Nebraska's Problem
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Nebby's dominating line play went away about the same time as testing for steroids started.....coincidence?
Nebraskas problem is they have no respect for the Big 10 as a conference or the teams in the Big 10. While they were still in the Big 8 or 12 or whatever, they thought moving to the Big 10 was going to be a cakewalk, but found out quickly that no one was going to bow down to them just because they were Nebraska.
Hold up with that. So why, does Harbough not have better QB's? They always rank high on the recruiting sites, and He's supposed to be a QB guru, yet its probably the worst position on their roster. Certainly at this point he's responsible for the poor QB play,NO?
Well Rudock did well in his one year there. Speight did fine (or at least well enough to have Michigan undefeated and in the top 5 until the Iowa game) in the second year until the Iowa game where he got hurt and has been hurt off and on since. Three years total isn't that much time in general anyways.
I'm open to the possibility of being wrong, but based on his track record, there's no reason to believe that Jim won't right the ship as far as QB play is concerned
Steroids
No academics
No roster limits
No rules
That’s how they did it. They are done.
No academics
No roster limits
No rules
That’s how they did it. They are done.
Cmon, how much better was Jake at Michigan then Iowa? Surrounded by better talent at Michigan and was pretty much the same guy. Speight was not very good, and the guy he beat out is terrible. Honestly Iowa has had a better group of QB's then Michigan the last five or six years, IMHO. I just laugh at how gods gift to coaching gets a pass. You say he's had no solid QB's to work with and then try to say they've been pretty good. Which is it. I don't think their very good, and just wonder why he's not responsible for that. Yes he's only been there three years, but in that time Iowa has brought in Stanley, and Mansel, and I think we can win with either. Surely given his UNEARNED status as one of the top coaches, he can bring in better talent then Iowa, and have them ready to play within a year or two?
Well, and don't challenge your bosses to fire you. I mean, people like to give Nebraska crap for firing Bo Pelini after winning 9 games (including me), but people forget that he spent the previous three weeks challenging the authority of his administration. He basically dared them to fire him, and he did it publicly. I mean, most people need to be fired on that principle alone. Nebraska's mistake was saying this was "based on where Iowa was as a program" and not saying, "You can not publicly challenge the authority of your bosses with no consequences."
Pelini should have been fired the year before he actually was (one of the many head-scratching moves of Shawn Eichorst). Pelini won a lot of games, but got embarrassed in the games that mattered and didn't bother to recruit worth a crap. Then his attitude was the tipping point. Bo didn't really leave any choice but to fire him.
I was stunned that Pelini wasn’t fired in 2013. He was begging for it then.
As far as Nebraska expectations, gosh every fan I know expects titles. Conference and National. I don’t know, maybe they are more level headed when they are talking amongst themselves but that hasn’t been my experience living here. Alum-Ni seems like a good dude. Wish I knew more like him.
As far as Nebraska expectations, gosh every fan I know expects titles. Conference and National. I don’t know, maybe they are more level headed when they are talking amongst themselves but that hasn’t been my experience living here. Alum-Ni seems like a good dude. Wish I knew more like him.
Don't you think that coaching in highest stage in football at the super bowl while having Colin freaking Kaepernick put up MVP numbers qualifies you as one of the top coaches? Yeah looks like I contradicted myself analyzing the QB's, but that wasn't even the point. The point I was trying to make is that Michigan will be fine. Harbaugh has been there three years and gone 10-3 in the last two. He really took over a 5-7 team and finished 10-3 the next year in his first year. I don't even like the guy, but it's impossible to deny the success he's had coaching both college and NFL. Give Michigan a couple more years and they will begin a consistent run for top 3 in the East
Some people would say the rampant use of Steroids contributed to the success of those great lines under Tom Osborne. The line play did go down quick and it makes you wonder if Steroids was a contributing factor?
Nebraska, without question, had the best offensive lines in college football for many years. They would open up holes a semi could go through. Everyone knew they would line up and run the ball, but no team could stop them.
Nebraska also had better athletes back then. They had a California pipeline and would pluck great skilled players each year from that state. Looks like that pipeline has dried up and they dont get those players anymore.
I dont see Nebraska reaching the level of football they played in the 90's ever again.
Thats certainly possible. I don't think Michigan will fall into the abyss, and I'm not saying Harbough is a bad coach. Just asking, is THAT what he was brought to Michigan to accomplish? In year 4 through 6 to make a run to be in the top three in the east? Really? Just using your thoughts, but I agree, because thats where they find themselves, and I don't think thats going to keep him the coach at Michigan long term.
It wasn't just the 90's. Since 1962 till now Nebraska won 9 games or more every year except 8 of those years and 5 of those 8 in the last 14 years..
2 terrible hires in the last 14 years especially the last 3 seasons is why we are where we are now..
We didn't ask for a worse Coach after Pelini but that is what exAD Eichorst handed us..
I can live with how spoiled our fan base has become, but Nebraska isn't the only fan base that is spoiled because of winning a lot of games over history.
In the heyday of Nebraska, they ran the Veer Offence. Just about every High School team in the Nebraska, and half of them in Iowa, MN and the Dakotas did too. So did teams in OK, TX, KS and MO. This gave Nebraska a huge recruiting advantage, as they basically had a big feeder program. Additionally, they were not competing with Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame an others for the Pro Set or Power I quarterbacks. All you really needed was QB that could run the pitch option well, and could throw ten to fifteen yards down the field and you were fine.
They no longer have that advantage.
Nebraska never ran the Veer offense. It was Power I and they ran the option off it.We didn't get a true option QB until Turner Gill arrived in 1981...
Dave Humm, Steve Runty, Vince Ferragamo, Tom Sorley were all mostly passing QB's.
They also ran it off the shotgun, it doesn't matter, it was a variant of the Veer. My point was that they had a feeder program that pulled heavily from high school teams in the region that fed their style of football. They relied heavily on running style quarterbacks that played the option very well. Because they did run the ball so much, they were able to recruit great running backs. Your biggest problem right now is that you have created a revolving door with your coaching staff. God forbid this next coach fails.
Why on earth would God forbid that?
There is some semantics to it, which is why I haven't made much of an argument about it.
There's way too much being made about where Nebraska is in the pecking order and who their coach will be.
Everyone knows in the end Nebraska is a volleyball school.
Everyone knows in the end Nebraska is a volleyball school.
Yep, gotta agree with this as I personally know quite a few Nebraska fans (some are relatives) and they absolutely expect to return to national prominence, i.e, top 10 rankings. LOL...it ain't happening.
When Nebraska came into the B1G they underestimated the size and toughness of Big 10 defenses. Linebacker play is much more physical in the B1G. They should have given Pelini an ultimatum to improve his behavior to continue as head coach rather than just fire him. Pelini was a very good defensive coach. This year ultimately by the Iowa game it looked like the Huskers had been beaten into submission. I believe The Big 10 schedule takes more of a physical toll on players and teams than the Big 12 and player injuries come into play more as a result. Even when Nubbie was high on the totem poll they were facing less physical and lesser opponents in the Big 12 North which allowed them to have a better record and less physically beat up. Anyway I like nothing better than to see Iowa just pound those Huskers. There were neighbors lighting M80's and firing shotguns in the air here in Omaha when Iowa scored. 1 of the best wins ever! I think a couple must have run out of Ammo.
Here's something to ponder. When UCF played Maryland this year, due to hurricane Irma, they hadn't played a game in 3 weeks and didn't practice all of the practices available to them during that time. They had only played one game this season so far. So I could imagine their team being at least a little rusty.
Well, they beat Maryland by a larger margin than Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern did, and had only played 1 game when Maryland had already played 2 games. *Both Ohio State and Penn State beat Maryland by a larger margin than UCF.
Before you start talking about Maryland losing all of their QBs in that game, their 2nd string QB, Kasem Hill started, and was injured sometime in the 1st quarter. Their 3rd string QB, Max Bortenschlager, finished the game and started the rest of the year. Which means UCF actually played a quarter against Maryland's 2nd string QB before their 3rd stringer came in. All of the B1G teams I mentioned went up against Maryland's 3rd stringer from the start of the game.
This tells us that at least by score, that Maryland gave Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern a more difficult game than they gave UCF. Keep in mind this was at the very start of Frost's 2nd year.
So...14 games into Frosts tenure at UCF, Maryland had a more difficult game against UCF than against a 3rd year Jim Harbsugh coached Michigan team...a 3rd year Paul Chryst coached Wisconsin team...an 11th year Mark Dantonio coached Michigan State team...and a 12th year Pat Fitzgerald coached Northwestern team.
I think you guys get the point. It looks like Nebraska will be a substantially better team coached by Frost than certainly Riley and Callahan, and more than likely better than Pelini's teams as well. And what was Pelini's record against Iowa again?
Looking forward to some very competitive games in the future.
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Here's something to ponder. When UCF played Maryland this year, due to hurricane Irma, they hadn't played a game in 3 weeks and didn't practice all of the practices available to them during that time. They had only played one game this season so far. So I could imagine their team being at least a little rusty.
Well, they beat Maryland by a larger margin than Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern did, and had only played 1 game when Maryland had already played 2 games. *Both Ohio State and Penn State beat Maryland by a larger margin than UCF.
Before you start talking about Maryland losing all of their QBs in that game, their 2nd string QB, Kasem Hill started, and was injured sometime in the 1st quarter. Their 3rd string QB, Max Bortenschlager, finished the game and started the rest of the year. Which means UCF actually played a quarter against Maryland's 2nd string QB before their 3rd stringer came in. All of the B1G teams I mentioned went up against Maryland's 3rd stringer from the start of the game.
This tells us that at least by score, that Maryland gave Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern a more difficult game than they gave UCF. Keep in mind this was at the very start of Frost's 2nd year.
So...14 games into Frosts tenure at UCF, Maryland had a more difficult game against UCF than against a 3rd year Jim Harbsugh coached Michigan team...a 3rd year Paul Chryst coached Wisconsin team...an 11th year Mark Dantonio coached Michigan State team...and a 12th year Pat Fitzgerald coached Northwestern team.
I think you guys get the point. It looks like Nebraska will be a substantially better team coached by Frost than certainly Riley and Callahan, and more than likely better than Pelini's teams as well. And what was Pelini's record against Iowa again?
Looking forward to some very competitive games in the future.
Time will tell but for another year. 56-14.
If you think steroids aren't rampant at nearly every college right now, you haven't been paying attention. Steroid testing is almost non-existent in college. If they do test they notify the players well in advance. When's the last time you saw someone get suspended for steroids in college?
We will. Things are already fun. 56-14
You mean more fun for Nebraska right?....I assume...because of your handle u like Nebraska?
Personally I've been very pleased with the outcome of the Iowa/Nebraska games as of late
Okay but the same team just gave up 500 yards passing and won by three to USF. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it was one gameHere's something to ponder. When UCF played Maryland this year, due to hurricane Irma, they hadn't played a game in 3 weeks and didn't practice all of the practices available to them during that time. They had only played one game this season so far. So I could imagine their team being at least a little rusty.
Well, they beat Maryland by a larger margin than Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern did, and had only played 1 game when Maryland had already played 2 games. *Both Ohio State and Penn State beat Maryland by a larger margin than UCF.
Before you start talking about Maryland losing all of their QBs in that game, their 2nd string QB, Kasem Hill started, and was injured sometime in the 1st quarter. Their 3rd string QB, Max Bortenschlager, finished the game and started the rest of the year. Which means UCF actually played a quarter against Maryland's 2nd string QB before their 3rd stringer came in. All of the B1G teams I mentioned went up against Maryland's 3rd stringer from the start of the game.
This tells us that at least by score, that Maryland gave Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern a more difficult game than they gave UCF. Keep in mind this was at the very start of Frost's 2nd year.
So...14 games into Frosts tenure at UCF, Maryland had a more difficult game against UCF than against a 3rd year Jim Harbsugh coached Michigan team...a 3rd year Paul Chryst coached Wisconsin team...an 11th year Mark Dantonio coached Michigan State team...and a 12th year Pat Fitzgerald coached Northwestern team.
I think you guys get the point. It looks like Nebraska will be a substantially better team coached by Frost than certainly Riley and Callahan, and more than likely better than Pelini's teams as well. And what was Pelini's record against Iowa again?
Looking forward to some very competitive games in the future.
You do know there’s a reason why he’s called Scott Flop right? Please hire him! Hawkeye Nation’s begging you.Here's something to ponder. When UCF played Maryland this year, due to hurricane Irma, they hadn't played a game in 3 weeks and didn't practice all of the practices available to them during that time. They had only played one game this season so far. So I could imagine their team being at least a little rusty.
Well, they beat Maryland by a larger margin than Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern did, and had only played 1 game when Maryland had already played 2 games. *Both Ohio State and Penn State beat Maryland by a larger margin than UCF.
Before you start talking about Maryland losing all of their QBs in that game, their 2nd string QB, Kasem Hill started, and was injured sometime in the 1st quarter. Their 3rd string QB, Max Bortenschlager, finished the game and started the rest of the year. Which means UCF actually played a quarter against Maryland's 2nd string QB before their 3rd stringer came in. All of the B1G teams I mentioned went up against Maryland's 3rd stringer from the start of the game.
This tells us that at least by score, that Maryland gave Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern a more difficult game than they gave UCF. Keep in mind this was at the very start of Frost's 2nd year.
So...14 games into Frosts tenure at UCF, Maryland had a more difficult game against UCF than against a 3rd year Jim Harbsugh coached Michigan team...a 3rd year Paul Chryst coached Wisconsin team...an 11th year Mark Dantonio coached Michigan State team...and a 12th year Pat Fitzgerald coached Northwestern team.
I think you guys get the point. It looks like Nebraska will be a substantially better team coached by Frost than certainly Riley and Callahan, and more than likely better than Pelini's teams as well. And what was Pelini's record against Iowa again?
Looking forward to some very competitive games in the future.
Skill player recruiting is the one thing Riley had done well.
2017 - 3 4* WR and 4* CB
2016 - 2 4* DB
2015 - 2 4* DB, 4* RB, 4* WR
2014 - 4* RB & 4* WR
Look at the performance on the field the last couple years. Nebraska has had very dangerous WR, but the problem is the QB are blind throwing to the wrong jersey's half the time. Pair that with a mediocre set of lines that can't sustain a running attack and has problems slowing down the other team and 30-40 point losses consistently happen.
It's not just Iowa. South Dakota, South Dakota State, and North Dakota State have set up shop in Omaha and have gotten plenty of recruits out of there. Yeah, it's FCS, you can say that, but home grown D1 recruits need to be kept in program and developed into those 5th year seniors that play a big part in the program. The FCS schools encroaching on Nebraska territory is just as harmful as Iowa pulling guys out of there.
He was probably tired of all the rumors, didn't blame him. I enjoyed pelini, especially the way he answered the stupid questions from the press. He wasn't politically correct, refreshing these days.
I'm glad they fired pelini, we had trouble beating him and it sent nebby into their tailspin.
This is such bull. Every Husker fan I know starts off by saying they just want to contend for the division. They are humble in their assessment as the Huskers have been humbled in the BIG so far. They don't want to appear as being unrealistic because Husker fans are now self-aware of that label they've picked up. But when it comes down to it, when you start to peel back the layers and get into it with Husker fans they expect National Championships and that they are better than Iowa and have achieved more in their history than Iowa could ever dream.
I usually get one of my Husker friends to go off on that rant at least once a year. I don't even need to prod anymore, last time it happened was watching the Husker/Badger game with a Husker fan this year. As the Badgers physically manhandled the Huskers in the second half the rants of Husker glory started to escalate. It was Husker fan in a death spiral. The Husker program slowly dying right in front of him and he could not handle it. It was pretty sad really.
Husker fan may say they just want to compete, until the next guy gets them to that level and, once Husker fan is close to tasting a return to glory, then National Championship contending teams will be the only thing acceptable again. Rinse and repeat.
As said already, things are already fun with nebby, and I've enjoyed it for years.
Will frost succeed?
Maybe, but I have my doubts. The aac isn't the BIG and as nebby fans found out, it isn't so easy to win here. I think nebby should look only for p5 coaches, and especially for any with BIG experience.
But I'm hoping they get frosty.
