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New details on the bizarre effort to hide the USS John S. McCain for Trump

Hahaha... you mad... "weak stick podunk".. I'm a town? Or are you so flustered you can't even come up with an insult?
I write commercially. It’s called being creative with language. You’re a podunk, a characterization of a slight usually attributed to a locale. Sorry I need to explain. But I should presume you need lots of explanation for pretty much all things.

Anyways, what’s your position? That a POTUS inherits some clean slate? That the predecessor’s performance has no relevance whatsoever in the grand scheme of things?
 
This board was so much better when you were having a lack of sleep breakdown and you didn't post.

Weak people do love echo chambers.



Having the realization that people with children, who post on here all day everyday, are losers of a proportion I had never considered wasn't the "breakdown" or "empathy" you thought then or now, it was a observation.
 
I write commercially. It’s called being creative with language. You’re a podunk, a characterization of a slight usually attributed to a locale. Sorry I need to explain. But I should presume you need lots of explanation for pretty much all things.

Anyways, what’s your position? That a POTUS inherits some clean slate? That the predecessor’s performance has no relevance whatsoever in the grand scheme of things?
You're a writer.... it gets better and better.


Podunk has a meaning, in a dictionary, check it out. Assuming you do infact write for a living, yer an idiot.




That the president of the United States is thr most powerful person in the word and can drag his dick across any renegotiation with a terriost group at any Given moment.
 
Weak people do love echo chambers.



Having the realization that people with children, who post on here all day everyday, are losers of a proportion I had never considered wasn't the "breakdown" or "empathy" you thought then or now, it was a observation.
None of that, however true or not, excuses your own echo-chambe-fueled stupidity. Remarkable that you, of all people, are pointing that finger at ANYONE — especially in the context of your current performance in this thread.
 
You're a writer.... it gets better and better.


Podunk has a meaning, in a dictionary, check it out. Assuming you do infact write for a living, yer an idiot.
JFC language is not some static thing. Pay attention to ad copy around you. Turning nouns into verbs is quite common, for example, despite what your dictionary tells you.

You really do require lots of explaining.
 
None of that, however true or not, excuses your own echo-chambe-fueled stupidity. Remarkable that you, of all people, are pointing that finger at ANYONE — especially in the context of your current performance in this thread.
What echo chamber is that? Surely you jest.
 
JFC language is not some static thing. Pay attention to ad copy around you. Turning nouns into verbs is quite common, for example, despite what your dictionary tells you.

You really do require lots of explaining.
Leftist do love changing definitions.....
 
You got to be ****ing kidding me here Rudy.



They blow through "yeah, Biden could have renegotiated and should have left people at Bagram AFB" with a giant "but trump". North Korea wasn't launching those missles as Trump tried to buddy up with them as the article suggest, they started when they knew we had a feckless leader.
North Korea had 27 confirmed middle launches during President Trump’s single term. He didn’t exactly have them exactly shaking in their boots.
 
We are two years into the next guy…

The last guy was worried about a boat though.
Perhaps it’s because the last guy was worried about things like boats or Rosie O’Donnell or the size of his audiences or being in the front row for photos at European summits, or feuds with the press, that we find ourselves in the situation we are presently in.
 
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Perhaps it’s because the last guy was worried about things like boats or Rosie O’Donnell or the size of his audiences or being in the front row for photos at European summits, or feuds with the press that we find ourselves in the situation we are presently in.
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Perhaps it’s because the last guy was worried about things like boats or Rosie O’Donnell or the size of his audiences or being in the front row for photos at European summits, or feuds with the press that we find ourselves in the situation we are presently in.
We all remember Helsinki, where Trump sided with Vlad over our own US intelligence agencies.

It's likely a major reason for Ukraine, today.
 
Weak people do love echo chambers.



Having the realization that people with children, who post on here all day everyday, are losers of a proportion I had never considered wasn't the "breakdown" or "empathy" you thought then or now, it was a observation.

All you are is that guy sitting at the end of the bar alone and complaining about everything while everyone laughs at you. I can’t imagine being around you all the time, hopefully you don’t have much influence on your kid or they’re going to need therapy.
 
I guess Coffland14 (Who is so totally a both sides guy), ih, former Navy man IMCC, Biggrey, Northern... must all be busy splitting their spleens in another thread.
Edit: I found it. Boy are they busy being oppressed today.
 
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He loves him some Captain bone spurs.
So much of the Trump Administration was a sad joke on America, but one of the funny bits was when WH doctor Ronny Jackson was asked how Trump's bone spurs were doing, and he couldn't even sputter out which foot suffered from the crushing pain of those bone spurs.
 
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Ooo how could I forget the constant pants pissing from the left that Trump was going to start WW3.... now that Biden has a super power talking about nukes.

Gate-keeping about discussing a former POTUS's time in office, a subject that literally has thousands of books on the subject and exponentially more essays and articles, and raising Russia to super-power status?

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So much of the Trump Administration was a sad joke on America, but one of the funny bits was when WH doctor Ronny Jackson was asked how Trump's bone spurs were doing, and he couldn't even sputter out which foot suffered from the crushing pain of those bone spurs.
The 236 lb fine specimen?!?!?
 
Vlad putin is opening talking about using Nukes and you are worried about a 80+ year old guy possibly doing something in 2 years.... let that sink in.
You didn't answer the question. Would you simply abandon Ukraine to Putin so he isn't "opening (sic) talking about using Nukes (sic)"? What else would you give Putin to ensure his silence on his nuclear capabilities?
 
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I want to make sure I'm understanding this, if I google a specific thing, you think I'll find something supporting it, no matter how valid. Are you familiar with conformation bias? As a counter question, how many deaths is Biden reaponsible for?

None. Of course there have been covid deaths since he's been president, but he's done everything he can to minimize it, including constantly encouraging people to get vaccinated. I realize you can't tell the difference between what trump didn't do and Biden has is not surprising.
 
You got to be ****ing kidding me here Rudy.



They blow through "yeah, Biden could have renegotiated and should have left people at Bagram AFB" with a giant "but trump". North Korea wasn't launching those missles as Trump tried to buddy up with them as the article suggest, they started when they knew we had a feckless leader.

They didn't use Bagram because of several entrances to the base making it impossible for security. Stop with your faux talking points.
 
A petulant, entitled child, representing the petulant, entitled childishness that embodies so much of the United States.
Dude, but gas was like 29 cents a gallon when he was President, so it was all good.
 
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None. Of course there have been covid deaths since he's been president, but he's done everything he can to minimize it, including constantly encouraging people to get vaccinated. I realize you can't tell the difference between what trump didn't do and Biden has is not surprising.
Yes he’s done all he can to kill healthy young people with a leaky vaccine.
 
It’s one of those Trump controversies that you might have somehow forgotten, due to the volume of such flaps.
The Wall Street Journal reported in May 2019 that the military had worked to obscure the USS John S. McCain ahead of President Donald Trump’s visit to a neighboring ship in Japan. It was a decision that apparently stemmed from Trump’s feuds with the decorated war hero and late senator, who was added as a namesake for the ship initially named for his father and grandfather. But the senator had died just nine months prior, rendering the effort particularly bizarre.


Trump initially seemed to confirm that someone had tried to keep the ship out of sight, while emphasizing that he didn’t request it. But then he called the reporting into question, citing a statement from the Navy and suggesting that the report was “an exaggeration, or even Fake News.”







It was not fake news, as a batch of newly released emails reinforces and details.
The emails, obtained by Bloomberg News reporter Jason Leopold and by the Wall Street Journal through Freedom of Information Act requests, fill out the story of military officials responding to a request from the White House Military Office. Among the discoveries:
  • They show military officials saying repeatedly that this was a White House request, but also that officials didn’t want to put it in writing.
  • At one point, a military official was apparently so taken aback by the request that the person asked that it be confirmed. “I could see that becoming a Tweet,” the official added.
  • Another military official responded the next morning by saying, “This just makes me sad.”
While there were calls for investigations at the time, including by then-acting defense secretary Patrick Shanahan and McCain’s successor in the Senate, Martha McSally (R-Ariz.), we’ve learned very little since then. And while it might not rank too high on the list of Trump-era controversies, it’s at the very least hugely emblematic of officials’ often-strange attempts to treat Trump with kid gloves, for fear of angering him.

The released emails stretch back to more than a month before Trump’s late-May 2019 visit. And while they redact virtually everything said by White House officials, the context makes clear that the request to hide the USS McCain did come from the White House.






On April 12, the director of the White House Military Office, Rear Adm. Keith Davids, replies to an email from Rear Adm. Ted LeClair, the deputy commander of the U.S. 7th Fleet, which is headquartered in Japan. The contents of the email are almost entirely redacted.
On April 22, the director of operations for the White House Military Office forwards another email (also almost completely redacted) to 7th Fleet officials.

On April 24, the chief of staff for the 7th Fleet replies, looping in five White House Military Office (WHMO) addresses and a public affairs officer. “Clay — get this worked ASAP with Charlie Brown at [U.S. Pacific Fleet] and see what you can provide,” the email says.
On May 15 comes the first unredacted reference to obscuring the USS John S. McCain. An official in the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command writes to fellow military officials, “Please see below for excerpt from discussions between WHMO and” the 7th Fleet. Among three directions listed: “3. USS John McCain needs to be out of sight.” It instructs recipients to “please confirm #3 will be satisfied.”






One recipient forwards the email, pasting only the text of that directive. In another email, potentially from the same official, the instructions are forwarded with the comments:


One of the recipients replies by saying, “This just makes me sad…”
Further emails reference the White House requesting that the ship be obscured. A May 24 email from the 7th Fleet chief of staff cites “the WH request to keep the name not visible” and “that JSM be ‘kept out of sight.’ ”
“We asked for a formal order but non [sic] was forthcoming,” the email states.
The same day, another official runs through the situation, saying, “This direction was passed to” someone in the White House Military Office, “who in turn provided this guidance to” the 7th Fleet. The email also cites a Davids email to LeClair — potentially the April 12 email above — “emphasizing the importance of making sure this happens.”







And for the first time, it references a Navy official who “took additional steps by hanging the … brow banner,” while emphasizing this was “NOT directed” by the 7th Fleet.

While the “brow banner” reference isn’t clear, the Wall Street Journal published a photo of what it called a “tarp” covering the ship’s name. The photo was taken the same day as the email — May 24.
Later on May 24, the 7th Fleet commander, Vice Adm. Phillip G. Sawyer, emails the Pacific Fleet commander, Adm. John C. Aquilino, and again cites the request as coming from the White House Military Office. He says that the “banner” and “paint scaffolding” were used to “ensure JSM name was not visible” from the USS Wasp, the ship on which Trump would appear:


(The “weekend” reference appears to cite another detail reported by the Journal: That “sailors on the ship, who typically wear caps bearing its name, were given the day off during Mr. Trump’s visit.”)






Sawyer recommended “no further actions” and added that “this includes ‘undoing’ anything that has been done (brow banner, paint scaffolding).”
Further emails from May 25 feature military officials trying to account for those actions and again noting that other military officials resisted putting instructions in writing.
The tarp was taken down that day, the Navy confirmed. The Journal reported that a barge later blocked the name but was also moved.

After the controversy exploded, the Navy issued a statement noting that the name of the ship was not obscured during Trump’s visit — but without acknowledging that it had been previously, and deliberately so. Trump seized upon this, tweeting: “The Navy put out a disclaimer on the McCain story. Looks like the story was an exaggeration, or even Fake News — but why not, everything else is!”
Yet again, the fake news was instead coming from inside the Oval Office.


So Alpha... 🙄
 
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We are two years into the next guy, inflation is at historic levels, the market has lost 20% this year, we are paying for a war on the other side of the world, we have unregulated immigration, gas prices are in the way back up, they changed the definition of the word "recession" and the pandemic Joe promised to get under wraps has now been passed to its going to do what it's going to do, we spent a shit ton of money on an infrastructure bill that I continue to ask when will that money make it to the ground (no answer) and the selling point of student loans being forgiven just got another bullshit asterisks.




The last guy was worried about a boat though.



Smh.


"If democrats are so smart how come they lose so.god damn always"



There is your ****ing answer.
Ah yes, the golden age of Trump, as long as you leave out the last year. Was able to cruise for a few years until the inevitable crisis arrived and the floor dropped out beneath them.

And nothing says MAGA more than morons like you who pretend the US lives in a bubble unaffected by the outside world.

I just thank goodness we have at least a semi-competent President/administration dealing with all the world-wide crises currently occurring rather than the complete clown show Trump disaster.
 
I notice you decided to make no attempt to answer. I don’t blame you, you can’t without losing your liberal card.
JFC. What is CRT? What is liberal? What is equity? Conservatives take things and impart such negativity and animus on them, they’re less words with simple meanings and more triggering emotional partisan flashpoints for further animus-building.

Here’s an article that reasonably summarizes this, but just tune into prime time Fox News. Whatever it is that the left is embracing, sometimes things to the general benefit of the masses (vs the select few), these talking heads will spin the meaning so fervently that the original meaning and purpose become unrecognizable.

 
JFC. What is CRT? What is liberal? What is equity? Conservatives take things and impart such negativity and animus on them, they’re less words with simple meanings and more triggering emotional partisan flashpoints for further animus-building.

Here’s an article that reasonably summarizes this, but just tune into prime time Fox News. Whatever it is that the left is embracing, sometimes things to the general benefit of the masses (vs the select few), these talking heads will spin the meaning so fervently that the original meaning and purpose become unrecognizable.

We really need to do the "crt" bullahit thing again?
 
Ah yes, the golden age of Trump, as long as you leave out the last year. Was able to cruise for a few years until the inevitable crisis arrived and the floor dropped out beneath them.

And nothing says MAGA more than morons like you who pretend the US lives in a bubble unaffected by the outside world.

I just thank goodness we have at least a semi-competent President/administration dealing with all the world-wide crises currently occurring rather than the complete clown show Trump disaster.
The United States does not operate in a bubble, as one of the world leaders and econimc leader the world economy does "go through the US" as they say. (I.e. the big ten championship goes through columbus"
 
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