National embarrassment
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Don't you mean the seniors that just turned an amazing season into an embarrassment of an ending?
That is because all that matters is March. ISU didn't hang a banner for being in the top 10 much of last year, or being ranked for 55 consecutive polls (or whatever it is). They lost to a 14 seed, sweet 16's or greater is all that matters historically. The reason more doesn't get made of their struggles is that they still have a team that could make a run in the NCAA tournament. So does Iowa, I understand the frustration, but be hopeful that they will shake off this slump and hit on all cylinders in the tournament. That's all a person can do.
What a shitty fan. When People say Tome Davis, I think of them beating UNLV and beating Nolan Richardson's "40 Minutes of Hell" Arkansas team to get to the Sweet 16 when they were heavy underdogs.
And Kurt? WTF?
Ok, fine. But all we heard about this last summer from the Iowa media was Iowa state was going to "dethrone " Kansas. Now hen it looks like the are going 10-8 and Kansas wins the big 12 again, they don't like when people say they have underachieved. They were preseason ranked 7 so no excuse if they are as good as everyone says to go to the elite 8. None. Prohm has underachieved and do has the team. Elite 8 or bust for them. prphm should be gone if he doesn't go to the elite 8 this year and so should pollard.
I think they've been given some slack by the media due to the coaching change, the loss of Naz Long, and because of the Hoiberg's connection. Just my theory, not saying that I agree.
Wrong sir Wrong! He's the coach! He can sit their arses down and get in their case about intensity and defense. Iowa's defense is weak on the perimeter and in the lane. Time after time Ohio St. Made shots driving to the basket because they knew they could. Iowa had a 5 point lead with 6:30 to play and again pissed it away.
SHAKEUP THE LINEUP!!! Iowa just got manhandled by a freshman team!
Pretty sure shaking up the lineup isn't going to end well, in case you haven't noticed our bench has been significantly outscored during this stretch of playing badly. If you don't think Fran is "getting in their case" as you put it, I'm not sure what games you're watching.
Yep, but if you hype this team up to dethrone Kansas and then you realize quickly they won't do it, you can't just say "it's all about March." If it's all about March then iowabstaye last year was a complete failure. They went Iowa 2005-2006. A preseason ranked 7 team should make the elite 8." If they don't get there, prohm should be fired and so should pollard. Iowa lost Drew ott in football. He was more important to Iowas football team than naz long is to iowa states basketball team. Thomas and long are the same player.
Iowa State last year was a total failure, the players have said as much. There has to be few people who'd disagree with that. I also agree not getting to the elite 8 would be underachieving. Sweet 16 would be mildly satisfying, anything less would be a tragic waste. I sure hope people were more concerned with the NCAA tournament than dethroning KU.
Yes, because coaches get paid millions to have no effect on the games? And you do realize Fran is the guy who recruited these players who now can't seem to shoot straight. Right?
Elite 8 or bust for Iowa State. If they don't get there, Prohm and Pollard should both be gone.
ISU needs to make the second weekend, if they don't it's a failure. I do think Prohm has done a good job and it is setting up nice for the future.
That's bs,The coach can instill confidence in his team.The big fades in the last games raises the question of why.A lot of the good and bad performances has to do with the leadership of the coach.
Fran also recruited those players who up until a few weeks ago were shooting very well and ranked in the top 5, right?
I'm not saying Fran is entirely off the hook for their performance lately, but to pin this on his recruiting seems a bit silly.
Iowa played pretty good defense, actually on the one corner three had the guy boxed in pretty well. Unbelievable pass and the kid knocked it down.
We are not valuing the ball very well. Too many turn overs and poor shot selection. Sapp two missed free throws could have put the lead to 8. Breakdowns at key moments.
I completely disagree. Last years team won over 20 games and I believe sold out every home game, as well as won the B12 tournament. It was far from a complete failure.
The season had some great moments, but will be forgotten due to a 3-14 upset in the tournament. I personally would trade a loss in the first round of Big 12 tourney for 1 win in the NCAA tourney let alone a sweet 16 or elite 8. As opposed to what happened last year.
You mean it was unanimous with no dissenting opinions?
I don't think the people on this board expected 9th place.
IMO Iowa isn't paying a coach to lower the preseason expectations. It's disturbing how many people are impressed by a coach who can lower the bar to the point it is easy to clear it.
Having said that - I'll repeat myself from earlier posts - this year still looks good and could end up being a memorable one come March/April. But if someone is upset by the late season swoon I don't think that makes them unreasonable.
You mean it was unanimous with no dissenting opinions?
I don't think the people on this board expected 9th place.
IMO Iowa isn't paying a coach to lower the preseason expectations. It's disturbing how many people are impressed by a coach who can lower the bar to the point it is easy to clear it.
Having said that - I'll repeat myself from earlier posts - this year still looks good and could end up being a memorable one come March/April. But if someone is upset by the late season swoon I don't think that makes them unreasonable.
Please explain the expectations of this board for this season before the season started.
I expect that fans, including myself, are disappointed by the performance of the team over the last couple of weeks. But, let's not kid ourselves - this team has still exceeded the reasonable expectations of most fans.
Sports is terribly over-rated, coaches are over paid ... and fans are charged too much to attend games. Nothing is going to change, it is only going to get worse. If you don't like it, save your money & your frustrations and don't attend events or watch it on TV. Or be a fan and support them ... but don't think it's the end of the world when they lose. And maybe you should "grow up" and then you can call yourself "grown".
Don't disagree with most of your post, but if you haven't read the dozens of threads in the past few weeks criticizing certain players, especially Gesell, you must not be on the site much. We do have way to many boo hoo fans, who are looking for someone to blame whenever something didn't go as THEY expected. Fran has not handled adversity well over the past few games.
ISU could very possibly have reached those goals but for the unexpected loss of Naz Long for the season. Even in his struggles early in the season after two hip surgeries in the off season he was averaging 12 points a game. All the Cyclones would have needed from Long in 5 of their 7 conference losses is 4 points a game to tie or 5 points a game for wins. It left the team so short handed that with three overtime games Morris is averaging over 40 minutes a game in conference games.
I'm sure the spirits that be that make up the AP Top 25 rankings would not have ranked ISU as high as they did in the pre-season had they known Long would be out for the season. Not only because of him not being back but because anyone should know even with the talent they had returning they would be short handed at best. Even Burton had to set out the first semester per transfer rules. Even with the confidence I had in the Cyclones I wouldn't have ranked ISU as high as the AP did in the pre-season poll if I thought Long was not playing.
Any team can get a victory to a team they shouldn't beat. Kansas is an example of that this year. There only losses have been to Michigan State -6, at West Virginia -11, at Iowa State by -13 and at unlikely Oklahoma State by -19 points yet beat Texas by 30 tonight. Games are funny that way.
I think UNLV beat us because we could not defend the 3 pt line.. Sound familiar .
Did I miss the part where Fran benched the starters and shook up the lineup? Bench production was better against Indiana, but the only "shake up" I saw was playing time for Williams over Ellingson and primarily due to Mike being in foul trouble.
People seem to forget the difference between "they're not that good" and "they're not as good as they can be". Tom Davis did what George raveling couldn't do.
Coaching, despite what you've been told, it actually matters.
