MSU just needs to be shut down.....Disgusting pukes..........
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How much smoke does there have to be to convince some people that there is an actual fire at MSU? The football & basketball teams are out of control. They had a doctor (or trainer?) assaulting women for years. Guys get out of jail on Tuesday and play on Saturday. Coaches turn a blind eye. It's disgraceful.
It is time for the MSU coaches to face some serious disciplinary action, even if they are heros to most Spartan fans.
The entire athletic dept is the issue. Title IX investigation needs to shut it down.
"Kowalski was an 18-year-old freshman journalism major when, on the night of April 11, 2015, she met some MSU basketball players at a bar in East Lansing, according to her lawsuit."
This is not a blame the victim comment, just an honest question: Does East Lansing have different laws for allowing minors in a bar?
This is not a blame the victim comment, just an honest question: Does East Lansing have different laws for allowing minors in a bar?
And there is more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/sports/michigan-state-rape.html#click=https://t.co/6073Jp65zL
SHUT THE ***** DOWN!!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/sports/michigan-state-rape.html#click=https://t.co/6073Jp65zL
SHUT THE ***** DOWN!!!!
A serious question in all of this. Why is it that the police are not automatically contacted when a woman says she was raped? Putting the schools in charge of handling allegations like this is fair to no one, certainly not the victim and not the accused either.
Yes, I don't get this. If a student goes to anyone associated with the school and indicates they have been sexually assaulted the very first step should be to have the student report it to the police and let them handle the entire investigation. And it any punishment is to be handed down, it should be by the law, not the school. I would think the schools would want to wash their hands of these situations and say law enforcement is handing everything (unless of course they are trying to protect their own people or protect the schools/programs reputation......which shouldn't take precedence over a potential criminal investigation but we know that isn't always the case).
MSU's Title IX investigation into Kowalski's report against the three players was one of 35 sexual violence and related misconduct complaints filed against MSU athletes since fall 2012
Thirty-effing-five?!?!?!
Thirty-effing-five?!?!?!
Forgot about that. You are correct....well played!Not true. I heard that Western MI faces serious consequences for this...
No wonder Dantonio and Izzo have two of the most angry resting bitch faces of all coaches.
Agree. The school "may" be equipped to handle some counseling, but an investigation? No way should that be entrusted to the school that has a conflict of interest (i.e. protecting the school).
Also, why would a women in this situation go to the school anyway? If a woman gets raped by an another employee where she works, does she go to Human Resources?
Part of the issue is that kids are taught that the school has resources to help them, which may seem like a less invasive way of reporting, understanding your options, and getting help.
Unfortunately it often seems like these “resources” are really just a filter to keep things quiet.
Unfortunately it often seems like these “resources” are really just a filter to keep things quiet.
No matter how many "games" Iowa wins, there is no way, NO WAY, the fans or the media here would put up with this. Just look at PP, Saterfield, maybe a couple of other names I can't remember - the media and the fans were all over it. A great number of fans, and the media, were pretty vocal (rightfully so) about the rhabdo "incident" - which is a dam far cry from sexual assault.
This is a supposed institution of HIGHER LEARNING - where are the adults? 35 in 7 years??
Found this little nugget in a report to the Trustees -
"This fall (2018) we welcome our largest entering class ever, 8,442 new undergraduates, including a record 4,415 women. They come having achieved an average high school GPA of 3.73, continuing the steady upward trajectory seen in recent years, and include 2,032 students of color, a record high 26.3% of the domestic total.
Would you let your daughter go to MSU?
Would you let your daughter go to MSU?
I told my daughter that her College Savings fund I've been contributing to since she was born is GONE if she tries to go to MSU, since that would mean I raised her too stupid to handle college.
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Any evidence that the coaches turned a blind eye or are you just gonna lump them in with Nassar?
Someone "accusing" someone of rape means MSU needs to be shut down? Odd. Maybe hear both sides of the story first and wait for facts to come out?
Just because Larry Nassar was a monster doesn't mean this is true....
Yep, this is certainly the first time we've heard about this crap coming from your hoodlum school.
You guys might just be worse than pedd state! Crawl into your hole lil fella.
does title ix actually do anything when it comes to things that really matter?
5 second google search. Hope you're not bragging about a degree......
https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-...umatic-gang-rape-basketball/story?id=62331180
The Monster, Larry Nassar, and the couple of people that helped cover up his crimes doesn't mean every person at Michigan State is a Scumbag. It doesn't mean Tom Izzo condones sexual assault. It doesn't mean that this story is factual.
Believe what you want. I'm sure if some girl accused players on the Iowa basketball team of rape, they would be automatically guilty, and Fran should be fired right? No actually waiting for the facts to come out before saying anything.
What do you mean 5 second google search Chief? There's been no facts that have came out about the story. Just an accusation from the victim.
What are you talking about?
Hope you're not bragging about a degree...
Before the latest gang rape that is now in the news, these were the other 2 gang rapes (that we know of; are there more??) that occurred under Tom Izzo's watch.
GANG RAPE # 1: The Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police.
GANG RAPE # 2: The 2nd gang rape involved 2 of Izzo's players, Payne & Appling; this case was turned over to the Title IX office only after public outrage and news coverage.
Payne and Appling was not a rape. It was investigated by multiple parties that determined no crime was committed. This was known back in 2010. When it was put in the ESPN OTL piece last year, none of that was new. It was well known 9 years ago. There was nothing covered up. It was a case well known so I have no idea what you are talking about. Public outrage?
BTW an allegation of something is not a "rape." Do you have facts that a rape actually occurred?
Izzo won't pay a recruit to come to MSU, but yeah, I am sure he is all for covering up sexual assaults....smfh.
How can you say Izzo covered something up when there's no facts that a (any) rape occurred?
Again, just because Larry Nassar was a monster and there was some awful people at MSU doesn't mean Tom Izzo is one of them.
The Payne and Appling story wasn't new dude. Nothing was covered up. It was well known 9 years ago. It just wasn't to random fans like you Iowa guys until the ESPN OTL piece. Nothing was covered up by Izzo.
If waiting for facts isn't something you like to do, then so be it.
If you think Tom Izzo is condoning his players committing sexual assault, then I'm not sure what to say.
I get that you dislike him because he owns Iowa and is a great coach, but he's not a scumbag like Larry Nassar.
There are a lot of teams that OWN fran....do you see us talking about them?
Nice try rapist.
We all know winning is all you care about.
Actually, no. Show me facts that the crimes occurred and Tom Izzo helped cover them up, and I will bash him right with you. Until then...nah.
Nice to see how ignorant you are though my man.
You clearly are an ignorant fool.
Izzo turned a blind eye on several occasions.
Here are 2 examples:
(1) Interesting that you do not comment on Travis Walton punching a girl in a bar when he was an assistant under Izzo and living in Izzo's basement. You have asked how do we know that Izzo covered it up? Seriously? Travis Walton was living in Izzo's basement when he was arrested. Izzo did not punish/suspend Walton for punching a girl in the face!
(2) Interesting, too, that you do not comment on the Travis Walton (asst coach) + 2 player (names unknown) gang rape that was investigated by Izzo & the AD; it was never reported to the Title IX office (as required by federal law) or to the police. You have asked how do we know that Izzo covered it up? You are an idiot because it is CLEAR Izzo covered it up because it was reported that Izzo talked to his team and that is all he did. The AD did nothing as well. It was all kept quiet and within the athletic dept.
So there you go. TWO examples of Izzo turning a blind eye.
actually, there should be both a police investigation and a Title IX investigation going on at the same time.
A police investigation could lead to charges & prosecution.
The Title IX investigation could lead to expulsion from the school, regardless of the the police investigation findings.
Remember the Minny 10 football player gang rape allegation?
* The police did not press charges.
However,
* The Title IX office recommended expulsion of several of the 10 players.
The woman said that THIS GANG RAPE occurred just after MSU’s 2015 Final Four run. The three players are not identified by name in the lawsuit.
This is from the Detroit Free Press & they nail it.
MSU’s Counseling Center should be a safe haven for scared young people in their most vulnerable hour. If the school’s counselors aren’t believing victims of sexual assault and, instead, are protecting their alleged perpetrators, beloved athletes in this case, MSU is sicker than we realized.
This is what all of Nassar’s victims were shouting about. This, in part, is what ESPN was reporting — that MSU’s athletic department had a role in this sickness.
Know this: Very few women lie about this. The percentages are in the single digits, according to several advocacy groups.Reporting a sexual assault is a miserable, traumatizing, toxic experience.
Imagine being all but turned away.
The young woman in this case, who remains enrolled at MSU, alleges the following in the lawsuit:
-When she disclosed to the counselor that the three attackers were notable MSU athletes, members of the basketball team, the counselor suddenly announced that she needed another person in the room with her and the plaintiff. The counselor’s demeanor completely changed.
-She was told by the MSU Counseling Center staff that they had seen a lot of these cases with “guys with big names" and the best thing to do is to “just get yourself better,” implying to her that it would not be in her best interest to report the incident to law enforcement.
-She was expressly told that “if you pursue this, you are going to be swimming with some really big fish.”
-The MSUCC staff did not notify her of her option to report the rape(s) to the Office of Institutional Equity. Nor did they notify her of her Title IX rights, protections and accommodations.
-The MSUCC staff referred her to the Michigan State University Sexual Assault Program. Because she felt so discouraged and frightened after her encounter at the MSUCC, she did not seek assistance from that program until 10 months later. Nor did she report her assault to police.
It’s a stunning dose of callousness and malfeasance. After a gang rape.
And, if this is in fact how the university responded, what are the odds it’s an isolated reaction?
We already know it’s not an isolated sexual assault involving MSU athletes.
...among the reasons Izzo is paid so handsomely is that buck stops with him. He can’t control what his players do. But if they do wrong, it reflects on his program. On him.
For the university, a reckoning is coming. Nassar’s victims have done what MSU wouldn’t — make other sexual assault victims feel safe coming forward.
The worst, for MSU, might be yet to come.
LINK: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...ee-basketball-players-couch-column/504714002/
This is from the Detroit Free Press & they nail it.
MSU’s Counseling Center should be a safe haven for scared young people in their most vulnerable hour. If the school’s counselors aren’t believing victims of sexual assault and, instead, are protecting their alleged perpetrators, beloved athletes in this case, MSU is sicker than we realized.
This is what all of Nassar’s victims were shouting about. This, in part, is what ESPN was reporting — that MSU’s athletic department had a role in this sickness.
Know this: Very few women lie about this. The percentages are in the single digits, according to several advocacy groups.Reporting a sexual assault is a miserable, traumatizing, toxic experience.
Imagine being all but turned away.
The young woman in this case, who remains enrolled at MSU, alleges the following in the lawsuit:
-When she disclosed to the counselor that the three attackers were notable MSU athletes, members of the basketball team, the counselor suddenly announced that she needed another person in the room with her and the plaintiff. The counselor’s demeanor completely changed.
-She was told by the MSU Counseling Center staff that they had seen a lot of these cases with “guys with big names" and the best thing to do is to “just get yourself better,” implying to her that it would not be in her best interest to report the incident to law enforcement.
-She was expressly told that “if you pursue this, you are going to be swimming with some really big fish.”
-The MSUCC staff did not notify her of her option to report the rape(s) to the Office of Institutional Equity. Nor did they notify her of her Title IX rights, protections and accommodations.
-The MSUCC staff referred her to the Michigan State University Sexual Assault Program. Because she felt so discouraged and frightened after her encounter at the MSUCC, she did not seek assistance from that program until 10 months later. Nor did she report her assault to police.
It’s a stunning dose of callousness and malfeasance. After a gang rape.
And, if this is in fact how the university responded, what are the odds it’s an isolated reaction?
We already know it’s not an isolated sexual assault involving MSU athletes.
...among the reasons Izzo is paid so handsomely is that buck stops with him. He can’t control what his players do. But if they do wrong, it reflects on his program. On him.
For the university, a reckoning is coming. Nassar’s victims have done what MSU wouldn’t — make other sexual assault victims feel safe coming forward.
The worst, for MSU, might be yet to come.
LINK: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...ee-basketball-players-couch-column/504714002/
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Yes. 35 accusations against athletes since 2012. A coach that doesn't take strong action is turning a blind eye.
How about a football player getting out of jail and playing that week.
We have credible allegations or worse against football, basketball, gymnastics and questionable behavior in volleyball.
The entire administration has been in trouble from their behavior leading to changes from the top down.
Giving the entire athletic department one year suspension would serve notice that the cancer that is MSU athletics win at all costs will not be tolerated.
We have credible allegations or worse against football, basketball, gymnastics and questionable behavior in volleyball.
The entire administration has been in trouble from their behavior leading to changes from the top down.
Giving the entire athletic department one year suspension would serve notice that the cancer that is MSU athletics win at all costs will not be tolerated.
In my opinion, there should be an on-duty officer at locations where you report this stuff; there should always be a report filed in these situations, creating a paper trail of accountability for everyone. A police report by no means is evidence of guilt, but a way to maintain a record of the event so school officials don't mess it up. Institutions know damn well when they're dealing with student-athletes in a successful program that sometimes ethical issues arise and things get brushed under the rug, or its assumed that these high-profile kids aren't capable of such things, or at least officials tell themselves that.
If shit goes on involving your athletic department, the AD is ultimately responsible. If shit goes on involving member of a team or coaches of that team, the head coach is responsible. Clearly, way too much shit has been going on at MSU for almost a decade, if not longer. It is time to hold those responsible accountable.
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