Michigan and the Harbaugh Effect

[studed]

Let's look at what is real. OSU is on top of the world. Killing it in recruiting. With the top coach in all of college FB. UM just signed JH, and you hear all the hype, yet go look at UMs recruiting class and tell me where the excitement is. UM hasn't been relevant in a decade. Don't kid yourselves UM fans, the odds are greatly against you. Hold the rope tho!

? michigan currently has a top 10 class

 

[blockm2]

Let's look at what is real. OSU is on top of the world. Killing it in recruiting. With the top coach in all of college FB. UM just signed JH, and you hear all the hype, yet go look at UMs recruiting class and tell me where the excitement is. UM hasn't been relevant in a decade. Don't kid yourselves UM fans, the odds are greatly against you. Hold the rope tho!

What odds are against Michigan? Nobody is suggesting they are going to win the Big Ten this year. They aren't. It's a process. The hope/expectation is that they will get there under Harbaugh and based on his track record at San Diego, Stanford, and San Francisco, it's a reasonable expectation. He's exceeded expectations at every job he's had.

 

[David1979]

I'd say when Jim Harbaugh took 41 point underdog Stanford and defeated #1 USC in 2007, he "unseated" Pete Carroll. He had a bad team but he got a great win over them. He lost to them in 2008 and then hung 55 points on them in a blowout in 2009. He beat USC again in 2010 when they went 12-1 and won the Orange Bowl.

So when Harbaugh took over 1-11 Stanford and USC was at the absolute peak of all CFB, he went 3-1 against them in his four years including scoring the most points USC had ever allowed in a game and this was with him and Pete Carroll having some public war of words and getting USC's full attention.

Taking that into consideration, when somebody says that OSU is simply on another level and Harbaugh has no chance against them, let's just say he's faced longer odds before and overcome them.

So if a team pulls off a big upset then they are unseating them? doesn't make any sense. Did Appalachian State 'unseat' Michigan. Carrol was gone the last time they played USC and by that time Oregon was the power in the league and they didn't 'unseat' them either. So basically what you are saying is that Harbaugh will upset OSU but he will never win the conference just like at Stanford under Harbaugh? Well then yeah i think that too.

 

[B1G]

? michigan currently has a top 10 class

Because they have more recruits than everyone in front of them except Miami. And I didn't say UM has a bad class. They always get decent classes but they aint overtaking OSU nor likely MSU. Where's the excitement over Harbaugh? it aint shown up yet.

 

[B1G]

What odds are against Michigan? Nobody is suggesting they are going to win the Big Ten this year. They aren't. It's a process. The hope/expectation is that they will get there under Harbaugh and based on his track record at San Diego, Stanford, and San Francisco, it's a reasonable expectation. He's exceeded expectations at every job he's had.

Getting UM back to UM standards. B1G champions etc. Let's hear your prediction for how long it will take him to win one. I'm saying he may never win one. If he don't win and win soon I'd say it's likely. OSU and PSU have better recruiting home bases. The recruits coming in now don't likely remember UM being relevant. Dantonio has built a player. On and on. The odds are against you.

I could be wrong of course. Doesn't matter to me what UM does. Just MHO.

 

[blockm2]

Getting UM back to UM standards. B1G champions etc. Let's hear your prediction for how long it will take him to win one. I'm saying he may never win one. If he don't win and win soon I'd say it's likely. OSU and PSU have better recruiting home bases. The recruits coming in now don't likely remember UM being relevant. Dantonio has built a player. On and on. The odds are against you.

I could be wrong of course. Doesn't matter to me what UM does. Just MHO.

Huh? The odds are against any team winning a conference championship in a 14 team conference. And the Big Ten is shaping up to be loaded for the forseeable future. We will see top 5 teams nationally not winning the conference.

OSU is a sizeable favorite this year. Every year after that I wouldn't peg any school at > 30% chance. So you're asking me a sort of unlikely event is going to happen? I have no idea. I'd be kinda surprised if Harbaugh is at Michigan for at least 5 years if he didn't win a conference title. I wouldn't be surprised if he won one as soon as year 2 or 3. But strange things can happen so you never know.

 

[blockm2]

So if a team pulls off a big upset then they are unseating them? doesn't make any sense. Did Appalachian State 'unseat' Michigan. Carrol was gone the last time they played USC and by that time Oregon was the power in the league and they didn't 'unseat' them either. So basically what you are saying is that Harbaugh will upset OSU but he will never win the conference just like at Stanford under Harbaugh? Well then yeah i think that too.

No. USC was on top of the Pac Ten and top of the CFB world. Harbaugh pulled off a massive upset in year 1 and took 3/4 from USC. And this is with a Stanford program that was 1-11 when he got there.

Did Appalachian State "unseat" Michigan? Of course not. They didn't beat Michigan 3 times in 4 years.


If you'd care to play with the definitions of words all day, I give up. If you want to talk football, I'm game. Harbaugh is a hell of a coach and anybody that thinks he has no chance of overtaking Ohio State and winning the conference at Michigan is just being silly.