Michigan has now flipped 3 Iowa commits in the last 5 seasons

[Franisdaman]

Michigan has now flipped 3 Iowa commits in the last 5 seasons:

* 2013 safely Delano Hill (4 star)
* 2015 RB Karan Higdon (4 star)
* 2018 athlete Ben VanSumeren (3 star)

Michigan has also lost both games those teams have played in that same time frame, as well as 5 of the last 6.

Screw Blue! I wish Harbaugh nothing but a bunch of losses and the karma that he deserves in the future.

 

[tony0051]

Didnt flip hankins or jackson. OSU didnt flip johnson. Recruiting is tough against those guys.

 

[backinblack23]

And yet we still beat them. Harbaugh better start to get the B1G cg or he's going to poaching recruits at a new school. Hard to go against the kid considering he's from Michigan and probably a life long fan. Best of luck to him except when he plays us.

 

[scotthawk1964]

I would say Harbaugh has some big problems. I mean as much as our fan base criticizes our recruiting, and the fact that Harbaugh is poaching some of our recruits says a lot. I mean how does he expect to compete with Penn State and Ohio State when they're getting 4 and 5 Star recruits and he's poaching Iowa's 3 star recruits. Lol

 

[Qued18]

Pulled Oliver Martin out of IC also. Let's keep kicking Block M's ass on the field where it matters

 

[Franisdaman]

And yet we still beat them. Harbaugh better start to get the B1G cg or he's going to poaching recruits at a new school. Hard to go against the kid considering he's from Michigan and probably a life long fan. Best of luck to him except when he plays us.

I am surprised Jim is settling on our lowly 3 star guys

 

[Muskie5]

That's technically 6 years, but I get your point.
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018

 

[Franisdaman]

I would say Harbaugh has some big problems. I mean as much as our fan base criticizes our recruiting, and the fact that Harbaugh is poaching some of our recruits says a lot. I mean how does he expect to compete with Penn State and Ohio State when they're getting 4 and 5 Star recruits and he's poaching Iowa's 3 star recruits. Lol

Yeah, I definitely think it's a red flag; Harbaugh is striking out on his key targets and then he has to look at Iowa's commits?

 

[Birdmanil]

But it kind of makes sense... if you're going to offer any 3 star may as well be one committed to a school with a track record of finding 3 and 2 stars and turning them into pros, that 3 star may be another diamond amongst 4 and 5 stars

 

[Zildjian6868]

Michigan needs to keep it up. We've owned them the last couple years. They must be taking all of our bad ones

 

[And1Hawk]

Well it’s kind of funny that when he poaches guys like Higdon they turn out to be some of the better players at Michigan. Higdon was arguably their best RB in a stable of blue chippers. We must do something right in player evaluation.

 

[polecat]

I would say Harbaugh has some big problems. I mean as much as our fan base criticizes our recruiting, and the fact that Harbaugh is poaching some of our recruits says a lot. I mean how does he expect to compete with Penn State and Ohio State when they're getting 4 and 5 Star recruits and he's poaching Iowa's 3 star recruits. Lol

Yeah, PSU and OSU have no 3 Stars at all.

 

[scotthawk1964]

Yeah, PSU and OSU have no 3 Stars at all.

Yeah Ohio State taking a 3-star player is the equivalent of Iowa taking someone who's not rated.

 

[HawCory]

Michigan has now flipped 3 Iowa commits in the last 5 seasons:

* 2013 safely Delano Hill (4 star)
* 2015 RB Karan Higdon (4 star)
* 2018 athlete Ben VanSumeren (3 star)

Michigan has also lost both games those teams have played in that same time frame, as well as 5 of the last 6.

Screw Blue! I wish Harbaugh nothing but a bunch of losses and the karma that he deserves in the future.

Didn't the Delano Hill scholly opening up allow us to poach Desmond King? I could be wrong.

 

[cmhawks99]

Well it’s kind of funny that when he poaches guys like Higdon they turn out to be some of the better players at Michigan. Higdon was arguably their best RB in a stable of blue chippers. We must do something right in player evaluation.

I get your point but with all due respect the sheer number of two and three star kids we have sent to the NFL already kind of had me convinced of that!!

 

[Stormn Norman]

Didn't the Delano Hill scholly opening up allow us to poach Desmond King? I could be wrong.

Hey now! At least we didn’t poach another big ten school for him! Michigan poaching seems slimmer, they poach us like we poach MAC schools. But in our case the poachee is actually gonna play big ten football when we poach. I wish one day we could jump in last minute on a michigan recruit and flip him! Lol I’m petty like that!

 

[hexumhawk]

Didnt flip hankins or jackson. OSU didnt flip johnson. Recruiting is tough against those guys.

This.

They have wanted some of ours and have been shut down. It sucks sometimes but that is recruiting. Especially hard when the kid grew up in Michigan and was a M fan.

 

[hawkfeever]

They just want the guys that can hang over 50 on the Bucks! Khaki pants knows! Emulate greatness. Steal their recruits!

 

[hawkfeever]

And all of this after we gifted Khaki pants Rudock! The gratitude of some people.

 

[brokenarrow73]

Michigan has now flipped 3 Iowa commits in the last 5 seasons:

* 2013 safely Delano Hill (4 star)
* 2015 RB Karan Higdon (4 star)
* 2018 athlete Ben VanSumeren (3 star)

Michigan has also lost both games those teams have played in that same time frame, as well as 5 of the last 6.

Screw Blue! I wish Harbaugh nothing but a bunch of losses and the karma that he deserves in the future.

in The Last 5 Years Michigan is only put 12 players in the NFL. Wisconsin's number one Ohio State's number to and Iowa number 3 so suck on that Harbaugh

 

[BioHawk]

But it kind of makes sense... if you're going to offer any 3 star may as well be one committed to a school with a track record of finding 3 and 2 stars and turning them into pros, that 3 star may be another diamond amongst 4 and 5 stars

The thing is, it almost always requires playing time for those players to develop into NFL talent (Josh Jackson being a notable exception). Michigan is hurting in areas but defense is not one of them.

 

[TriCityHawk]

Mich knows that if they want one of our players that they think they would have a shot at flipping, just wait till a week or less and have them visit. They know that we will tell them they are not committed and we pull their scholarship so they have one place to go and that's Mich. Good strategy

 

[ChiDoc]

in The Last 5 Years Michigan is only put 12 players in the NFL. Wisconsin's number one Ohio State's number to and Iowa number 3 so suck on that Harbaugh

LOL, where are you getting this ridiculous info from? The Badgers have only had 15 players drafted in the last 5 years, while the Buckeyes have had 33 players drafted. Undrafted free agents don't come anywhere close to making up that gap. Michigan has 22 picks the last 5 years, while Iowa only has 12. If you're going to just completely make stories up, try to make them at least semi-believable (and coherent).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ohio_State_Buckeyes_in_the_NFL_Draft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wisconsin_Badgers_in_the_NFL_Draft

http://www.mgoblue.com/news/2008/7/22/nfl_draft_history.aspx

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=I&collegeName=Iowa&abbrFlag=0&type=school

 

[Harbinger273]

They just want the guys that can hang over 50 on the Bucks! Khaki pants knows! Emulate greatness. Steal their recruits!

Yep imitation is the highest form of flattery. So they say.

 

[jimjim47]

I would say Harbaugh has some big problems. I mean as much as our fan base criticizes our recruiting, and the fact that Harbaugh is poaching some of our recruits says a lot. I mean how does he expect to compete with Penn State and Ohio State when they're getting 4 and 5 Star recruits and he's poaching Iowa's 3 star recruits. Lol

LOL Harbaugh is 28-10 in three years and lost to Iowa at Iowa on a last second field goal to basically the same Iowa team that blew out OSU this year.

Harbaugh took your reject QB, Rudock, and turned him into an NFL QB. Trust me Michigan and its fan base are very much looking forward to Iowa coming to AA in 2019.

So why do these recruits, don't forget Oliver Martin and Amara Darhbo, , keep coming to Michigan?

 

[jberesford]

And yet we still beat them. Harbaugh better start to get the B1G cg or he's going to poaching recruits at a new school. Hard to go against the kid considering he's from Michigan and probably a life long fan. Best of luck to him except when he plays us.

Ferentz isn't exactly the brain trust of midwest recruiting; or any recruiting really, but the Harbaugh namesake isn't selling like it was supposed to. And he can't win the important games. Wish Iowa was better the last 2 years, but at the same time, Iowa isn't bad by comparison. Make or break year I think....

 

[cmhawks99]

LOL Harbaugh is 28-10 in three years and lost to Iowa at Iowa on a last second field goal to basically the same Iowa team that blew out OSU this year.

Harbaugh took your reject QB, Rudock, and turned him into an NFL QB. Trust me Michigan and its fan base are very much looking forward to Iowa coming to AA in 2019.

So why do these recruits, don't forget Oliver Martin and Amara Darhbo, , keep coming to Michigan?

Yet he can't do that with his own Qbs, hmmmm?!

 

[polecat]

And yet we still beat them. Harbaugh better start to get the B1G cg or he's going to poaching recruits at a new school. Hard to go against the kid considering he's from Michigan and probably a life long fan. Best of luck to him except when he plays us.

Ferentz isn't exactly the brain trust of midwest recruiting; or any recruiting really, but the Harbaugh namesake isn't selling like it was supposed to. And he can't win the important games. Wish Iowa was better the last 2 years, but at the same time, Iowa isn't bad by comparison. Make or break year I think....

So top ten classes the previous two years isn’t good recruiting? With the guys UM has coming back, all that’s missing is QB play. Patterson should provide that.

 

[IAHawk2011]

Yet he can't do that with his own Qbs, hmmmm?!

This is a dumb criticism. He’s been there three years, and “his own Qbs” were freshmen this season. Did you expect him to turn a freshman into a Heisman candidate?

 

[cidhawkeye]

This is a dumb criticism. He’s been there three years, and “his own Qbs” were freshmen this season. Did you expect him to turn a freshman into a Heisman candidate?

Were you referring to the 4 star QB who was a jr this year? The 4 star QB turned TE who was a red shirt soph? Hopefully he can land another transfer or two to match the transfers out.

 

[IAHawk2011]

Were you referring to the 4 star QB who was a jr this year? The 4 star QB turned TE who was a red shirt soph? Hopefully he can land another transfer or two to match the transfers out.

The first guy wasn’t his recruit, and not sure how the second is relevant to the discussion- does the fact that Iowa has switched TEs to OL mean Iowa can’t develop TEs?

 

[MepoDawg#]

LOL Harbaugh is 28-10 in three years and lost to Iowa at Iowa on a last second field goal to basically the same Iowa team that blew out OSU this year.

Harbaugh took your reject QB, Rudock, and turned him into an NFL QB. Trust me Michigan and its fan base are very much looking forward to Iowa coming to AA in 2019.

So why do these recruits, don't forget Oliver Martin and Amara Darhbo, , keep coming to Michigan?

So Iowa didn’t develop Rudock at all in his 4 years at Iowa? Now he’s a backup or 3rd string can’t remember since he doesn’t play. And you do know he was replaced by another QB who’s in the NFL and actually plays. Rudock was decent at Iowa but CJ was better and fit the offense better.

 

[hawkfeever]

LOL Harbaugh is 28-10 in three years and lost to Iowa at Iowa on a last second field goal to basically the same Iowa team that blew out OSU this year.

Harbaugh took your reject QB, Rudock, and turned him into an NFL QB. Trust me Michigan and its fan base are very much looking forward to Iowa coming to AA in 2019.

So why do these recruits, don't forget Oliver Martin and Amara Darhbo, , keep coming to Michigan?

We look forward to coming to Mrs Arbor. Senior QB and very experienced O Line and D lines. Oh ya we lookin forward to that meeting here too! Time to show that we own the varmints

 

[goodbyebobby]

So Iowa didn’t develop Rudock at all in his 4 years at Iowa? Now he’s a backup or 3rd string can’t remember since he doesn’t play. And you do know he was replaced by another QB who’s in the NFL and actually plays. Rudock was decent at Iowa but CJ was better and fit the offense better.

Rudock is in med school right now if he doesn't transfer to UM. Like JH or not he does, though not so much this year..., develop QB's.



You don't know me if not for Coach Harbaugh and it hasn't been the same for my career since we parted-

Colin Kaepernick

 

[MepoDawg#]

Rudock is in med school right now if he doesn't transfer to UM. Like JH or not he does, though not so much this year..., develop QB's.



You don't know me if not for Coach Harbaugh and it hasn't been the same for my career since we parted-

Colin Kaepernick

And Rudock wouldn’t have gone to Michigan without going to Iowa being developed and a 2 year starter.

 

[cmhawks99]

This is a dumb criticism. He’s been there three years, and “his own Qbs” were freshmen this season. Did you expect him to turn a freshman into a Heisman candidate?

Not at all dumb as Cid pointed out. Certainly not any dumber than Iowa fans trying to pretend like Jimmy H "fixed" a 5th year player who had been to at least 2 high-end QB camps during the summers when he was at Iowa.

You know why they do that don't you.....

So yeah he "fixed" our already good QB but can't fix 23 year old O'korn or 23 year Speight who started last year and the beginning of this season.Honestly that's dumb.

 

[meatloaf55]

A lot of that has to do with Iowa recruiting the state of Michigan hard. I don't think Michigan is targeting Iowa commits, they are just looking to in state kids for fall back recruits. I don't remember hill, but I think that was the case for higdon and van summer. And Michigan is a blue blood

 

[IAHawk2011]

Not at all dumb as Cid pointed out. Certainly not any dumber than Iowa fans trying to pretend like Jimmy H "fixed" a 5th year player who had been to at least 2 high-end QB camps during the summers when he was at Iowa.

You know why they do that don't you.....

So yeah he "fixed" our already good QB but can't fix 23 year old O'korn or 23 year Speight who started last year and the beginning of this season.Honestly that's dumb.

Yeah, that’s dumb too. Rudock was fine at Iowa, but didn’t have a very good supporting cast. He went to Michigan, who had a much stronger supporting cast, and was lights out. No “fixing”, just putting him with better offensive talent and an offense that better suited his skills and allowed him to be a “game manager”. I agree with you there.

But that doesn’t rebut my original point.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Mich knows that if they want one of our players that they think they would have a shot at flipping, just wait till a week or less and have them visit. They know that we will tell them they are not committed and we pull their scholarship so they have one place to go and that's Mich. Good strategy

This isn't how it works. If a commit is honest with our coaches and wants to go visit somewhere, our coaches have given them that opportunity.

 

[cmhawks99]

And Rudock wouldn’t have gone to Michigan without going to Iowa being developed and a 2 year starter.

Yeah honestly...I don't get it. Its also why I have such difficulty with these guys. They are so damn transparent you'd think they'd realize it themselves. They are so desperate to prove to themselves that KF is a stooge that they completely miss all the circumstances surrounding this issue.

As I've now said many times on here, this discussion as it pertains to the critic gets less tenable for them every year.

Lets start with the obvious...Rudock starts for 2 years at Iowa and actually performs quite well.

Getting better every year as a Soph, Jr, and then as a SR.

I'm pretty certain he went to at least 1 if not two QB camps while at Iowa.

He also had big Pre-Chem type classes in the middle of the week while at Iowa and missed multiple, multiple classes midweek all season long.

Then, he goes to UM, with ample motivation. I should say BIG time motivation, with the only goal to make Iowa look dumb and get ready for the NFL, his last chance. He wasn't taking super hard classes, he was prepping for his one shot to impress NFL scouts and if that didn't work...back to Med-school.

Now many of course, wouldn't swallow that, as obvious as it is. They latched on to some piece of wisdom JR imparted about how JH/UM pointed out a flaw....LOL

So I ask the board, those of you who think for yourselves. Does it sound right that a QB who came out of St Thomas Aquinas, one of the 20 best college football preparatory programs in the country, then to Iowa, while there going to 2 "elite" QB camps in the summer to improve his skills....was never told before "Michigan" that he had a tendency to throw of his back foot and not drive the ball.....?!?!?

Hell no.....He may have JUST now listened, but he was told. My owner here at the dealership coaches the offense for Bradley-Bourbonnais Soph team (Cam Harrells team) he is constantly talking about these dynamics. NO way he was "just told"....but for the critic that's all they needed.

Now it gets better, JR leaves the great QB guru and his QB's are worse, culminating in this disaster this year. where they score 25.8 points a game. WITH 23 year old QB's so please don't let anyone on here fool you.

Jake deserves his own credit, not JH. And Iowa deserves some credit for having two legit NFL QB's despite the vitriol of the critics.

See once JR went to the NFL, they had to make up some reason why. They couldn't stomach accepting it was obvious why the staff initially played JR over CJ....honestly this case is closed. Iowa had two good QB;s, easy to see why the decision was so difficult and Iowa to their credit, ultimately went with CJ who will all loved. But JR was a solid QB.