Million Student March

[shank hawk]

If this chick is a representative product of what education has become in this country then it's worse - so much worse - than I could have ever imagined. I thought Northwestern was supposed to be one of the best colleges in the country; hate to see what the worst ones put out.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...y_mullen_pay_for_always_be_a_one_percent.html
If I was Bernie Sanders I would call her up and ask her to support Hillary: so embarrassing.

 

[The Tradition]

"high as a kite"

Cavuto unintentionally nailed it.

 

[strummingram]

"Free" is an illusion.

 

[INXS83]

If this chick is a representative product of what education has become in this country then it's worse - so much worse - than I could have ever imagined. I thought Northwestern was supposed to be one of the best colleges in the country; hate to see what the worst ones put out.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...y_mullen_pay_for_always_be_a_one_percent.html
If I was Bernie Sanders I would call her up and ask her to support Hillary: so embarrassing.

Well, first, I feel sorry for her. She has been brainwashed by the libtard politicians and media about the distribution of wealth within America. Such attitudes and beliefs are really based on jealousy and envy.

It's pretty obvious Cavuto was running out of patience with her rhetoric. He's heard it so many times from libs around the country. He knew what she was going to say before she said it.

 

[timinatoria]

That was hilarious.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

What I don't understand about this movement is why these students feel they should be given a college degree for free - as in, I am literally not sure what they premise this argument on.

I believe the premise of their argument is that education plays a critical role in improving our culture as a society. The more highly educated people we have, the better we will be as a country. This is true for hard sciences, finance, literature, or any other areas of education students may pursue.

The flaw in this argument, is that if education itself is the intrinsic goal, there is no reason these students need to pay so much to go to college. They can go to community colleges and cheaper colleges which teach the same material (often from the same books) as the more expensive colleges. In fact, if intrinsic education is truly the goal, you do not need more than a high school education to be able to go to the library and self study any topic you desire. Of course there is an issue of obtaining requisite licenses for certain areas of employment (medical, legal, etc); but that is an entirely separate argument of whether such barriers to entry in certain employment areas are ideal.

To me, it seems that the only real reason students need to pay so much to attend expensive universities is so that they can improve their employment opportunities. In other words, students are willing to spend so much on education because they believe it is a good financial investment in that their increased future earnings will be worth investing thousands of dollars on their college education. If this is the fundamental reason for going to these expensive schools, why do these students believe they should not have to pay for their own investment?

Another factor undermining their movement is the fact that college today is viewed as 4 years of partying for a substantial percentage of students. Iowa has certainly earned its reputation as a party school, but it's also not that much different than many/most colleges around the country. I saw many of my college friends spend upwards of $100,000 on a Communications major that they barely achieved with a 2.5 GPA because they valued partying and socializing more than they valued studying and learning. Forgive me if I don't feel sympathetic for those types of students.

 

[hawkland14]

The Bernie supporters are staying awfully quiet in this thread. I wonder why?

 

[shank hawk]

The Bernie supporters are staying awfully quiet in this thread. I wonder why?

To quote the eloquent spokesperson in the video above: "Ummm, like yeah, it's umm, like, because like there's ummm, like not much to ummm say. Like, ok?"

Valley girl goes to Northwestern.

 

[Brian_Fantana]

My lord - people cannot really be this stupid, correct? Please tell me they just put someone on that wasn't afraid to be embarrassed.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

If this chick is a representative product of what education has become in this country then it's worse - so much worse - than I could have ever imagined. I thought Northwestern was supposed to be one of the best colleges in the country; hate to see what the worst ones put out.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...y_mullen_pay_for_always_be_a_one_percent.html
If I was Bernie Sanders I would call her up and ask her to support Hillary: so embarrassing.

I'm back in school right now, and it's bad...reaaaaaaaaal bad. Basically, if you just show up to class you get a "C" now.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

I couldn't finish watching it, way too painful.

 

[strummingram]

I wish an advocate of Socialism would connect the dots- and maybe help explain what the student was unable to- as to how all of these "free" things can be achieved and implemented nationally.

 

[SalAunese]

She goes to Northeastern, not Northwestern.

Northeastern is in Boston, MA

She grew up in a million dollar home in Chicago

http://newbostonpost.com/2015/11/12/boston-activist-says-tax-the-rich-no-apologies-to-dad/

 

[rocketclone]

Good lord, her parents live in a million dollar house and get government aid?

 

[rocketclone]

I wish an advocate of Socialism would connect the dots- and maybe help explain what the student was unable to- as to how all of these "free" things can be achieved and implemented nationally.

The stats were interesting that you could only run Medicare for three years.

 

[BubsFinn]

So her position is: taxing the rich 100% is the road to socialism, but taxing them 90% is a great idea?
I wished Neil had asked her if SHE was doing anything to help her parents pay for her college education.

 

[BioHawk]

What I don't understand about this movement is why these students feel they should be given a college degree for free - as in, I am literally not sure what they premise this argument on.

I believe the premise of their argument is that education plays a critical role in improving our culture as a society. The more highly educated people we have, the better we will be as a country. This is true for hard sciences, finance, literature, or any other areas of education students may pursue.

The flaw in this argument, is that if education itself is the intrinsic goal, there is no reason these students need to pay so much to go to college. They can go to community colleges and cheaper colleges which teach the same material (often from the same books) as the more expensive colleges. In fact, if intrinsic education is truly the goal, you do not need more than a high school education to be able to go to the library and self study any topic you desire. Of course there is an issue of obtaining requisite licenses for certain areas of employment (medical, legal, etc); but that is an entirely separate argument of whether such barriers to entry in certain employment areas are ideal.

To me, it seems that the only real reason students need to pay so much to attend expensive universities is so that they can improve their employment opportunities. In other words, students are willing to spend so much on education because they believe it is a good financial investment in that their increased future earnings will be worth investing thousands of dollars on their college education. If this is the fundamental reason for going to these expensive schools, why do these students believe they should not have to pay for their own investment?

Another factor undermining their movement is the fact that college today is viewed as 4 years of partying for a substantial percentage of students. Iowa has certainly earned its reputation as a party school, but it's also not that much different than many/most colleges around the country. I saw many of my college friends spend upwards of $100,000 on a Communications major that they barely achieved with a 2.5 GPA because they valued partying and socializing more than they valued studying and learning. Forgive me if I don't feel sympathetic for those types of students.

I haven't watched the video nor do I care to, but you do understand that the free college movement is for things like community college and state schools, right? The plan wasn't to send everyone to Harvard for free.

 

[strummingram]

I haven't watched the video nor do I care to, but you do understand that the free college movement is for things like community college and state schools, right? The plan wasn't to send everyone to Harvard for free.

It's not free, regardless.

 

[HallofFame]

I mean just read the articles about her daddy. It's just too much for me to handle. The stupidity is amazing.

 

[BioHawk]

It's not free, regardless.

True, but it would be cheaper than it is now.

 

[rocketclone]

I haven't watched the video nor do I care to, but you do understand that the free college movement is for things like community college and state schools, right? The plan wasn't to send everyone to Harvard for free.

Then you need to watch the video. She is talking about her student loans being 150,000 and she goes to northeastern which is a private college. Her parents also paid 35000 for her to go to private high school. Now after watching the video this student may not be smart enough to know the difference.

 

[22*43*51]

I believe the children are our future...

 

[Nat Algren]

These events are usually driven from the top on down and not the ground roots movement we are spoon fed to believe. For example; when the illegals had a march about 5 years ago, we were led to believe it was a spur of the moment ground swell by the illegal masses on Washington. Upon further review, it was noted that it was a well organized event planned by the Ford Foundation. They (Ford) funneled all the financing to the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund (MALDEF). Where did the signs come from? Who provided all the transportation?

Not sure exactly what the end game is just yet. But, as they say in revolutionary circles...the real action is in the re-action.

 

[The Tradition]

 

[rocketclone]

I wonder if we came out with a plan that the student has to serve in the military for three years, then, we will pay for college, if they would go along with that.

 

[SCHawkFan]

I wonder if we came out with a plan that the student has to serve in the military for three years, then, we will pay for college, if they would go along with that.

They already have a plan like that.

 

[eightno2002]

Many state schools have facilities (dorms, workout centers, art and theatre) that are state of the art. So we send these 18 year olds off at no cost to them to live a life that the 99% couldn't afford. Sounds about right.

 

[rocketclone]

They already have a plan like that.

Yup, that was my point.

 

[BubsFinn]

True, but it would be cheaper than it is now.

No, it wouldn't. It would just be paid for by someone else. Someone not receiving the direct benefit of that education.
Every time you increase the distance between recipient and payer, things get more expensive.

 

[isufan21]

True, but it would be cheaper than it is now.

Poster above already touched on this a bit, but this post was so wrong I needed to reply to it too.

The current system of student loans is what has caused the massive increases we have seen in higher education. You increase demand even more by having someone else pay for it, and the prices will go through the roof yet again. We as a country couldnt afford to send everyone to college, not only that but it would be a very bad idea. mainly because not everyone should goto college. We have trade and technical schools that are a lot of times much better paths for some people.

 

[BioHawk]

Poster above already touched on this a bit, but this post was so wrong I needed to reply to it too.

The current system of student loans is what has caused the massive increases we have seen in higher education. You increase demand even more by having someone else pay for it, and the prices will go through the roof yet again. We as a country couldnt afford to send everyone to college, not only that but it would be a very bad idea. mainly because not everyone should goto college. We have trade and technical schools that are a lot of times much better paths for some people.

I don't disagree with the reason college has gotten so expensive. That's a big part of the reason why the way we finance it needs to change. First, complete bs on the "can't afford it" point. We could easily afford it if we made it a priority. Any country that spends upwards of a trillion dollars on the military can find a way to spend the few billion dollars to send people to college. You just don't want to pay for it. You'd rather spend it on a few dozen airplanes or an aircraft carrier. By the way, paying for people to go to college actually would make the government money in increased tax revenue in the future. People with college degrees make more money and are less likely to lose their jobs in a recession.

Second, people need to learn the difference between "everyone will go to college" and "everyone can go to college". Just because college would be paid for doesn't mean everyone would go. You'd still have to be a good enough student to get into college. And why couldn't trade schools be included into this? I absolutely agree that we need to push trade schools as an equal option to college. Why shouldn't people get help paying for that as well?

Finally, to get back to costs, when you look at public education it is always cheaper when the taxpayers are paying. If you don't believe me, look at your property tax bill the next time you see it. I live in Illinois where we have some of the worst property taxes in the country. The majority of my taxes go to education. However, even with that the amount of money I pay a year is roughly $1000. That's how much a year it will cost me to send my kids and my neighbor's kids to school. Find me a private school that will give the same or better quality education for that much money.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

poor poop swastika brigade: they get overshadowed by paris of all places! of all the countries, the frogs! ha ha

 

[BioHawk]

No, it wouldn't. It would just be paid for by someone else. Someone not receiving the direct benefit of that education.
Every time you increase the distance between recipient and payer, things get more expensive.

Compare how much of your property tax bill goes to education and then compare that number to any private school you can find.

To say that you do not receive direct benefits of someone else's education has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read on here. Just about every aspect of your daily life is a direct benefit of someone else's education.

 

[BioHawk]

Then you need to watch the video. She is talking about her student loans being 150,000 and she goes to northeastern which is a private college. Her parents also paid 35000 for her to go to private high school. Now after watching the video this student may not be smart enough to know the difference.

That lady is an idiot I'm sure. However, that doesn't mean that getting rid of student debt is a bad thing. I'm not going to defend that spoiled brat. Even if Bernie's plan were passed it should not be used for private schools.

 

[belezabro]

Drinking game. Every time she says, I mean, take a drink. Good luck

 

[95Hawk]

Imagine the power of a million students marching the streets of D.C., heads buried in a device as they post selfies of the event to social networks, and then expecting a medal around their neck upon completion.

 

[The Tradition]

Clueless Girl: Why should I have to pay for my education when it's going to be such a tremendous benefit to society?

Cavuto: Holding yourself up as an example isn't convincing me that society would get its money's worth.

 

[BubsFinn]

Compare how much of your property tax bill goes to education and then compare that number to any private school you can find.

To say that you do not receive direct benefits of someone else's education has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read on here. Just about every aspect of your daily life is a direct benefit of someone else's education.

I will admit I receive an indirect benefit if my neighbors can read, write, and do basic math. I am happy to help pay for that. I do not receive a direct benefit if my neighbor has a BA in Art History. My neighbor does, but I do not, especially if I have a BA in Art History that I had to pay for myself.
As for my property taxes, add up the property taxes of everyone in my zip code, including the ones paid by parents who send their kids to private school. Compare cost per student in private school vs.total cost per student in public school and get back to me. Then compare SAT scores.

 

[iammrhawkeyes]

What do "trans feminine" and "gender mobile" mean?

 

[BioHawk]

I will admit I receive an indirect benefit if my neighbors can read, write, and do basic math. I am happy to help pay for that. I do not receive a direct benefit if my neighbor has a BA in Art History. My neighbor does, but I do not, especially if I have a BA in Art History that I had to pay for myself.
As for my property taxes, add up the property taxes of everyone in my zip code, including the ones paid by parents who send their kids to private school. Compare cost per student in private school vs.total cost per student in public school and get back to me. Then compare SAT scores.

Right. Publicly funded education is cheaper for you. Who cares about cost per student? Just because private schools, especially religiously affiliated ones, only pay their teachers about half of what they are worth doesn't mean anything. And before you come back with the "teachers are overpaid for nine months of work" and turn this into the weekly teacher bashing thread, look at the cost of entry for a teacher. So, I guess there is that too. Cheapen the cost of college and teachers won't be able to use the cost of training as a justifiable reason for better pay.

Comparing SAT scores is worthless when one group gets to pick and choose who they accept. Here's something people don't talk about, as long as their is a strong family unit at home smart kids will do just as well at a public school as they will at a private school. Smart kids will be smart, dumb kids will be dumb. It doesn't matter where they are doing that.