Montana ending $300 fed assistant to unem

[Bank of Hawk]

I hear of worker shortages all over the map, every industry, every company seems to be hiring. So Montana is ending the $300 weekly giveaway to the unemployed.

The governor approved a $1,200 payment to anyone who gets off unemployment and stays at the job for four weeks (for some reason the national news stories like below buried the $1,200 incentive).

Personally I think it’s a great incentive to get people back to work.

Montana ending unemployment fee giveaway.

 

[Joes Place]

It's an indicator the pandemic is easing.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

Good.


Everywhere is hiring, but can't find people

 

[Finance85]

Why work when there are incentives not to work?

 

[BelemNole]

If you're paying less than unemployment....

 

[Huey Grey]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you disqualified from benefits if you are offered work?

 

[FlickShagwell]

Why work when there are incentives not to work?

Because 300 bucks isn’t an incentive not to work and no adult who’s been in the real world for 1 minute should claim that it is.

 

[Bank of Hawk]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you disqualified from benefits if you are offered work?

Don’t know how that could be tracked or traced. But I know some rules used to be around a requirement that you show you are actively searching employment to qualify for benefits and the employment office would assist those in identifying open positions.

 

[Huey Grey]

Don’t know how that could be tracked or traced. But I know some rules used to be around a requirement that you show you are actively searching employment to qualify for benefits and the employment office would assist those in identifying open positions.

Seems like it would be fraud. Are people actually committing unemployment fraud to avoid work? I have a hard time believing this is a widespread problem.

 

[Bank of Hawk]

Seems like it would be fraud. Are people actually committing unemployment fraud to avoid work? I have a hard time believing this is a widespread problem.

Being lazy is not fraudulent behavior. Neither is turning down a job offer. But if someone wants to get gainfully employed in this economy, they don’t have to look too hard either.

 

[stillh8unlv]

If you're paying less than unemployment....

Based on a 40-hour work week with the standard average Montana unemployment benefits and the extra $300 benefits, the hourly rate is $19.26.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

There is a huge issue with people not returning to work, and it's going to hurt us all at some point.

In my line of work, trucking, it starts with the part manufacturer who can't hire people to make the parts, then Fed Ex is short handed and having terrible turn around time, then the dealer(me) can't find people to fix the truck, then the trucks dont run, then your frieght doesn't get deliverd.

It's all going to come to a head this summer I am afaid. There are shortages of employees everywhere.

I can't explain it.
I don't have the solutions.

But we can't keep pretending it isn't a problem.

 

[Mayland]

Don’t know how that could be tracked or traced. But I know some rules used to be around a requirement that you show you are actively searching employment to qualify for benefits and the employment office would assist those in identifying open positions.

I believe the requirement that you had to be actively seeking employment was waived during the pandemic.

 

[LunchBox50]

Because 300 bucks isn’t an incentive not to work and no adult who’s been in the real world for 1 minute should claim that it is.

This. It’s such a lazy and haughty trope.

 

[Bank of Hawk]

There is a huge issue with people not returning to work, and it's going to hurt us all at some point.

In my line of work, trucking, it starts with the part manufacturer who can't hire people to make the parts, then Fed Ex is short handed and having terrible turn around time, then the dealer(me) can't find people to fix the truck, then the trucks dont run, then your frieght doesn't get deliverd.

It's all going to come to a head this summer I am afaid. There are shortages of employees everywhere.

I can't explain it.
I don't have the solutions.

But we can't keep pretending it isn't a problem.

Saw an article today about trucker shortages:

$14k a week to truckers.

 

[Bank of Hawk]

I think there are major supply chain issues simply due to “non-essential” work going away and lack of demand causing shut downs of factories that all of a sudden have to come back full blast to meet post-pandemic demand, all over the world.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

Saw an article today about trucker shortages:

$14k a week to truckers.

Its insane.

Im looking for parts delivery people now. A year ago I got 15-20 apps a day.
Now, nothing.

$18/hr $5000 hiring bonus.
nothing.

It’s insane

 

[joelbc1]

Its insane.

Im looking for parts delivery people now. A year ago I got 15-20 apps a day.
Now, nothing.

$18/hr $5000 hiring bonus.
nothing.

It’s insane

Life is tough all over.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

I think there are major supply chain issues simply due to “non-essential” work going away and lack of demand causing shut downs of factories that all of a sudden have to come back full blast to meet post-pandemic demand, all over the world.

Yep. Exactly.

Most are not seeing it yet in their lives, but they will.

 

[BelemNole]

Based on a 40-hour work week with the standard average Montana unemployment benefits and the extra $300 benefits, the hourly rate is $19.26.

No, that’s the top end plus the $300. That means that it was someone who had a career making good money and now you’re wondering why they’re not jumping to take a job at the local McDonald’s paying $8.50/hr.
If you lose your job you have the right to use the unemployment insurance you paid into to take the time to find a job in your field. No to find the first shitty entry level job available because people want their Big Macs.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

Life is tough all over.

Thanks Joe.
Riveting response.

 

[ericram]

Oh good the 81 people in Montana will be upset.

 

[Bank of Hawk]

I’d be in favor of some assistance for people to learn new in demand trades if they can’t get their old careers back and have no other marketable skills.

 

[Gimmered]

There is a huge issue with people not returning to work, and it's going to hurt us all at some point.

In my line of work, trucking, it starts with the part manufacturer who can't hire people to make the parts, then Fed Ex is short handed and having terrible turn around time, then the dealer(me) can't find people to fix the truck, then the trucks dont run, then your frieght doesn't get deliverd.

It's all going to come to a head this summer I am afaid. There are shortages of employees everywhere.

I can't explain it.
I don't have the solutions.

But we can't keep pretending it isn't a problem.

I'm in manufacturing, it's been breaking our backs since June. I've averaged 60 hours a week. A lot of the time our only relief is running out of material.

It actually pisses me off that we don't allow enough immigrants in legally to help fill some of the holes. We're begging for help to fill $22 an hour jobs. My Daughter's employer's in the same position with welders.

 

[MepoDawg#]

We increased our minimum wage for full-time regular employees do $16, temps are $15.25. Still can’t get enough people. Great benefits if you’re hired on as a regular. Converting temps at 3 months.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Seems like it would be fraud. Are people actually committing unemployment fraud to avoid work? I have a hard time believing this is a widespread problem.

There’s a lot of people who game the system, but if there are loopholes then it isn’t necessarily fraud.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

I'm in manufacturing, it's been breaking our backs since June. I've averaged 60 hours a week. A lot of the time our only relief is running out of material.

It actually pisses me off that we don't allow enough immigrants in legally to help fill some of the holes. We're begging for help to fill $22 an hour jobs. My Daughter's employer's in the same position with welders.

People want to pretend it's not an issue, the supply chain will run dry, then we are ****dd

 

[The Tradition]

Stimulus checks, "enhanced" unemployment benefits, eviction bans...

Why work?

 

[Gimmered]

Stimulus checks, "enhanced" unemployment benefits, eviction bans...

Why work?

Who would have thought that when you pay people to stay home, they would keep staying home?

 

[Finance85]

Because 300 bucks isn’t an incentive not to work and no adult who’s been in the real world for 1 minute should claim that it is.

I don't think you understand the current situation. That's an add on. Other incentives are rent assistance, and on and on.

 

[FlickShagwell]

I don't think you understand the current situation. That's an add on. Other incentives are rent assistance, and on and on.

Don’t double down.

Like the guy above said, it’s such a lazy trope. Every “handout” that has you worried amounts to throwing a guy surrounded in all directions by a hundred miles of shark infested water a life preserver. It might solve one of many problems, briefly. No one with bills is banking the pocket change being tossed their way.

 

[ANYCHawk]

I don't think you understand the current situation. That's an add on. Other incentives are rent assistance, and on and on.

I'm just gonna do some math here. And use NYC. In New York state the maximum unemployment is $540 a week. We'll add in the $300. S0 $850 a week for round numbers. That's $44,000 a year. I don't know how much you make, but I made that and less for a decade. It really doesn't go far. And at that rate your not going to qualify for rental assitance or any of the adds on you suggest. Hell at that rate you can't even get a public defender.

The point being if you think there is some rash of people staying home for $44K a year (and remeber to get that mark you had to make $50,000 a year before you got laid off so people who made $32,000 are making less than $44K in unmployment) you're kidding yourself.

 

[millah_22]

Why work when there are incentives not to work?

Bc the work is shit and the pay is shit.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Seems like it would be fraud. Are people actually committing unemployment fraud to avoid work? I have a hard time believing this is a widespread problem.

Anecdotal...but I personally know of multiple situations where people here in Iowa were initially laid off due to COVID shutdowns and then got pretty comfy with the regular state UE combined with the federal "adder" of $600/week and then declined offers to return to work when called back.

AND...then somewhere in the Dec/Jan time frame the state caught up to that gig and caused these cats to understand that they now need to return some/all of the UE $$'s they received when they could have been working. Ruh-ro.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Count me as out of touch/poorly informed. I would have thought the "bonus" unemployment had ended by now.

Pay more? Allow more immigrants?

 

[mauricehawk]

No, that’s the top end plus the $300. That means that it was someone who had a career making good money and now you’re wondering why they’re not jumping to take a job at the local McDonald’s paying $8.50/hr.
If you lose your job you have the right to use the unemployment insurance you paid into to take the time to find a job in your field. No to find the first shitty entry level job available because people want their Big Macs.

If you were making your so called good money before I'm sure you can find it again. If all you can find is shifty entry level job you were overpaid previously. There are so many good paying jobs out there it is unbelievable.

 

[The Tradition]

I'm just gonna do some math here. And use NYC. In New York state the maximum unemployment is $540 a week. We'll add in the $300. S0 $850 a week for round numbers. That's $44,000 a year. I don't know how much you make, but I made that and less for a decade. It really doesn't go far. And at that rate your not going to qualify for rental assitance or any of the adds on you suggest. Hell at that rate you can't even get a public defender.

The point being if you think there is some rash of people staying home for $44K a year (and remeber to get that mark you had to make $50,000 a year before you got laid off so people who made $32,000 are making less than $44K in unmployment) you're kidding yourself.

There's nothing about NYC that is analogous to "America".

 

[ANYCHawk]

There's nothing about NYC that is analogous to "America".

I just used them figuring their unemployment is among the highest.

I didn't say stretching 44K there is hard. Stretching 44K anywhere is hard. I know I've done in some of the areas of the country with the lowest cost of living.

Even in Des MOines if you live an absolute barebone lifestyle. YOu only have a few hundred left over a month after rent/car/utilities/food. And that's if you live a completly single barebones life and never leave your home.

 

[Jan Itor]

Because 300 bucks isn’t an incentive not to work and no adult who’s been in the real world for 1 minute should claim that it is.

It’s $300 on top of the normal weekly unemployment benefit. So in Iowa , for example, that’s around $700 a week.

Yes that is enough incentive for many to not go back to work.

 

[stillh8unlv]

Don’t double down.

Like the guy above said, it’s such a lazy trope. Every “handout” that has you worried amounts to throwing a guy surrounded in all directions by a hundred miles of shark infested water a life preserver. It might solve one of many problems, briefly. No one with bills is banking the pocket change being tossed their way.

You don't have a firm grasp on reality here.

People across the country are legitimately making between 14 and 20 bucks an hour to stay home.

Between tax returns, stimulus checks, and this additional benefit I've seen a lot of trailer park millionaire's who don't think past the end of their noses.

300 dollars may be pocket change to you, but 1200 a month pays a LOT of these workers bills and they truly act like drunk sailors