Kirk's Big 10 and overall record

[ellobo]

Are u guys happy with Moore?

I think the best way to put it is we would have been happier if we had found a way to keep Harbaugh. And the frustration is there was a real scenario where we could of kept him but we f'd it up.

As far as Moore...there is a faction that thinks it was the right move and we just need to let him grow ... I'm a part of that faction...the biggest thing he has done is push us forward in the NIL game... he's actually been a major player in it...and he connects with his players...

There is another faction that thinks we should have done a national search.,.I get it...but why we sucked this year was not on Moore...we didn't and don't need to blow it up ...the foundation is there.,.just need to reset...you just can't win without a QB...not saying you need an AA level guy...just somebody who is better than the back up at a local DIII college

 

[joelbc1]

He needs to win 60% to get on the ballot. You think that happens in the expanded conference with NIL? While he has been good over his long career I don't see great.

Other than Evy, UIowa has never seen “great” in the modern era of football. If indeed 60% is the bar, why are so many fretting about Kirk’s status in the HoF… he is either in or not. If he has 60%, he’s a no-brainer for induction. 59% is pretty damn good for a school that is not a blue-blood football school. tOSU, PSU, UMich, maybe USC and Oregon might qualify as others from the B10… and UIowa certainly cannot match its history to any of those over the past 75 years.

 

[SolarHawk]

How so? Ball security is priority #1 with Kirk… and it always gas been? Wgat are you talking about?

Bull shit. Deacon was a turnover machine. Kirk is just a stubborn asshole that has no accountability due to his ridiculous contract.

 

[83Hawk]

Let me see. Born in Iowa City, grew up 45 minutes away. Bachelors and Masters degrees from Iowa, while being a student athlete as an undergrad. Both parents attended Iowa, Mom with two degrees. Brother attended Iowa. Wife attended Iowa. Season ticket holder before moving out of state.

Yes, I better find a new school to follow. How dare I expect us to have a coach that does not lose a bunch of games against the likes of Northwestern, Iowa State, and Western Michigan.

The old “go root for another team” nonsense. The homers need new material.

 

[joelbc1]

Bull shit. Deacon was a turnover machine. Kirk is just a stubborn asshole that has no accountability due to his ridiculous contract.

Like a stubborn football coach is unique to this profession?
Deacon’s asset was in the end, he was about the only healthy qb left to play.
Kirk ain’t perfect but his good far outweighs his negatives…and like it or not, his “brand” of football has given UIowa its own unique identity.

 

[83Hawk]

I see Kirk’s offense fitting in to how he sees UIowa needs to play football to win. Kirk understands that in college football “long offensive drives” scoring chances are diminished with every snap of the ball. That is why special team play, ball security and field position are crucial to his idea how football games are won at UIowa.
In effect, Kirk isn’t forcing the opposition to do anything. He wants his defense to “keep the play” in front of them and sooner or later the other team will screw up.

“Kirk understands that in college football “long offensive drives” scoring chances are diminished with every snap of the ball.”
And yet that is exactly what he expects HIS offense to do.

“That is why special team play, ball security and field position are crucial to his idea how football games are won at UIowa.”

And pretty much everywhere else.

“In effect, Kirk isn’t forcing the opposition to do anything.”

Except put together “long offensive drives” and /or “screw up”.

 

[cidhawkeye]

You don’t see the irony of Kirk expecting Iowa’s offense to do the very thing he is trying to force the other team’s offense to do?

People don’t.
They want other teams to run 12 play drives because they will make a mistake and Iowa will capitalize.

Iowa wants to run 12 play drives because they feel they won’t make a mistake.

Willingly do what you are attempting to force the other team to do.

Creates the catch 22 of
‘We have to play that way because we don’t have playmakers on offense’
Why is that? Because they run a style that willingly limits the opportunities for playmakers to make plays so they don’t come to Iowa. Self fulfilling prophecy

 

[cidhawkeye]

Every non-iowa fan who has followed CFB over the last few decades knows KF is a HOF coach. What he has done at Iowa is remarkable...it's one of those questions: who else could have done/built that...and the answer is can't think of anyone

With that said...those of us on the outside...see what some of you Hawkeyes do... he's done...your program is stagnant and needs new blood...even if your next hire doesn't work out at least try to build towards a future

They ‘know’ that he is HOF?
They should brush up on the criteria then.

 

[ellobo]

They ‘know’ that he is HOF?
They should brush up on the criteria then.

I'm genuinely curious...is there an actual rule that states you have to have a certain win % to get in the HOF...

I'm honestly asking ...can you link it so I can educate myself?

 

[cidhawkeye]

I'm genuinely curious...is there an actual rule that states you have to have a certain win % to get in the HOF...

I'm honestly asking ...can you link it so I can educate myself?

Michigan guy can’t google?

• Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head football coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage.

College Football Hall of Fame Criteria and Voting Process

College Football Hall of Fame Criteria and Voting Process

footballfoundation.org

Spread the word to the ‘all knowing’ people you associate with

 

[hawkjt]

Ironically, the guy that KF will pass to become the #1 winningest BIG coach, Woody Hayes, was much more conservative in offensive strategy.
" three yards and a cloud of dust"
" 3 outcomes with the forward pass and 2 of them are bad"

Those sayings came out of Woody.
OSU always had the horses.
KF rarely had the horses.

Some of our fans would have hated
Woody,Stagg and Bo systems just like they hate KF systems.

Funny how the 4 winningest coaches in BIG history are conservative...hmmmm.
Think maybe they are on that list cuz it works?

 

[83Hawk]

Ironically, the guy that KF will pass to become the #1 winningest BIG coach, Woody Hayes, was much more conservative in offensive strategy.
" three yards and a cloud of dust"
" 3 outcomes with the forward pass and 2 of them are bad"

Those sayings came out of Woody.
OSU always had the horses.
KF rarely had the horses.

Some of our fans would have hated
Woody,Stagg and Bo systems just like they hate KF systems.

Funny how the 4 winningest coaches in BIG history are conservative...hmmmm.
Think maybe they are on that list cuz it works?

The game was different then. Teams did not throw the ball NEARLY as much as today. The schemes Woody and Bo ran were about the same as most other teams.

I’m not saying Kirk isn’t a good coach…he is.

 

[BonzoFury]

Like a stubborn football coach is unique to this profession?
Deacon’s asset was in the end, he was about the only healthy qb left to play.
Kirk ain’t perfect but his good far outweighs his negatives…and like it or not, his “brand” of football has given UIowa its own unique identity.

5 years ago that identity was good. It's changed. Kirk and Brian killed the offense...it's not coming back.

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

Every non-iowa fan who has followed CFB over the last few decades knows KF is a HOF coach. What he has done at Iowa is remarkable...it's one of those questions: who else could have done/built that...and the answer is can't think of anyone

With that said...those of us on the outside...see what some of you Hawkeyes do... he's done...your program is stagnant and needs new blood...even if your next hire doesn't work out at least try to build towards a future

Iowa doesn’t delay the hiring process to interview KF, they had Stoops waiting on them to make the offer. Iowa didn’t and it’s well known OU gave Bob 24 hours then he needed to go with the Sooners. Stoops probably does more at Iowa than KF but doesn’t coach as long based upon his decision to step away at OU. What could have been.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Ironically, the guy that KF will pass to become the #1 winningest BIG coach, Woody Hayes, was much more conservative in offensive strategy.
" three yards and a cloud of dust"
" 3 outcomes with the forward pass and 2 of them are bad"

Those sayings came out of Woody.
OSU always had the horses.
KF rarely had the horses.

Some of our fans would have hated
Woody,Stagg and Bo systems just like they hate KF systems.

Funny how the 4 winningest coaches in BIG history are conservative...hmmmm.
Think maybe they are on that list cuz it works?

I see where you are going. The game and rules are almost identical to when all of those coaches coached.

Woody .761%
Bo .775%
Stagg .683%
KF .622%
These are at major schools. At least KF is better than Bo in bowls

Apple and pineapple analogy on your part

 

[joelbc1]

5 years ago that identity was good. It's changed. Kirk and Brian killed the offense...it's not coming back.

Kirk is responsible for the lack of QB talent currently. Kirk and Co. missed (badly) of sine o-line recruits the past 3-4 years. These misses are what “killed” the offense, probably. The offense this year was much better than the previous 2-3 years. Understand what Kirk’s offense is… abs ur us never gonna be what you want it to be. It’s gonna be run based ball security emphasized abs never gonna be what you want. He has shown that his football wins more games than it loses.

 

[acuhawk]

He benefitted greatly from the big ten west. Also HOF coaches would know how to get the ball to guys like Charlie Jones. They also recognize when an offense is broken. The best thing he did was form close relations with the Parkers. Their loyalty speaks highly for kf and is the biggest reason He's won so much.

He also benefitted from coaching for a school that's much less fire happy than the average power 5. KF also benefits from fans that don't have a local NFL team to cheer on so Kinnick is their social gathering. Fan turn out is great regardless of the Coach. Plus none of us with good seats are willing to give them up. We just sell them.

 

[joelbc1]

He benefitted greatly from the big ten west. Also HOF coaches would know how to get the ball to guys like Charlie Jones. They also recognize when an offense is broken. The best thing he did was form close relations with the Parkers. Their loyalty speaks highly for kf and is the biggest reason He's won so much.

He also benefitted from coaching for a school that's much less fire happy than the average power 5. KF also benefits from fans that don't have a local NFL team to cheer on so Kinnick is their social gathering. Fan turn out is great regardless of the Coach. Plus none of us with good seats are willing to give them up. We just sell them.

Less “fire happy”? Really..
Look at the history…
1950..Leonard Raffebsperger
1952…Forest Evesheski
1961…Jerry Burns
1966…Ray Nagel…
1970… Frank Lauterbur..
1974… Bob Commings
1979…Hayden Fry
1999…Kirk Ferentz

Iowa went thru 6 HC in 30 years until Fry and Ferentz..Evy was “replaced” as HC in a storm of controversy following the 1960 season..the next 4 coaches were replaced for more “normal” reasons. Iowans like consistency with its politicians and football coaches..as long as you win games you are “ok”…but embarrass “us” and we will replace you pretty quickly.

 

[BetterLuckNextTime]

He's the catfish of the big ten West. That's not impressive.

 

[spiderland]

Michigan guy can’t google?

• Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head football coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage.

College Football Hall of Fame Criteria and Voting Process

College Football Hall of Fame Criteria and Voting Process

footballfoundation.org

Spread the word to the ‘all knowing’ people you associate with

There was someone on the board a while back who had suggested the HOF would make a special exception to get Kirk in. I suppose that is possible. We will find out one way or the other because Kirk is not finishing 0.600 or better.

If the Hall were to do that, I wonder deep down how Kirk would feel about it. Obviously, the HOF is the greatest honor in his field; on the other hand, Kirk has always presented his belief structure as a “you get what you deserve in the end” one. I’d be curious to know how he would reconcile that with an exception by the HOF just for him.

 

[swagsurfer02]

That's a pretty eye-opening stat considering most on this board act like we're so far above the Cyclones.

We finally started racking up wins against ISU. I think for a time there KF won like 8 in a row vs them. It wasn’t very good and I think Iowa fans justified it as being “ISU’s Super Bowl”.

 

[cidhawkeye]

There was someone on the board a while back who had suggested the HOF would make a special exception to get Kirk in. I suppose that is possible. We will find out one way or the other because Kirk is not finishing 0.600 or better.

If the Hall were to do that, I wonder deep down how Kirk would feel about it. Obviously, the HOF is the greatest honor in his field; on the other hand, Kirk has always presented his belief structure as a “you get what you deserve in the end” one. I’d be curious to know how he would reconcile that with an exception by the HOF just for him.

I am just glad we are past the ‘JHF is in and he isn’t at .600’ posts

 

[IowaHawk1994]

Kirk is 128 W and 88 L's in Big 10 play for 59.2% winning percentage. That of course is 6 wins out of every 10 Big 10 games, not HOFamish but better than most coaches.

He is 204-124 overall at Iowa which makes his non-conf and bowl record 76-36, if my math is right, which is a 68% win rate. His teams have had to line up against what some people would say are higher rated, stronger teams in bowls and I now think he is 10-10 in bowl games which is above avg for the bowl situation.

How do you rate this? As he gets ready to pass woody hayes I think that 59% Big 10 win percentage is lagging a bit. But we are only lowly Iowa.

Weak schedule no big wins even the Orange Bowl was vs a crap team

 

[ShonnDeereGreene]

I think the best way to put it is we would have been happier if we had found a way to keep Harbaugh. And the frustration is there was a real scenario where we could of kept him but we f'd it up.

As far as Moore...there is a faction that thinks it was the right move and we just need to let him grow ... I'm a part of that faction...the biggest thing he has done is push us forward in the NIL game... he's actually been a major player in it...and he connects with his players...

There is another faction that thinks we should have done a national search.,.I get it...but why we sucked this year was not on Moore...we didn't and don't need to blow it up ...the foundation is there.,.just need to reset...you just can't win without a QB...not saying you need an AA level guy...just somebody who is better than the back up at a local DIII college

Preaching to the choir on the QB front! Ugh.

Didn’t you guys lose just an incredible amount of players to nfl/graduation too?

 

[ShonnDeereGreene]

Weak schedule no big wins even the Orange Bowl was vs a crap team

Not true. Georgia Tech mauled teams that year and averaged right at 300 yards per game rushing. Norm Parker and the Iowa D made them look pedestrian, but they were anything but that during the season. Was a very very good win.

 

[uihawk82]

What I find ironic, is Kirk wants to force the other team’s offense to be patient and not make mistakes…..yet that is exactly what he expects out of his own offense.

ironic, isn't it. And the players and passing games have gotten so much better over the last 10-12 years that there are offenses that score in 3 big pass plays

 

[Easthawk1062]

Weak schedule no big wins even the Orange Bowl was vs a crap team

THAT AINT NEBURSKA FOOTBAHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

[ellobo]

Preaching to the choir on the QB front! Ugh.

Didn’t you guys lose just an incredible amount of players to nfl/graduation too?

We lost a lot but we also brought back some really good players and potential talent...

The 2023 Michigan team is the most loaded team I've ever seen in terms of depth (we lacked a little in terms of star playmakers...we had a lot of good but not great). We were better on the lines than the most recent SEC winners

Consider this ... Michigan had the most players drafted last year...the most ever invited to the NFL combine...yet we could have up to 4 players drafted in the 1st round this year...

Last year those first rounders were only getting 50% of snaps because we had more experienced (future) NFL guys switch with them...and it was mostly on the lines where we had rotated guys in to destroy you and wear you down

This year we didn't have the depth...but the bigger issue remained QB...we didn't have WRs that could make him/them look good either...we had guys who were good enough to look good if they had a QB

Because of that we had very little margin of error...

Think it about it this way ... Michigan had enough talent to beat USC (I know they sucked but still USC), MSU (terrible but still a rivalry game), tOSU (might win the NC) and Bama (they were close to full strength...they played our JV). If you told anyone, before the season, that Michigan would do that then you'd guess a playoff team.

Our O was just that bad

 

[ellobo]

Michigan guy can’t google?

• Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head football coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage.

College Football Hall of Fame Criteria and Voting Process

College Football Hall of Fame Criteria and Voting Process

footballfoundation.org

Spread the word to the ‘all knowing’ people you associate with

I really don't understand why you get so offended that people respect your head coach

 

[cidhawkeye]

I really don't understand why you get so offended that people respect your head coach

If you could cite the part of my post that has anything to do with respect of KF or indicates offense taken I would appreciate it.

 

[ellobo]

If you could cite the part of my post that has anything to do with respect of KF or indicates offense taken I would appreciate it.

All of it

 

[Garzatough85]

He'll be a hall of famer for sure. His players track record in the NFL speaks volumes. Ferentz no only produces good football players and good football teams, he also produces stand up citizens who are successful in life beyond football.

True; oddly if Kirk didn’t have blinders on these last few years, his overall record would be better and he’d have a clearer path to a better record this year and next. This tells me he believes in his instincts far more than chasing records via scrambling to change his overall approach to the game.

 

[cidhawkeye]

All of it

So nothing, got it. Michigan didn’t teach you that posting factual criteria has nothing to do with emotion or respect? May want to try some CE credits.

 

[ellobo]

So nothing, got it. Michigan didn’t teach you that posting factual criteria has nothing to do with emotion or respect? May want to try some CE credits.

You still seem very angry