simple, KOK.
I've gone over this before in other WNBA-related threads. Copy/paste of one of my offerings:
As for the WNBA… I wish people were more accepting or enthusiastic or whatever. Full disclosure, I work for the WNBA (and G League). More full disclosure, my first organized basketball experience was practicing with the Bradley women's team as a 5th grader. So to say I have an ingrained respect for the women's game should be clear. Here's my argument for the WNBA: hate entitled, rich athletes? None of them in WNBA. Hate athletes who never cared about education? Very, very rare in the WNBA. I bet cumulative college GPA is 3.0 or so for the WNBA players. The women train just as hard, make all the same physical sacrifices (if not more) as the men—often with the men—for pennies on the dollar. The women, damn near all the pros, have no offseason, going straight from WNBA to their overseas paycheck. The women are appreciative of their ability to eek out a living doing what they love (and most of them are eeking out a living). They're unbelievably approachable, endearing. Do they soar above the rim? Nope. But go to a WNBA game and sit close to the floor. Watch. The skill level is wonderful. The passion is palpable. These women, who obviously aren't playing for fame or riches, must love the game. Why the hell else would they play? And they only get 30 games or so. Each one matters. We all agree that NBA season, baseball season, even football season is now too many games. Players don't play them all the same, and that is not good for the product. This isn't true of the WNBA. Oh, and you can take your family and still make your house payment. I love the WNBA, love it. But then I tend to love the underdog, gravitate to the underdog.
I don't mind someone having the opinion that WNBA is an inferior product to the NBA. Fine with that. But a bad product? Depends on what you want out of the product.
I love going to WNBA games. Fans are great, players are great, games are full of the same passion and intensity—often more so—than the men's games. Just less eyeballs on the game, which is part of why the passion and intensity are appreciation-worthy (in my opinion).
I don't expect everyone to like the WNBA, certainly not as I do, but I don't think it's fair to say "bad product"—especially given I doubt most with that type of opinion have actually given it a chance.
Go to a game. Very affordable, and easier to sit close. I hesitate to do this because it sounds demeaning to the WNBA, but their games are enjoyable for some of the same reasons that minor league baseball games are enjoyable.
Anyways, I wish people would simply open their mind to going to a game. It's a good product, especially in person. Maybe the best argument I can make in favor of the WNBA is that, given they're not getting rich or famous playing the game, they must be playing for the love of the game. And as someone with a deep, deep love affair with basketball, I am drawn to enjoy the game through them.
Yep.I agree with you. NCAA, high School and AAU are inferior to the NBA but are fun to watch.
Seems like the NBA has become a 3 point shooting contest.It’s completely inferior to the NBA. I prefer CBB to NBA but the product isn’t nearly as good.
Well Megan is on the bench but not in uniform. I was actually going to watch until I saw that
The NBA is all 3 point shots and dunks. If you think that type of basketball is superior to playing defense, passing, setting up plays, and fundamentally sound basketball of the women’s game.....then good for you.It is inferior basketball and that makes it a "bad product."
The NBA is all 3 point shots and dunks. If you think that type of basketball is superior to playing defense, passing, setting up plays, and fundamentally sound basketball of the women’s game.....then good for you.
The NBA is a basketball “show”, akin to the Harlem Globetrotters. The WNBA is basketball games.