And? Wtf does that have to do with Iowa beating Michigan "bad" in an unlikely meeting in the CCG?
Michigan-Iowa Big 10 Championship?
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I think it's funny some people weren't sold on Harbaugh being able to bring Michigan back.
He's probably the best coach on the planet after Belicheck.
He's probably the best coach on the planet after Belicheck.
It means we usually beat Mich. Or you could look at it as Mich usually loses to us. Either way is acceptable.
Dude, the series record is 41-14-4. It is 4-4 in the last 8. 4-6, your favor, in last 10. We won the 7 prior to that.
Four of the fourteen wins have come since Carr retired.
The series is 16-10-1 for us since 81. I used that time as it was your first win in about 19 yrs, and around the time when Coach Fry came on board. His teams used to give everything they had against the Bo led Wolverines.
As a matter of fact, I would go as far to say as the only real type of success that Iowa has seen against Michigan has come during down turns in our program. That would before Bo arrived in 69(50s into early 60s), and since Rich Rod took over. It continued thru Hoke.
The lone exception being when Fry coached in the 80s. The 84 game was the last time we were shut out before last yr's epic failure vs ND. Even when losing, Fry gave the elder Schembechler all he wanted.
Frankly, some of your fellow fans need to get you in line. When it comes to the original conference teams, Michigan is tops among all. Period. Saying "Iowa always beats Michigan" is self delusion.
So you can see it with your own eyes........
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active/i/iowa/opponents_records.php?teamid=1977
Lol, did Iowa beat them in 1922? I can't remember. I consider 10 years in sports as the history to use. Mich hasn't beaten Iowa much in the last 10 years. Granted we didn't play every year. That probably helped save you some losses.
Don't be a putz. I just recounted the breakdown for you, in various time spans, of the past 30 yrs. What you claimed is not only true, but holds so for the past 25 yrs, lets alone 100 yrs ago..
Someone bring this dude back to reality. The delusions are high.
Wow, you're Michigan "slow". Re-read my post. 10 years is a fair time to evaluate what program is currently better. You sound like a Nebraskan, talking about how great the 1940's were.
I read your initial post post-edit and still thought you must be on crack or some kind of fanboi.
Damn it, you made me look up the last 10 years. Iowa leads 4-2. You just wasted seconds of my life. So yes, Iowa has been more dominant in recent history. Yes, you guys lose to Iowa a lot recently.
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And I just recounted how the last 8 games were split. If you prefer to go 10, it is still only 4-6 your favor. Winning 6 out of 10 after losing 7 in a row isn't something to be tap dancing about.
There is no "ownage" there, and you are a damn fool to defend that position.
Lol, first Michigan fans wanted to be rid of Jake Rudock after game 1. Now they're "arguably" the best team in the Big Ten, and "certainly" better than Iowa..........
Let's just stop this nonsense right now.
Let's just stop this nonsense right now.
You're making me insane. How many years are in the last 10 years? Iowa is 4-2 in that span. Hint: the answer is 10.
Michigan has a good defense. They should be able to make the B1G east a more interesting race.
However, before Michigan fans get too ahead of themselves ... the game against Utah was a first game of the year. Any team can come out with a bit of rust ... Michigan came out swinging in that game and gave themselves a punchers chance. Michigan had the benefit of the underdog label ... and they were likely playing that card to its fullest.
Oregon State isn't a particularly good team. They started a TR FR at the Big House ... and it still required a high snap over the punters head to totally shift the momentum in that game in Michigan's favor.
As for BYU, they had been on an emotional roller-coaster. They had 2 exciting, emotional draining wins in the first two weeks followed by a gut wrenching loss to UCLA in the prior week. The set-up already wasn't very good for BYU - because it was going to be huge challenge for the coaching staff to have the players in the "right mode" for the game. Furthermore, the QB is a freshman ... and he's playing in the Big House ... a place that can be a pretty darn intimidating environment. On top of all that ... Michigan is a pretty good team.
Thus, while "on paper" Michigan has had a pretty tough non-conference schedule ... they HAVE benefited from games being at the right time and/or right place for the given opponent.
However, before Michigan fans get too ahead of themselves ... the game against Utah was a first game of the year. Any team can come out with a bit of rust ... Michigan came out swinging in that game and gave themselves a punchers chance. Michigan had the benefit of the underdog label ... and they were likely playing that card to its fullest.
Oregon State isn't a particularly good team. They started a TR FR at the Big House ... and it still required a high snap over the punters head to totally shift the momentum in that game in Michigan's favor.
As for BYU, they had been on an emotional roller-coaster. They had 2 exciting, emotional draining wins in the first two weeks followed by a gut wrenching loss to UCLA in the prior week. The set-up already wasn't very good for BYU - because it was going to be huge challenge for the coaching staff to have the players in the "right mode" for the game. Furthermore, the QB is a freshman ... and he's playing in the Big House ... a place that can be a pretty darn intimidating environment. On top of all that ... Michigan is a pretty good team.
Thus, while "on paper" Michigan has had a pretty tough non-conference schedule ... they HAVE benefited from games being at the right time and/or right place for the given opponent.
Michigan hasn't been good since 2006. There might have been decent seasons, but none that were good.
Michigan's offense is still a work in progress. The QB play is still mediocre. The WRs are still nothing special. But the OL is one of the better groups in the conference and the have plenty of RBs to give the ball to.
Defense, though? Yikes. Probably best in the conference, might be best in the country. It's that impressive. They've given up almost nothing this year despite a reasonable SOS compared to everybody else. 4 TD drives all season against them, 1 of which was garbage time vs backups by UNLV. Top 10 in both pass D and rush D. The DL is 2 deep with very talented players. The secondary is just loaded. The LBs are all seniors.
Michigan doesn't have the offense to even be talked about with the top 10 teams in the country. But they have the defense to shut down anybody and keep it close. And they have the schedule to have a chance at winning their division with both MSU and OSU games at home.
Is Michigan a great team right now? Of course not. But they do have the combination of a dominant defense and a solid running game that will give them a chance against anybody.
Can we all agree that it's unlikely Iowa and Michigan will play each other this year? And then stop comparing sizes? We have no reason to start any sort of pissing match with UM right now. Yes, our former QB is playing for them. I wish him luck and hope he has a good, injury-free season. If we do end up playing later, then we can all unzip and start showing off. Until then, let's just each enjoy our teams' current success.
I'm just stating that Iowa has been beating Michigan lately which falls in line with some of what that poster was saying ... I personally don't agree that Iowa would beat Michigan "bad" if they happened to meet. I think Iowa has an easier road to the B10 title game than Michigan, but it is very doubtful they will meet there ...
For whatever reason, Iowa has matched up against Michigan much better than Iowa has matched up with OSU (in the Fry/KF era). However, look at Wisconsin, and they match-up better against OSU but not so much vs Michigan.
The WRs may just be "nothing special" ... but Iowa still recruited both Darboh and Chesson VERY hard. So Iowa would have happily taken them if they would have leaped aboard.
As for the Michigan D ... yeah, they're legit. Iowa recruited most of those guys too. From Delano Hill to Wormley ... Iowa offered and recruited A LOT of those guys pretty hard too.
Say what you will about Hoke ... he could definitely recruit. His assistants may have sucked at developing QBs ... but they definitely brought talent into that program. Harbaugh is definitely NOT working with a bare cupboard.
Neb doesn't worry me right now. IMO, if we played Saturday, we'd win. Not impressed at all.
By the time that game is played, both teams will have some backups playing.
Hmmm.... My own eyes say that the W-L record is favorable to Iowa in recent years. I wonder how kids playing on the current roster see things?
Michigan can't field those winning teams of the past, and neither can we. Both sides are stuck with the current roster.
History is nice but what happens this season is what counts. If we played Saturday, I think the game would be competitive. With the pounding that players take in the B1G, who knows what the teams would look like at the end of the season?
But my own eyes say Michigan has not owned Iowa in quite a few years.
Chesson is Michigan's only reliable WR at this point. Chesson is 3 years into the program and still does a very poor job at adjusting to the ball after it is thrown. He's just not a natural WR. Darboh, on the other hand, lacks elite physical skills but he really goes after the ball and gets it.
Nobody, certainly not I, would suggest Harbaugh is working with a bare cupboard. Hoke left him a loaded defense (7th last season in total D rankings with addition of Jabrill Peppers and return of Desmond Morgan) that is deep and talented. He also left him an OL that returned all 5 starters.
Hoke's biggest failing at Michigan was he brought in terrible assistant coaches to work with. His previous staff is now scattered to the winds with some guys at D2 schools (yes D2, not FCS), some at places like San Jose State and other assorted low level D1 programs, and a few that got major jobs (Doug Nussmeier is the OC at Florida). Harbaugh on the other hand has surrounded himself with elite assistant coaches that are all really, really good at teaching and coaching. His DC and OC will likely both be HCs at major programs in the near future. His position coaches are elite. His ST coach is one of the best in the country. If/when they leave, he'll find some one else that is great to take their place. He wants to assemble the best minds he can find to work with rather than just give his friends jobs (Hoke basically kept the same staff from previous work and brought it with him).
That's not a bad team to have a Super Bowl against though.Yeah I know, it's our Super Bowl
Over the last 35~ years, there have been a lot of classic Iowa-Michigan games where a victory was considered fairly significant for both teams (much more so for Iowa, obviously).
Best and most accomplished aren't the same thing. Sometimes they coincide, sometimes they don't.
There's a bunch of guys in the nfl with as many or more superbowls than Aaron Rodgers. Doesn't mean he's not the best.
Accomplishments just aren't a compelling argument for a guy who hasn't been around at any one place very long even though he's been close very often.
Winning percentages are pretty telling though.
My prediction is that UM will be competing for a playoff spot within a couple years.
Well see what happens I guess.
Michigan is favored in all but one game according to this. They have a number of easy games on their schedule with just 3 or 4 that could give them a fight. Ohio State is a major hurdle, but Ohio State hasn't looked great in some games this year. By the end of the season, this could be an interesting game and it's a home game for Michigan.
Iowa's schedule doesn't appear to be as difficult, but the Hawks are favored in only 5 of 8 of their remaining games according to this. Part of that is because the toughest games come on the road.
Someone with more time and an understanding of statistics could run the numbers in the links provided and come up with a probability of each team making the championship. I imagine only Ohio State has a greater probability than Michigan, with Michigan State not far behind. Wisconsin would be the clear favorite in the west with Nebraska, Northwestern and Iowa the biggest challengers.
Picking any two teams to match up in the championship is going to result in a relatively low probability, no matter who you pick. The west seems to be more up in the air with 4 teams with the best chances. If all those teams were considered relatively equal, you are already at 25% chance of picking the west right.
It isn't just ESPN's made up rankings, Sagarin's current predictor ratings have Michigan favored in every game the rest of the way. They aren't rated higher than OSU, but playing all the tough games at home makes them a slight favorite in each game by Sagarin's current predictions.
That isn't saying they are predicted to win each game, merely that they are predicted to be at least slight favorites in each game. The actual prediction of conference W/L record if you added it all up is probably more like 6-2.
Off the subject, but here's why grammar is important, kids. "I think you're nuts," means I think you are nuts. "I think your nuts," makes it sound like Frankenstein thinking about your testicles.
