New Jersey 2nd graders

[Big Hawk D-Port]

No, I am not being coy. LGBTQ children often need an adult to talk with about the confusing feelings they are having. The trusted adult can be a parent, close relative, a teacher, a coach, etc. I would hope every child's most trusted adult is their parent, but sometimes that's not the case.

A 5th grade math teacher should not presume to take on that kind of a role. That is a violation of the trust the parents and school district place in that teacher. Plus the idea that a middle school teacher is automatically qualified to handle that kind of situation is getting way out of their lane. A school school counselor? Yes. A seventh grade social studies teacher? That’s creepy.

Consider if the parent is actually totally welcoming and affirming, and some random activist basketball coach takes away the chance for that parent to be the one the child comes out to? I’d be livid.

A parent has the right to raise their kids in the manner they choose. Even though I think children should be taught The Sermon on the Mount, I don’t expect the public schools to do it, because I have some respect for people with different beliefs, and I acknowledge that we all have to share our public schools. If you want to tell your 5th grader that there are 50 genders, go ahead and do so in your own home, but have some respect for others that feel differently.

 

[gohawks50]

A 5th grade math teacher should not presume to take on that kind of a role. That is a violation of the trust the parents and school district place in that teacher. Plus the idea that a middle school teacher is automatically qualified to handle that kind of situation is getting way out of their lane. A school school counselor? Yes. A seventh grade social studies teacher? That’s creepy.

Consider if the parent is actually totally welcoming and affirming, and some random activist basketball coach takes away the chance for that parent to be the one the child comes out to? I’d be livid.

A parent has the right to raise their kids in the manner they choose. Even though I think children should be taught The Sermon on the Mount, I don’t expect the public schools to do it, because I have some respect for people with different beliefs, and I acknowledge that we all have to share our public schools. If you want to tell your 5th grader that there are 50 genders, go ahead and do so in your own home, but have some respect for others that feel differently.

I don't think the intent of Identify at least one trusted adult in their lives they can go to with questions about gender is for that trusted person to be a teacher or coach. It's just having the students think about who they would feel comfortable talking to if they are struggling with something.

As I've said before, I used to teach kindergarten. We often taught kids about stranger danger and helpers. We taught the kids that if a stranger was bothering them to ask for help from a helper. Those helpers could be a family member, a neighbor, a policeman, a teacher, etc. The idea of a trusted adult is no different from the idea of helpers.

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

I don't think the intent of Identify at least one trusted adult in their lives they can go to with questions about gender is for that trusted person to be a teacher or coach. It's just having the students think about who they would feel comfortable talking to if they are struggling with something.

You are not being honest here. You know exactly how this would go. “If you can’t talk to your parents about how you feel, you always have a friend in me,” says the purple haired English teacher, who is waaay cooler than my Mom and Dad. Of course kids don’t want to talk about that with their parents.

Teachers mostly want to help. I understand that. But they are not trained counselors and they do not have license to impart their opinions on controversial topics like this on malleable kids. It’s a violation of trust.

 

[gohawks50]

You are not being honest here. You know exactly how this would go. “If you can’t talk to your parents about how you feel, you always have a friend in me,” says the purple haired English teacher, who is waaay cooler than my Mom and Dad. Of course kids don’t want to talk about that with their parents.

Teachers mostly want to help. I understand that. But they are not trained counselors and they do not have license to impart their opinions on controversial topics like this on malleable kids. It’s a violation of trust.

Most teachers know their limitations and would do their best to get the child in contact with people who do have the expertise to counsel them. They would also encourage them to talk to their parents. Teachers are often parents too and they understand the importance of parents knowing when their child is struggling. Give us the benefit of the doubt most of us do this job because we love kids (not in the creepy way).

 

[BioHawk]

I got crapped on when I stated how stupid I thought the “Don’t Say Gay” bill is by the usual suspects on the right, but I suppose that shows my depth of investigation and critical thinking. 🙄

No, I do not believe sexual orientation and gender identity issues should be a part of the curriculum for 2nd graders. And yes, I believe anyone who thinks it should be discussed with seven and eight-year olds is nuttier than squirrel turds. Sorry, not sorry.

Sexual orientation and gender identity isn't what is being taught though. That's the point.

 

[BioHawk]

Do I think teachers should teach 11 year olds that boys can be girls and girls can be boys? No, that is insane.

Also how about this nugget from the 5th grade lesson?
4.Identify at least one trusted adult in their lives they can go to with questions about gender.

“Hey Siri what is a groomer?”

Well, 11 year olds are already very aware of those things. Your argument is on about the same level as the idea that kids won't discover drugs unless you start talking about them when they are in 1st grade. The idea that the discussion is what introduces kids to these things and not just having friends is naive at best. They are going to find out about it one way or another.

 

[abby97]

I have third graders telling other kids their bi-sexual, and yes, they know what it means and another third grader wants to be gender neutral.

They have no idea what it means, and if they do, their parents and/or teachers should be prosecuted.

 

[Tom Paris]

They have no idea what it means, and if they do, their parents and/or teachers should be prosecuted.

How sheltered were you?

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

Well, 11 year olds are already very aware of those things. Your argument is on about the same level as the idea that kids won't discover drugs unless you start talking about them when they are in 1st grade. The idea that the discussion is what introduces kids to these things and not just having friends is naive at best. They are going to find out about it one way or another.

This is an awful argument.

 

[ihhawk]

First grade teacher

 

[BioHawk]

This is an awful argument.

Well, if you say so. Pretending gay people don't exist isn't going to have the results you seem to wish it would though.

 

[NCHawk5]

First grade teacher

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Gross

 

[NCHawk5]

Well, if you say so. Pretending gay people don't exist isn't going to have the results you seem to wish it would though.

Idk it worked out pretty well for a long time 🤷‍♂️

 

[gohawks50]

First grade teacher

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Guess what, Brooke School is another charter school.

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

Well, if you say so. Pretending gay people don't exist isn't going to have the results you seem to wish it would though.

We are talking about trans by the way. They are different.

 

[BioHawk]

We are talking about trans by the way. They are different.

My point doesn't change.

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

My point doesn't change.

Of course people exist with gender dysphoria. There are also people that suffer from anorexia. We should have compassion for both, but neither are recommended lifestyles for teenagers.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Should be a fun time

New Jersey to require 2nd graders learn about gender identity in fall, alarming parents

The New Jersey Department of Education is pushing for a more robust sex education curriculum that teaches gender theory to kids just leaving kindergarten.

www.foxnews.com

Democrats are really going to die on this hill that about 20% percent of American support at most?

Fire them all.

Maybe you need to rename your thread title. The Don’t Say Gay haters are awfully light in here considering the stink they raised in last week’s thread.

Between this and their deliberate indifference to the southern border, it's almost as if they're trying to get trounced in the mid terms.

I briefly perused the 66 page NJ education standards.

General takeaway: If you are raising your boy like a boy or girl like a girl, rest assured NJ is here to tell your child you're doing it wrong!

^ Note: These are the same losers that can only offer “thoughts and prayers” after school shootings. They’d rather hundreds of kids die of gun violence each year and do nothing to control guns, but third graders learning it’s also okay to like things associated with the other gender is just a bridge too far!

 

[tarheelbybirth]

A parent has the right to raise their kids in the manner they choose. Even though I think children should be taught The Sermon on the Mount, I don’t expect the public schools to do it, because I have some respect for people with different beliefs, and I acknowledge that we all have to share our public schools. If you want to tell your 5th grader that there are 50 genders, go ahead and do so in your own home, but have some respect for others that feel differently.

LOL...so how about...say...evolution? Should THAT be taught in public schools shared with children of parents that believe we were formed from dirt 6,000 years ago? Just so you know, many parents would be absolutely mortified with what their kids share about their home lives.

 

[gohawks50]

Just so you know, many parents would be absolutely mortified with what their kids share about their home lives.

No doubt!

 

[Tom Paris]

First grade teacher

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IF this is actually real, that is not the topic he should have gone with there. No. Just no.

 

[Tom Paris]

^ Note: These are the same losers that can only offer “thoughts and prayers” after school shootings. They’d rather hundreds of kids die of gun violence each year and do nothing to control guns, but third graders learning it’s also okay to like things associated with the other gender is just a bridge too far!

Nailed it. They pick and choose their outrage based on what rightwing media tells them. Guns kill more kids than learning about LGBTQ. By a LOT.

 

[Jan Itor]

^ Note: These are the same losers that can only offer “thoughts and prayers” after school shootings. They’d rather hundreds of kids die of gun violence each year and do nothing to control guns, but third graders learning it’s also okay to like things associated with the other gender is just a bridge too far!

What have you done to help solve gun violence towards kids or anyone else, other than spot off on an anonymous message board.

 

[Tom Paris]

LOL...so how about...say...evolution? Should THAT be taught in public schools shared with children of parents that believe we were formed from dirt 6,000 years ago? Just so you know, many parents would be absolutely mortified with what their kids share about their home lives.

I can attest to this. I was talking to 5th graders about the dangers of drugs. One kid said, "My parents did heroin." Same kid told me last week his dad got arrested for drugs, again.

 

[gohawks50]

IF this is actually real, that is not the topic he should have gone with there. No. Just no.

I think it's real, but the school is a charter school. Parents choose to send their children there. Charter schools aren't required to follow the curriculum of regular public schools.

Brooke's Commitment to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion​

We believe in the power of diversity and inclusion, including, but not limited to, race, ethnicity, culture, religion, language, socioeconomic status, citizenship, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, age, and physical abilities. We believe that diverse working teams make better decisions that strengthen our Brooke community. We want our students and staff to be people who seek to understand the perspectives of others and who constantly seek to walk in the shoes of others across lines of difference.

With 93% of Brooke students identifying as Black or Latinx, we prioritize uprooting racism through academics, equipping our students with tools to advocate for a diverse, equitable, and inclusive future. By equipping a racially diverse staff to set high expectations for our students and deliver culturally competent instruction, we aim to counteract the pervasive presence of societal racism that our students encounter as a condition of their daily lives.
We believe great teachers of color have a unique contribution to make in the ways they serve students, uphold a culture of achievement, and build strong staff culture. It is important for our scholars to have a diverse staff because they need to see people who look like them as successful professionals who share some of their lived experiences. We are committed to sharing the responsibility of fostering an anti-racist culture where all staff members are empowered to boldly share their lived experiences and perspectives.

Using our organizational values as a foundation, we seek to build an organizational culture where our efforts in building a diverse, equitable, and inclusive community are all recognized and valued.

 

[Tom Paris]

I think it's real, but the school is a charter school. Parents choose to send their children there. Charter schools aren't required to follow the curriculum of regular public schools.

Brooke's Commitment to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion​

We believe in the power of diversity and inclusion, including, but not limited to, race, ethnicity, culture, religion, language, socioeconomic status, citizenship, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, age, and physical abilities. We believe that diverse working teams make better decisions that strengthen our Brooke community. We want our students and staff to be people who seek to understand the perspectives of others and who constantly seek to walk in the shoes of others across lines of difference.

With 93% of Brooke students identifying as Black or Latinx, we prioritize uprooting racism through academics, equipping our students with tools to advocate for a diverse, equitable, and inclusive future. By equipping a racially diverse staff to set high expectations for our students and deliver culturally competent instruction, we aim to counteract the pervasive presence of societal racism that our students encounter as a condition of their daily lives.
We believe great teachers of color have a unique contribution to make in the ways they serve students, uphold a culture of achievement, and build strong staff culture. It is important for our scholars to have a diverse staff because they need to see people who look like them as successful professionals who share some of their lived experiences. We are committed to sharing the responsibility of fostering an anti-racist culture where all staff members are empowered to boldly share their lived experiences and perspectives.

Using our organizational values as a foundation, we seek to build an organizational culture where our efforts in building a diverse, equitable, and inclusive community are all recognized and valued.

So kind of misleading...NOT a public school as I think some want us to believe. Yay charter schools!

 

[NCHawk5]

So kind of misleading...NOT a public school as I think some want us to believe. Yay charter schools!

Charter schools are big down here. They seem a little hippieish imo.

 

[gohawks50]

So kind of misleading...NOT a public school as I think some want us to believe. Yay charter schools!

Technically they are public schools.

A charter school is a tuition-free school of choice that is publicly funded but independently run. Conceived over 25 years ago in Minnesota as a means to loosen red tape around public schools and free up educators to innovate, charters have since grown into a national movement that spans 44 states plus the District of Columbia, and includes around 7,000 schools and 3 million students, according to federal figures.

In exchange for exemptions from many of the state laws and regulations that govern traditional public schools, charters are bound to the terms of a contract, or “charter,” that lays out a school’s mission, academic goals, fiscal guidelines, and accountability requirements.

What Are Charter Schools?

This Education Week explainer answers frequently asked questions about charter schools.

www.edweek.org

 

[FAUlty Gator]

First grade teacher

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"When babies are born the dr looks & makes a guess on whether the baby is a boy or girl."

So much for "leaving it for the experts", eh, @Urohawk ?

 

[Jan Itor]

What have you done to help solve gun violence towards kids or anyone else, other than spot off on an anonymous message board.

I’m serious @Menace Sockeyes what have you done to help solve the gun violence?

I voted for Biden. I voted for Sen. Mark Kelly here in Arizona. Arizona allows people to open and conceal carry without a permit. And the number of deaths from shootings is ridiculous here. That pisses me off, so my response was to vote for the Democrats in the State House and Senate.

As for the thoughts and prayers, you’ll rarely see that from me on here. It means so little. When I see shootings such as the one in Connecticut, my hearty breaks, and I can only imagine the fear those poor kids went through. And I can only imagine what the parents/families of those kids were feeling and went through. No Ts and Ps post on HROT is going to do a damn thing.

As for the subject of this thread, I also don’t believe kids at a young age should be taught sex education in school whether it be what it was in the 70s or today. Middle school seems more appropriate.

 

[Flie]

I followed the links in your articles to the actual standards and lesson plan because I was interested in what NJ was expecting kids to learn by the end of 2nd grade. I didn't find the horrible indoctrination Fox and other conservative sites are claiming. The way I read the standards and the lesson plan, I think the intent is for kids to talk about the expectations for girls and boys. (i.e. pink is for girls, trucks are for boys, etc.) I see their goal as making kids aware that even though they are a girl they can like "boy" things and activities, and the reverse for boys. I don't see any mention of the idea of choosing your gender, instead they are teaching that your gender shouldn't stop you from enjoying things that are often associated with the opposite gender. I included the links to the standards and the lesson plan mentioned in the articles. I would appreciate others showing me where NJ is pushing the idea that 2nd graders can choose whether to be a boy or girl.

https://www.nj.gov/education/standards/chp/Docs/2020NJSLS-CHPE_GradeBand_K-2.pdf

Dropbox

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You have to apply the con narrative to it. Then you will be outraged.

 

[tumorboy]

I think 6th grade is probably the starting point.

Think in small town Iowa it was the 6th grade in the 80's. Society bombards us with sex now more than ever. I had to hunt for porn and sneak skinamax time. Now everything is a click or two away. Probably should be starting a bit earlier. How much not a damn clue.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I'm telling you, the focus the left is putting on teaching children about sex is ****ing weird.

 

[tumorboy]

You are not being honest here. You know exactly how this would go. “If you can’t talk to your parents about how you feel, you always have a friend in me,” says the purple haired English teacher, who is waaay cooler than my Mom and Dad. Of course kids don’t want to talk about that with their parents.

Teachers mostly want to help. I understand that. But they are not trained counselors and they do not have license to impart their opinions on controversial topics like this on malleable kids. It’s a violation of trust.

They can go talk to the local Catholic priest then.

 

[tumorboy]

I'm telling you, the focus the left is putting on teaching children about sex is ****ing weird.

No kidding leave the grooming to the creepy uncle and/or cousin

 

[Flie]

I'm telling you, the focus the left is putting on teaching children about sex is ****ing weird.

Is the right focusing on blocking all sexual discussions in class? The bill only said sexual orientation and gender identity so sex talk is not off the table. Seems odd that they would leave sexual talk open to being taught.

 

[Flie]

As for the subject of this thread, I also don’t believe kids at a young age should be taught sex education in school whether it be what it was in the 70s or today. Middle school seems more appropriate.

Maybe they should introduce a bill that bans sex education in grades K-3 at least. So far they are only banning talk of sexual orientation and gender identity. I guess sex talk is ok with them.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Who knew this kid was an idiot.

 

[alaskanseminole]

How sheltered were you?

Sheltered? Really? You're going to tell me that at age 8 you were focused on your sexual identity? Hell, my son (age 8) is focused on Poke'mon, soccer, and throwing fits when I tell him its time to take out the trash. Now, he does like to tell me my farts stink and thinks it's hilarious when another kiddo lets a fart out at the Dojo when it's otherwise dead silent. I have yet to have him mention nailing the boy or girl on the school bus.

 

[gohawks50]

I'm telling you, the focus the left is putting on teaching children about sex is ****ing weird.

The left is responding to outrage from the right. Please point out any legislation being pushed by the left in the last 5 years regarding sex. Hundreds of state bills affecting lgbtq issues have been proposed by the right this year alone.