He is serious, that's what makes his comments about Moss so funny. In ownehawk's mind Moss & Cook are the worst players in Iowa bball history.
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He is serious, that's what makes his comments about Moss so funny. In ownehawk's mind Moss & Cook are the worst players in Iowa bball history.
How is it you know with complete certainty that there's nothing the coaches might have done differently? ("forgetting about him" on the bench as Fran said...would seem to introduce some sliver of doubt).
I get that you think IM's shortcomings are on him...but there's no way you can blanket state that there's nothing else the staff might have done to develop him. Hell...even the coaches don't know that for sure.
How is it that you know with complete certainty that there is something that the coaches might have done differently? Dude was given every chance to succeed and improve, yet didn't.
Dude...did you even read what you copied and posted. I didn't say "IT'S ALL FRAN'S FAULT"...which seems to what you read for some reason. It's a QUESTION, a suggestion, a possibility... not a statement of complete certainty. I don't know what the combination of blame is... 90/10, 50/50 or whatever. BBHawk seems damn certain that it's 100/0.
I think any coach would ask themselves "Could I have done something better or differently?"...just like any player should. Maybe they come up with...No, we gave it our best shot. Is that really so ground breaking and controversial that coaching plays some role in this?
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My Hawg guy, after telling me that Blackshear is likely transferring to Arkansas, is now telling me it’s between Iowa and Kansas(duh) but right now it’s an Iowa lean. That 80% diminished pretty quickly to a lean. Let’s call this source less than reliable moving forward lol. If I was a betting man I would wager IM ends up at Kansas and Blackshear at Kentucky.
Definitely serious. You can’t be serious that you don’t think that is a possibility.
Best player on the floor is a giant stretch, even at “times”. Some people on this board have an obsession with propping up Moss to be a lot better player then he actually was. Just because he could occasionally get hot from deep doesn’t mean he still wasn’t highly flawed or below average in a lot of other phases of the game. He is and always has been a pretty one-dimensional player.
How about putting it on Moss to get better?? Coach can't force the player to become something he thinks maybe he already is.
Agreed. I simply suggested that you have to consider all involved parties, coaching is part of the equation too...which was apparently a no-go zone for some.
It’s not a no-go zone but there seem to be some that think it isn’t primarily on Moss, which it is.
Coaches can only do so much, the player has to take ownership and put in th work...no doubt.
Moss was an inefficient volume shooter who typically failed to contribute in other phases of the game. He didn’t drawl fouls; he didn’t play make for others; he had poor handles; he didn’t rebound despite his size; and struggled finishing around any contact. He shot threes (inconsistently) and lots of contested pull up long twos. That is not a great player. I think Fran used him correctly.
At a place like Kansas, he’s going to be told to stand in the corner and make open 3s and do little else. He’s going to be an Ellingson or Oglesby for them.
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He needs to check his ego at the door and pick a mid major. He will get more minutes, more touches, more shots and will be able to showcase his overall game more than at Arkansas or especially Kansas. There are a ton of decent mid major options, too many to list.
Starting to sound like there might be maturity or personality issues. The move from a secure starting position on an NCAA team was strange. Jumping to Arkansas and then jumping to an unknown destination is not a profile in stability.
Isaiah started for three years. He was often the focal point of the offense. Isaiah improved significantly. It cannot be fairly said that he was held back by the coaches-at least not uniquely; I guess someone could be so bitter about the staff that they assume every player is limited by playing for F McC.
The transfer may have been related to Cook. Maybe Isaiah's only friend on the team was TC. Most of the Iowa team played together or against each other in Iowa HS ball and AAU club play. I can see how an out of state kid might feel that he's just not in the club, so to speak. That doesn't explain the flip on Arkansas-although an actual trip to Arkansas - a place where the fans actually squeal like pigs and snort like hogs - might have scared him off.
Isaiah started for three years. He was often the focal point of the offense. Isaiah improved significantly. It cannot be fairly said that he was held back by the coaches-at least not uniquely; I guess someone could be so bitter about the staff that they assume every player is limited by playing for F McC.
The transfer may have been related to Cook. Maybe Isaiah's only friend on the team was TC. Most of the Iowa team played together or against each other in Iowa HS ball and AAU club play. I can see how an out of state kid might feel that he's just not in the club, so to speak. That doesn't explain the flip on Arkansas-although an actual trip to Arkansas - a place where the fans actually squeal like pigs and snort like hogs - might have scared him off.
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Are you sure he earned his degree? Because my understanding was that he still had work to do.
Honestly, he can contribute exactly as much at Kansas as he did for Iowa (hopefully disappearing in fewer games) and he would have increased exposure resulting in a net benefit to him. This makes a lot more sense than Arkansas
Better fit for him there, too. No one plays defense in the Big 12 so he won't stand out because of that...
I find it completely surreal that Moss may be playing for Kansas.
Moss not good enough to play for Iowa,according to some fans but Self takes him at KU....guy is clearly an idiot on BB. ..our fans are smarter coaches
Watch games and form your own opinion instead of critizing others for their opinion.
Is that what they mean when they say "Once a Hawk, always a Hawk"?
I would have rather seen him go somewhere else than to a team the Cyclones have to play two or three times a year.
I would have rather seen him go somewhere else than to a team the Cyclones have to play two or three times a year.
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Isn't that against the rules? Not that the rules matter at KU, of course. Or are you just joking?
Exactly. People aren’t saying Moss isn’t good enough to play for Iowa but what a lot of fans (objective ones) have been saying is that he really wasn’t that good of an all-around player and his loss wouldn’t be that big for Iowa. That’s based off of 3 years of fans watching him play. I sometimes wonder if all the people having a heart attack about Moss leaving have actually watched him play every game and not just a few of the random good shooting games he had.
A lot of fans have been asking for an upgrade at starting SG and we will find out this year if we finally have it.
What is likely going to be required of him at Kansas will be a lot different then at Iowa. He likely is just going to be a spot-up shooter off the bench sitting on the wing waiting for their better guards to penetrate and kick out.
If he can hit open 3’s and do his job, I’m sure they will be pretty happy with his results. If Self or Kansas fans are expecting him to be the starting SG and relying on him as one of their best players, they likely will be disappointed and probably not be having a typical “Kansas” year. I have feeling that is not what Self is expecting out of him.
I watched one Kansas game from beginning to end last year, the B12 championship game. Kansas undoubtedly lost that game because they couldn't hit a shot to save their lives. They went 3/18 from 3, shooting 16%. It sounds like they desperately need a guard who doesn't do much other than stand in the corner and drain 3's. Moss is the perfect guy for that role.
I think Moss will be to Kansas what Bakari Evelyn will be to Iowa: a role player who will be asked to hit open shots, handle the ball a bit, but not much more than that.
I think Moss will be to Kansas what Bakari Evelyn will be to Iowa: a role player who will be asked to hit open shots, handle the ball a bit, but not much more than that.
I know he has good numbers but i never considered Moss a "sharpshooter" like some people are claiming
I never did, either. In fact, when he lit up ISU this year, I bitched that we hit one of his hot streaks.
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