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National Archives asks Justice Dept. to investigate Trump’s handling of White House records

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The National Archives and Records Administration has asked the Justice Department to examine Donald Trump’s handling of White House records, sparking discussions among federal law enforcement officials about whether they should investigate the former president for a possible crime, according to two people familiar with the matter.
The referral from the National Archives came amid recent revelations that officials recovered 15 boxes of materials from the former president’s Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida that were not handed back in to the government as they should have been, and that Trump had turned over other White House records that had been torn up. Archives officials suspected Trump had possibly violated laws concerning the handling of government documents — including those that might be considered classified — and reached out to the Justice Department, the people familiar with the matter said.
The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a politically sensitive request. The two people said the discussions about the matter remained preliminary, and it was not yet clear whether the Justice Department would investigate. The department also might be interested in merely reclaiming classified materials. A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.
‘He never stopped ripping things up’: Inside Trump’s relentless document destruction habits
Trump’s years-long defiance of the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of memos, letters, notes, emails, faxes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties, has long raised concerns among historians and legal observers. His penchant for ripping up official documents was first reported by Politico in 2018, but it has drawn new scrutiny in recent weeks because of a House select committee’s investigation of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
The Washington Post reported late last month that some of the White House records the National Archives turned over to the committee appeared to have been torn apart and then taped back together. The Post later found — and the Archives confirmed — that officials had recovered 15 boxes of presidential records from Mar-a-Lago.
The materials they recovered included correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that Trump once described as “love letters,” as well as a letter left for Trump by President Barack Obama, people familiar with the matter said. The National Archives also retrieved a map of Hurricane Dorian that had been altered with a black marker by Trump in a failed attempt to show he had not been wrong about the storm’s path, according to a person familiar with the contents of the boxes. The Archives in a statement earlier this week said Trump representatives were “continuing to search” for additional records.
In a statement Wednesday, Trump said he had engaged in “collaborative and respectful” discussions with the Archives and had arranged for the “transport of boxes that contained Presidential Records in compliance with the Presidential Records Act.” He said that the media had falsely characterized his relationship with the National Archives and Records Administration as hostile and that it was a “great honor” to work with the agency.
“Much of this material will someday be displayed in the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library for the public to view my Administration’s incredible accomplishments for the American People,” he said.
The chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which has jurisdiction over the National Archives, said this week that reports about torn and missing White House documents provided “a shocking example of long-standing loopholes that exist in our current federal records laws.”
Sen. Gary C. Peters (D-Mich.) said in a statement that “Congress must take action … to ensure that every administration is appropriately handling and preserving important records related to the President’s official duties.” Peters is working on legislation to strengthen records laws and plans to hold hearings on the topic in coming months, a Peters staffer said.
Substantiating a criminal case against Trump — and perhaps even launching a criminal investigation — could be difficult.


 
Legal experts and analysts have noted that the National Archives lacks a real enforcement mechanism, and all recent administrations have had some violations of federal records laws — most often involving the use of unofficial email and telephone accounts.
Federal law makes it a crime to destroy government records, but it requires that a person know specifically they are breaking the law when doing so. That could be difficult to do for Trump, who advisers say tore up documents out of habit, leaving staffers to retrieve and reassemble piles of torn paper. According to people familiar with the matter, Trump had been counseled by at least two chiefs of staff and the White House counsel to follow the law on preserving documents.
In January 2021, in the waning days of the Trump presidency, some administration staffers also raised flags that some of the gifts Trump had received as president still remained in the White House rather than being properly turned over to the National Archives, said two former staffers familiar with the warning, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share details of a potentially problematic practice. In the final days of the Trump administration, the packing was rushed and aides were concerned that personal items were being mixed with official items, according to former administration officials.
“There was quite a bit of concern about the amount of mixing of personal effects with gifts that had been received during his time in office, which I’m sure in a traditional White House would have immediately been processed and given to the Archives,” one of the former staffers said. “But in the Trump White House, it was scattered throughout the West Wing, displayed behind glass, in the private dining room and in the private residence on the second floor.”
The concern now is that many of those gifts and other government documents improperly made their way to Trump’s private Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla. This former staffer said, for instance, that after leaving the White House, Trump displayed a mini model of one of the black border-wall slats — with an engraved plaque on top — on his desk in his private office at Mar-a-Lago. Previously, as president, Trump had kept the item on the credenza in the private dining room just off the Oval Office, next to some challenge coins he had been given.
During Trump’s 2016 campaign, as well as his presidency, building a wall at the nation’s southern border became a rallying cry for Trump and his supporters, and as president, Trump become deeply involved with the minutia of the wall’s design. Trump specifically wanted the wall to be a steel bollard fence painted in “flat black” — a dark color known to absorb heat that could make the wall too hot for climbers to scale — and with sharp spikes on top, to appear more intimidating to would-be climbers.
Trump also took with him a model of the Air Force One redesign he had proposed — replacing the Boeing 747’s baby blue with a dark blue belly and a similarly dark red stripe — when he left the White House. As president, Trump displayed the model redesign of Air Force One on a table in the Oval Office; now, it sits in a similar place of honor at his private Florida club, atop a coffee table at the entrance to Mar-a-Lago’s opulent gold-plated lobby room, which guests pass through to get to the patio.
It also could be a legal problem if significant amounts of classified material were among the materials at Mar-a-Lago, though it is hardly unheard of for former government officials to have such material outside appropriate government storage channels. It was not immediately clear whether classified documents were among those at Mar-a-Lago.
As president, Trump would have had virtually unlimited ability to disseminate classified materials, and prosecuting him even as a former official would bring significant challenges. To substantiate a criminal case, prosecutors would have to prove that, once out of office, he intentionally mishandled the material or was grossly negligent in doing so.
Hillary Clinton, Trump’s opponent in 2016, was famously investigated by the FBI for possibly mishandling classified information in connection with her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state. That investigation began after a referral from the intelligence community’s inspector general.
Investigators found 110 emails that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received in the group of 30,000 that Clinton later turned over for review. The Justice Department ultimately did not bring criminal charges, after the FBI decided that Clinton did not act with the intent necessary to substantiate a case. On the campaign trail, Trump called for Clinton to be jailed over the matter.
Two Trump advisers said that they were aware of no investigation and that their conversations had been cordial with the National Archives. Alex Cannon, a longtime Trump lawyer, has been a point of contact for the Archives, two people familiar with the matter said.
 
Given the briefings and training we received on records maintenance, storage and disposition, I can't imagine WH staff doesn't received more thorough training. Which would mean there's nothing accidental about taking official records out of the WH.
 
Given the briefings and training we received on records maintenance, storage and disposition, I can't imagine WH staff doesn't received more thorough training. Which would mean there's nothing accidental about taking official records out of the WH.
Looks like someone didn't read the thoughtful posts about burn bags in the Marine Corps. Nothing to see here. Move along, folks.
 
Given the briefings and training we received on records maintenance, storage and disposition, I can't imagine WH staff doesn't received more thorough training. Which would mean there's nothing accidental about taking official records out of the WH.


IMCC965


Granted this is the Marine Corp Inst., however, each branch has it's own instruction on how to handle burn bags, etc. The purpose of posting this is to show that this is a common practice where classified material is handled TO INCLUDE the White House. Please notice the burn bag destruction site is at the Pentagon. Lots of classified material and VERY important people work there with access to all types of classified materials.

https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/ar/Bra...dustrial-Security/Accountability-and-Control/

UNIT HOMEBRANCHESSECURITY PROGRAMS AND INFORMATION MANAGEMENTINFORMATION PERSONNEL AND INDUSTRIAL SECURITYACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTROL

Security Programs and Information Management Branch



Security Programs and Information Management Branch​

Administration and Resource Management​

Headquarters Marine Corps

ACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTROL


Accountability & Control: The HQMC Security Manager is the focal point for control, distribution, and disposition of all classified material at HQMC. All classified material will be stored in a GSA approved security container, vault, modular vault, or secure room. Top Secret material will be accounted for via the Classified Document Control Catalog (CDCC) and properly stored, and safeguarded at all times. The CDCC is the control and accountability tool utilized by all HQMC Staff Agencies/Activities for Top Secret material, Secret Hard-Disk-Drives (HDD), and classified media created using the “write-to-removable media” function. Working papers classified Top Secret must be controlled and treated as a final document. Personnel hand carrying classified material outside, require a Courier Authorization Card issued by HQMC Security Office.

Destruction: HQMC controlled material may be returned to ARS for destruction or destroyed locally at the HQMC Staff Agency/Activity level by appropriate and approved means. Destruction must be in accordance with DoD M-5200.01. Burn Bag destruction at the Naval Support Facility Arlington is held every Thursday, at 0815. Drop off location for Burns Bags is the loading dock located on the 1st Floor of Building 12. Burn Bag destruction at the Pentagon is held Monday through Friday (Expect the 3rd Thursday of each month) from 0800-0900 and again from 1100-1200. Burn Bags must be brought to the Remote Delivery Facility (RDF) located in the basement of Corridor 5. A burn bag receipt DD Form 2843 will accompany the material for destruction. The outside of each bag will be annotated with the highest classification of the contents, the media type if other than paper, section and POC telephone number. Burn bags must be sealed at the top and not weigh more than 10 lbs or be more than 3/4 full.

Reproduction: Reproduction of classified material (e.g. paper copies, electronic files, and other materials) shall only be conducted as necessary to accomplish the Staff Agency/Activity mission or comply with applicable statues or directives.​
 

IMCC965


Granted this is the Marine Corp Inst., however, each branch has it's own instruction on how to handle burn bags, etc. The purpose of posting this is to show that this is a common practice where classified material is handled TO INCLUDE the White House. Please notice the burn bag destruction site is at the Pentagon. Lots of classified material and VERY important people work there with access to all types of classified materials.​

https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/ar/Bra...dustrial-Security/Accountability-and-Control/

UNIT HOMEBRANCHESSECURITY PROGRAMS AND INFORMATION MANAGEMENTINFORMATION PERSONNEL AND INDUSTRIAL SECURITYACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTROL​

Security Programs and Information Management Branch

Security Programs and Information Management Branch​

Administration and Resource Management​

Headquarters Marine Corps​

ACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTROL​

Accountability & Control: The HQMC Security Manager is the focal point for control, distribution, and disposition of all classified material at HQMC. All classified material will be stored in a GSA approved security container, vault, modular vault, or secure room. Top Secret material will be accounted for via the Classified Document Control Catalog (CDCC) and properly stored, and safeguarded at all times. The CDCC is the control and accountability tool utilized by all HQMC Staff Agencies/Activities for Top Secret material, Secret Hard-Disk-Drives (HDD), and classified media created using the “write-to-removable media” function. Working papers classified Top Secret must be controlled and treated as a final document. Personnel hand carrying classified material outside, require a Courier Authorization Card issued by HQMC Security Office.​

Destruction: HQMC controlled material may be returned to ARS for destruction or destroyed locally at the HQMC Staff Agency/Activity level by appropriate and approved means. Destruction must be in accordance with DoD M-5200.01. Burn Bag destruction at the Naval Support Facility Arlington is held every Thursday, at 0815. Drop off location for Burns Bags is the loading dock located on the 1st Floor of Building 12. Burn Bag destruction at the Pentagon is held Monday through Friday (Expect the 3rd Thursday of each month) from 0800-0900 and again from 1100-1200. Burn Bags must be brought to the Remote Delivery Facility (RDF) located in the basement of Corridor 5. A burn bag receipt DD Form 2843 will accompany the material for destruction. The outside of each bag will be annotated with the highest classification of the contents, the media type if other than paper, section and POC telephone number. Burn bags must be sealed at the top and not weigh more than 10 lbs or be more than 3/4 full.​

Reproduction: Reproduction of classified material (e.g. paper copies, electronic files, and other materials) shall only be conducted as necessary to accomplish the Staff Agency/Activity mission or comply with applicable statues or directives.​


Well, that covers legal destruction of material (which is controlled and signed for, with appropriate documentation for destruction). There were times during my career that I had to destroy classified documents...you follow policy and document it all properly, which is what the above describes, albeit for the USMC.

Taking boxes of official papers out of the WH to a non-secured and non authorized location without proper documentation isn't legal.
 
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Butter emails, and Stacey Abrams took her mask off for a photo op with some kids, get some got damn perspective on what's important Ciggy.
 
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No, the much hotter and more important "Pfizer made a bunch of money and so Democrat Party people are hypocrites" and "Stacey Abrams took her mask off" stories will still rightly be dominating the coverage.
No the border and inner cities are war zones. Appear to be the focus.
 
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Well, that covers legal destruction of material (which is controlled and signed for, with appropriate documentation for destruction). There were times during my career that I had to destroy classified documents...you follow policy and document it all properly, which is what the above describes, albeit for the USMC.

Taking boxes of official papers out of the WH to a non-secured and non authorized location without proper documentation isn't legal.
Honestly, I don't know why IMCC bothers to post such informative information if you guys aren't going to pay attention! Whatever Trump did was totally cool. Mark Meadows and bunches of Trump Administration officials using burner phones, private email accounts, and encrypted apps... Totally fine.
Why won't you guys let Trump go?
 
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Gotta assume someone in the WH Counsel's office documented that they attempted to follow the law. That is why Trump hates lawyers so much. Always taking notes, the bastards.
 
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