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Moral Clarity on the Nazi Salute

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Someone having a "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" experience over the "sieg heil" kerfuffle.

Anglican priest trying to get on good side of MAGA idiots does an "ironic" Nazi salute at right wing forum ---- and gets kicked out of his church for being an asshole.

Love it.

1. Consequences​

Saturday was the National Pro-Life Summit. It was filled with serious, committed intellectuals who are devoted to the dignity of the human person and the sanctity of life.¹

One of the speakers was a man of the cloth, a gentleman who bills himself as Fr. Calvin Robinson.² At the end of his remarks, Fr. Robinson did this:



Moral Clarity on the Nazi Salute


Finally, someone was able to say the true things and impose consequences.​

We did TNL live last night. That maybe wasn’t the best idea. The sprawling, shambling cavalcade of darkness is here.
Look, there are more important things going on in the world than what we’re talking about today. But I ask you to bear with me. Because little things matter, too.


1. Consequences​


Saturday was the National Pro-Life Summit. It was filled with serious, committed intellectuals who are devoted to the dignity of the human person and the sanctity of life.¹
One of the speakers was a man of the cloth, a gentleman who bills himself as Fr. Calvin Robinson.² At the end of his remarks, Fr. Robinson did this.

Things to note:​
  • Despite doing Catholic cosplay, Robinson is not a Roman Catholic priest. He is a member of the Anglican Catholic Church. (More on this in a second.)
  • Clearly, Fr. Robinson knew exactly what he was doing.
  • Make sure you clock his Pepe grin to the left after he throws out his don’t-call-it-a-sieg-heil.
  • Listen to the reaction of the crowd. They loved it.

No reasonable person could doubt Robinson’s intention. He was doing a Hitler salute, but cloaked under the veil of irony, as a way of signaling to the audience that people who object to Hitler salutes are bad.
Or, to put it another way: He’s trying to use mainstream objections about Hitler salutes to launder the Hitler salute and make it an acceptable in-group identity marker.
This would be morally reprehensible for anyone. But from a Christian minister? Lord have mercy.

Yadda yadda yadda, there was more sieg-heil discourse. But then, last night, Fr. Robinson’s denomination decided to just say the true stuff, out loud.

Here’s the statement put out by the Anglican Catholic Church:​
At approximately 3:00 pm today (1/29) members of the College of Bishops of the ACC were made aware of a post made on X showing the end of a speech made by Calvin Robinson at the National Pro-Life Summit in Washington, DC. In it, he closed his comments with a gesture that many have interpreted as a pro-Nazi salute.
While we cannot say what was in Mr. Robinson’s heart when he did this, his action appears to have been an attempt to curry favor with certain elements of the American political right by provoking its opposition. Mr. Robinson had been warned that online trolling and other such actions (whether in service of the left or right) are incompatible with a priestly vocation and was told to desist. Clearly, he has not, and as such, his license in this Church has been revoked. He is no longer serving as a priest in the ACC.
Furthermore, we understand that this is not just an administrative matter. The Holocaust was an episode of unspeakable horror, enacted by a regime of evil men. We condemn Nazi ideology and anti-Semitism in all its forms. And we believe that those who mimic the Nazi salute, even as a joke or an attempt to troll their opponents, trivialize the horror of the Holocaust and diminish the sacrifice of those who fought against its perpetrators. Such actions are harmful, divisive, and contrary to the tenets of Christian charity.
Finally, we pray that God will give us grace to lay aside our unhappy divisions, and we commend our nation and ourselves to his Almighty protection.

Hallelujah.

Father Mr. Robinson was not innocently saying, “My heart goes out to you.” He was not making an awkward gesture. His actions not attributable to neurodivergence.
He was doing a Nazi salute. He knew he was doing a Nazi salute. And the purpose of his Nazi salute was to make the audience laugh and cheer about how, man, don’t the shitlibs get so triggered by Nazi salutes these days?

The ACC was willing to say these obvious truths out loud and then impose consequences. Someone who would do such a thing cannot be a Christian minister, whatever they might call themselves. So the ACC defrocked him.

Making that statement and imposing that consequence was not a distraction. It did not give Robinson what he wanted.
It was an act of moral clarity and a net good for society.

There’s a lesson here for all of us: It’s okay to just say that stuff like this is wrong.​


But at the end of the day, it’s not really about Calvin Robinson. There will always be people like him in the world.

The real issue is the people on either side of him: the audience who laughed and applauded his Nazi salute on and then his church which defrocked him for it.

In a healthy society, both of those groups would have rejected Robinson. The audience would have turned its back on him. Students for Life (the organization that put on the National Pro-Life Summit) would have escorted him out of the building, told him to never come back, and apologized to the crowd for platforming him in the first place. At least some of the luminaries who wound up on the same card as Robinson would have made some sort of denial, saying, “Yeah, that’s forked up. Do not endorse.”

I have not seen any such sentiments from the other speakers or Students for Life. but it’s possible I’m missing something.

That neither the audience nor the people behind the National Pro-Life Summit had the same moral clarity and courage to act as the Anglican Catholic Church bishops did is not surprising, but it is disappointing.

Especially since the ACC gave them cover. All they would have had to do was say, “I agree with the bishops of his church. What Robinson did was wrong.”


The end.​
 
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His smug little smirk. What a jackass.
Boggles my mind why more organizations can't react calmly and firmly like the Anglican Catholic Church did here. It's not rocket surgery. 🤷‍♂️

Limp-wristed capitulation to these a-holes is almost worse than the a-hole MAGA behavior itself, IMO. At least it's more frustrating.
 
Saw a panel YouTube with Scott Jennings making light of it or defending it. One of the other panelist went nuts on him. Evidently she’s Jewish. So Scott if the salute is no big deal. Do it right now. Right here on TV.
 
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"Father Mr. Robinson was not innocently saying, “My heart goes out to you.” He was not making an awkward gesture. His actions not attributable to neurodivergence."

Agree 100% !

Yes, in contrast to Elon, Mr. Robinson's gesture was an intentional Nazi salute.

The church did well to can him.

Common ground at last, at last.

Amen Brother!
 
"Father Mr. Robinson was not innocently saying, “My heart goes out to you.” He was not making an awkward gesture. His actions not attributable to neurodivergence."

Agree 100% !

Yes, in contrast to Elon, Mr. Robinson's gesture was an intentional Nazi salute.

The church did well to can him.

Common ground at last, at last.

Amen Brother!
You realize he was DOING the Elon gesture on purpose, right?

I mean, you can't actually be this dumb, RIGHT?

Paul Rudd Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
The fact that you need to come in and defend every person that does an actual Nazi salute on purpose shows a lot about your character. But, it's nothing we all didn't know about you, anyway.
Only 17 of these nonsense tantrum threads so far. I see you losers have learned nothing since November so now all you get is open mockery. You're welcome.
 
You realize he was DOING the Elon gesture on purpose, right?

I mean, you can't actually be this dumb, RIGHT?

Paul Rudd Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live

I actually think that they know it was. They are using lies, gaslighting, and acting obtuse to simp for the world's richest man. Basically, instead of having a conversation they are trying to play a game of manipulation.
 
You realize he was DOING the Elon gesture on purpose, right?

I mean, you can't actually be this dumb, RIGHT?

Paul Rudd Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live

I actually think that they know it was. They are using lies, gaslighting, and acting obtuse to simp for the world's richest man. Basically, instead of having a conversation they are trying to play a game of manipulation.

My gosh, are your cynical little minds working overtime!

Well had I recently been kicked in the head by a donkey I'm pretty sure even then, after reading BOTH the bulwark dude and the OP, I'd finally get the Father's intent.

No gaslighting or manipulative efforts going on either.

I am PAINFULLY aware neither of you think Elon's gesture was benign. Was just trying for a lil good-natured fun. I thought it was sufficiently over the top.

Maybe you guys should take yourselves a little bit less seriously and maybe, just maybe, give someone a lil credit every once in a while 🤷‍♂️.

Can't keep spoon-feeding y'all ;).
 
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My gosh, are your cynical little minds working overtime!

Well had I recently been kicked in the head by a donkey I'm pretty sure even then, after reading BOTH the bulwark dude and the OP, I'd finally get the Father's intent.

No gaslighting or manipulative efforts going on either.

I am PAINFULLY aware neither of you think Elon's gesture was benign. Was just trying for a lil good-natured fun. I thought it was sufficiently over the top.

Maybe you guys should take yourselves a little bit less seriously and maybe, just maybe, give someone a lil credit every once in a while 🤷‍♂️.

Can't keep spoon-feeding y'all ;).
Humor falls a little flat when millions of people seriously believe what you think is a joke
 
I actually think that they know it was. They are using lies, gaslighting, and acting obtuse to simp for the world's richest man. Basically, instead of having a conversation they are trying to play a game of manipulation.

That or it's really really embarrassing to wake up to the fact that you've attached your personality to the world's richest dork.
 
I know all the pouty humorless libs here WON'T find this funny, but it DOES poke a little bit of fun at cons too.

Now lighten up a little, ya'll !

(and @BelemNole ... that goes double for you!)

 
"Father Mr. Robinson was not innocently saying, “My heart goes out to you.” He was not making an awkward gesture. His actions not attributable to neurodivergence."

Agree 100% !

Yes, in contrast to Elon, Mr. Robinson's gesture was an intentional Nazi salute.

The church did well to can him.

Common ground at last, at last.

Amen Brother!
This face just screams from the heart. I can see the confusion

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My gosh, are your cynical little minds working overtime!

Well had I recently been kicked in the head by a donkey I'm pretty sure even then, after reading BOTH the bulwark dude and the OP, I'd finally get the Father's intent.

No gaslighting or manipulative efforts going on either.

I am PAINFULLY aware neither of you think Elon's gesture was benign. Was just trying for a lil good-natured fun. I thought it was sufficiently over the top.

Maybe you guys should take yourselves a little bit less seriously and maybe, just maybe, give someone a lil credit every once in a while 🤷‍♂️.

Can't keep spoon-feeding y'all ;).
Fine. We will chalk you up as garden variety dumbass.

Shit, at least if you were gaslighting it would show a modicum of intelligence.


Ts and Ps.
 
Watching certain posters here flail to defend or deflect away from things they can just reject has been wild over the last several days.
 
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